Nov 16, 2020 Public Safety Committee

WE'RE PARKING, ISN'T ENFORCED.

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I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY MEAN, BUT I, EVERYBODY GOOD AFTERNOON.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE.

SO, UM, MUNICIPAL COURT, WE RECEIVED A FEW PARKING CITATIONS THAT WERE GIVEN WHILE PEOPLE WERE EITHER WAITING IN THE LONG LINES TO EARLY VOTE OR THEY PARKED IN AREAS THAT WEREN'T DESIGNATED FOR PARKING BECAUSE ALL OF THE SPOTS AT A POLLING PLACE WERE FULL, WHICH IS VERY EXCITING TO HEAR THAT, UM, WE'VE GOTTEN A HANDFUL OF THESE AND WE EXPECT A FEW MORE, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE UNPRECEDENTED AMOUNT OF VOTING, UM, AND THINKING ABOUT IT.

WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANY POTENTIAL DISCOURAGEMENT OR BARRIERS TO VOTING, HOWEVER, SMALL THAT MIGHT BE.

SO THE CITY PROSECUTORS HAVE GRACIOUSLY AGREED TO REVIEW ALL OF THESE AND DETERMINE IF INTEREST OF JUSTICE, UH, DISMISSALS ARE APPROPRIATE, BUT THIS IS OUTSIDE THE REGULAR DUTY AND DOWN THE ROAD, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT FUTURE PROSECUTORS WOULD CHOOSE TO HANDLE IT THE SAME WAY.

SO I WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION.

SO YOU MIGHT DISCUSS THE WAYS OF CREATING FUTURE CONTINUITY.

UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS TO THROW OUT THERE FOR CONSIDERATION.

ONE IS AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ADD ALL OF THE ELECTION DAYS TO THE HOLIDAYS.

UM, OF COURSE THIS MIGHT REQUIRE STAKEHOLDER INPUT AND SOME ANALYSIS ON, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE, UM, COLLATERAL EFFECTS, UM, MAINLY BEING, NOT COLLECTING PARKING FOR THOSE DAYS.

THE MIGHT BE ADDING A CODE SIMILAR TO THE ONE FOR PEOPLE SUMMONED FOR JURY DUTY OR JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS.

AND THAT WOULD DIRECT OUR PARKING HEARINGS, UM, ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO DISMISS THE CITATIONS, UH, RESULTING FROM VOTING.

AND THIS IS GOING TO NECESSITATE SOME DETERMINATION OF LIKE THE MECHANISMS AND THE CRITERIA, HOW AND WHERE SOMEONE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE.

SO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS THE APPROPRIATE ENTITY, UM, TO RESEARCH AND DEVELOP POTENTIAL ORDINANCES.

UM, BUT OF COURSE, MUNICIPAL COURT, WE WILL PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION AND ASSISTANCE.

WE CAN BOTH TO YOU AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHICH TIME.

AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS ISSUE TO THE ATTENTION OF THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMITTEE TODAY.

UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT US PROCEEDING DOWN THAT ROAD.

ANY QUESTIONS? UH, YES.

MEMBERS NEVER PROTECH.

I WAS CURIOUS.

AND I'M ASSUMING IT'S LIKE A COMBINATION, BUT YOU SAID IT WAS BOTH, WAS IT BOTH LIKE YOUR METER FIRING BECAUSE YOU WERE IN LINE LONGER THAN YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE, BUT THEN ALSO, UM, I JUST REMEMBER TRYING TO GO TO DITMAR REC CENTER AND THERE WAS NOWHERE TO PARK AND SO WE TURNED AROUND AND LEFT AND, AND THERE WERE CARS LIKE PARKING ON, UM, JUST DUMPING THE CURB AND PARKING.

AND SO I'M ASSUMING IT'S A COMBINATION OF THAT KIND OF A TICKET, WHICH I GUESS WOULD BE AN APD TICKET VERSUS THE METER, THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENTS.

IS THAT WHAT Y'ALL ARE SEEING? WHAT WE GET ARE THE, WHAT WE GOT WERE THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.

SO PARKING IN A SPACE LIKE A, UM, FIRE LANE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WAS NOT DESIGNATED FOR PARKING.

UM, BUT WE ALSO GOT THE ONES WHERE THE METER HAD EXPIRED BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE IN LINE.

THE PARKING WHERE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PARK ONE, IS THAT RIGHT? SO ONE OF THE OPTIONS IS MAKE ELECTION DAY, LIKE A HOLIDAY WHERE THERE'S NOT A COST FOR PARKING.

SO, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION YOU MADE ABOUT, UM, AN ORDINANCE AND MAYBE BACK FREE PARKING WOULD COVER, BUT IT COVERED JUST THE METER ONES AND NOT

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THE OTHER WOULD BE TO SET OUT SOME CRITERIA, LIKE IF SOMEBODY WAS PARKING, THERE WAS NOT ANYTHING THAT WAS CONVENIENTLY AVAILABLE AND WHERE ARE THEY CREATING A HAZARD, HOW THEY PARK, IF NOT, UM, THEN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DISMISSIBLE.

AND SO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WOULD HAVE TO KIND OF TALK TO STAKEHOLDERS AND PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICER COME UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE AND SPECIFICS ON THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT.

THANKS CHAIR.

I DON'T, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S POSTED FOR ACTION, BUT I GUESS YOU COULD JUST, WE COULD JUST SAY, OR SOMEONE CAN DO AN IFC FOR DIRECTING A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS THAT COME UP WITH, UM, THAT ANALYSIS AND A SOLUTION, BUT I OF COURSE WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE.

THANKS VERY MUCH INTERESTING.

AND SOME GOOD ALTERNATIVES.

I KNOW WE HAVE A CONSTITUENT CONTACT OUR OFFICE ON ONE OF THE EARLY ONE OF THE DAYS OF EARLY VOTING EXPLAINING JUST THIS VERY SITUATION.

I THINK IN THAT CONSTITUENTS CASE, UM, HE HAD BEEN IN A METER EXPIRED.

AND SO AT THAT POINT WE CONTACTED, UM, THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT AND THEY, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO LOOP THEM INTO THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME WAYS THAT THEY PREFERRED TO HANDLE IT.

AND, UM, AND SO I THINK THAT I SAW THAT THERE'S A MOBILITY MEETING COMING UP.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S TOO LATE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AT THAT POINT AS WELL.

BUT, UM, THEY HAD SUGGESTED TO US THAT ON ELECTION DAY THEY WOULD BE NO TICKETING.

AND SO I HOPE THAT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED, UM, THAT THERE WASN'T TICKETING ON ELECTION DAY, BUT THAT AS I UNDERSTOOD THE CONVERSATION, UM, THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ABILITY TO KIND OF DISMISS SOME OF THOSE TICKETS THAT HAD HAPPENED BECAUSE OF METER EXPIRED AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, IF SOMEBODY'S EARLY VOTING.

SO THANKS FOR WORKING, THANKS FOR WORKING ON HANDLING THOSE CASES SO THAT THOSE AREN'T TICKETED.

UM, BUT THEN IN TERMS OF KIND OF WHAT THE PERMANENT FIX IS, I WOULD SUGGEST WE WORK WITH TRANS, WE LOOP AS YOU SUGGESTED THAT WE LOOP THOSE STAKEHOLDERS IN AND THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE, UM, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT KIND OF A WIDESPREAD POLICY FOR THE WEEKS OF EARLY VOTING.

UH, JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE AREAS THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THAT.

THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE ONES IN WHICH PEOPLE ARE, ARE ACTUALLY EARLY VOTING COMMENTS, REMEMBER KITCHEN.

UM, UH, YES, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERY ONE WANTS TO DO, THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

IT'S IT'S WE DON'T HAVE, WE CAN'T PUT IT ON THIS THURSDAY.

THURSDAY'S AGENDA WOULD HAVE TO BE A FUTURE ONE, BUT REGARDLESS OF THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE, I DO AGREE.

IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO TALK WITH ATP ABOUT, RIGHT.

IF YOU THINK A CASTLE MEMBER, I WOULD SUGGEST, UM, THAT, UH, SHOULD THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN IFC, CERTAINLY DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO COME BACK WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO RESEARCH WITHIN QSF PROPERLY TO INCLUDE BOTH AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS THE MODEL DEPARTMENT.

DO YOU THINK THAT I'VE SEEN AS NECESSARY? AND THIS IS LITERALLY AN ITEM FROM STAFF COMING FROM JUDGE STATMAN.

I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IF THE CITY MANAGER TO SEE HOW WE MIGHT WANT TO HANDLE IT.

THEN I KNOW A MAYOR PART-TIME YOU AND I HAD BEEN WORKING ON THIS, BRING YOU TO THE AGENDA TODAY.

IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO HELP US GO WALK OR A QUICK IFC AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, I THINK WE CAN KIND OF GET SOMETHING QUICK AND DIRTY AND LET THE STAFF GET THAT COORDINATED ACROSS DEPARTMENTS, CUSTOMER, PROPER MEDICINE.

AS ME THROWING MY HAT IN THE RING, I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE COAUTHOR.

AND THEN I REALLY WANTED TO TELL A JUDGE STATMAN I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION THERE AT THE END, AS LONG AS THEY WERE NOT PRESENTING A HAZARD, BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT AS PEOPLE PARKING IN FIRE LANES AND OTHER AREAS WHERE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, UM, IMPEDING ON PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO USE SIDEWALKS AND SUCH.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION, BUT I'M ABSOLUTELY HAPPY TO SUPPORT EXCELLENT TOUCH TIME.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.

JOINING THE COMMITTEE MEETING TODAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, EVERYBODY STAY WELL.

[3. Briefing and discussion on data analysis of 2019 Austin Police Department traffic stops prepared by the Office of Police Oversight, Office of Innovation, and Equity Office, and on Office of Performance Management dashboard to track the goal of zero disparities in traffic stops in response to Resolution No. 20200611-050. ]

WE ARE READY TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.

I'M GOING TO BRING IN, UH, SOME OF OUR FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTING CHIEF MANLEY AS WELL.

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OKAY, MS. ALLAVARA.

SO ARE YOU THERE? I KNOW IT TAKES A SECOND FOR THE CAMERAS TO TURN ON AND EVERYTHING.

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.

I'M KEVIN LAVARUS AND THE CHIEF PERFORMANCE OFFICER.

UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY.

I'LL BE KICKING OFF, UM, THE, THE VERY FREE GETTING PART, UM, ITEM THREE.

UM, MY PART IS VERY BRIEF AND THE REMAINING, UH, THAT WILL BE HANDLED BY, UH, SARAH AND BRIAN CAREY.

UM, BECAUSE THE MAIN FOCUS WILL BE ON THE LIST OF THE 2019 REPORT.

THANK YOU FOR CALLING OUT THAT PRESENTATION.

SO IF YOU'RE ABLE TO, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE DEFINING TAKE CONTROL I'M I'M, UH, I'M IN CHARGE, SO, OKAY.

IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO THE REASON I'M HERE TODAY IS TO TALK ABOUT HOW ALL OF THIS RELATES TO STRATEGIC DIRECTIONS, HOLDING TWENTIES, UM, AND AS YOU, AND IF YOU ACTUALLY GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, AS YOU WILL RECALL, UM, BACK IN JUNE, THERE WAS RESOLUTION NUMBER 50, AND THAT INCLUDED, UM, VARIOUS, UH, DIRECT PIECES OF DIRECTION RELATED TO, UH, MEASURES.

UM, MORE SPECIFICALLY ESTABLISHES YOUR RACIAL DISPARITY GOALS WITHIN THE SAFETY OUTCOME.

AND THEN IN PARTICULAR RELATED TO DATE RELATED TO THE MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS, UM, CITATIONS AND ARRESTS RESULTING FROM THOSE STOPS AND THEN USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS.

UM, IT ALSO INCLUDED DIRECTION FOR STAFF TO USE THE JOINT ANALYSIS ON APD RACIAL PROFILING DATA TO SERVE AS THE MEASUREMENT FOR A VERY SPECIFIC MEASURE RELATED TO A MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS WITHIN STRATEGIC 2023, UM, AS WELL AS USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS AND OFFICER INVOLVED DEATHS.

SO WHAT WAS OUR PROCESS TO ADDRESS THAT THOSE PIECES OF THE RESOLUTION SPECIFICALLY? UM, FIRST WE ASSEMBLED LEADERSHIP, UM, AS WELL AS SUPPORTING STAFF FROM OPPOSITE POLICE OVERSIGHT, EQUITY INNOVATION TO HIS DEPARTMENT.

AND, UM, AND THEN MY TEAM AS WELL TO COLLABORATE ON THE DASHBOARD CONTENT AND THE VISUALIZATIONS THAT WE WOULD BE INCLUDING FOR THE SAFETY OUTCOME MEASURES, UM, FOR EACH OF THE MEASURES OR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THEM.

WE TYPICALLY HAD A VERY SPECIFIC TEMPLATE FOR EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS TO USE, SO THAT THERE'S SOME CONSISTENCY IN THE CONTENT AND THE LAYOUT FOR EACH OF THOSE MEASURES.

SO WE GENERALLY UTILIZE THAT TEMPLATE IN THIS CASE, BUT WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, THIS MEASURE HAD SOME SPECIAL OR UNIQUE ASPECTS TO IT THAT WE NEEDED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

UM, SO WE DID MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENT ADJUSTMENTS TO, TO MEET, MEET THOSE NEEDS.

WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE INCORPORATING, UH, KEY INFORMATION FROM THE RE-IMAGINING PUBLIC SAFETY WEBSITES, UM, VARYING THE VARIOUS COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS AND THE, UH, RACIAL PROFILE REPORTS IN THIS, IN THE MEASURE OF CONTEXT.

SO WHEN YOU GO AND YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL MEASURE OF THE DASHBOARD, YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, UM, VARIOUS MEASURE BACKGROUNDS, UM, POINTS, UM, AND THEN YOU'RE ABLE TO REALLY, UM, OF THE, UM, OF EACH OF THE OUTCOMES FOR THE MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IT RESULTS IN A CITATION OR WARNING OR ARREST, UM, BUT THEN ALSO ACCESS THE RAW DATA AND DIG INTO THAT FURTHER.

UM, SO IN TERMS OF WHAT, UM, REFLECTION TO SEE ON THE TOP OF THE SLIDE IS A SMALL SCREENSHOT OF THE MEASURE THAT EXISTS ON THE DASHBOARD, UM, THAT WENT LIVE TODAY FOR THIS MEASURE.

UM, FOR THE NEXT STEPS, WE WILL BE INCORPORATING THE RESULTS OF THE 2019 JOINT ANALYSIS REPORT, UM, WHICH INVOLVES NOT ONLY CONTENT, BUT ALSO MAKING SURE WE'RE UPDATING THE VARIOUS VISUALIZATIONS BECAUSE 2018 WAS USED AS THAT BASE, UM, BASE DATA FOR THE, FOR THE MEASURE.

UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN TERMS OF TRENDING ANALYSIS, BUT NOW THAT THE 2019 REPORT IS BEING RELEASED, WE'LL BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE, UM, VISUALIZATIONS THAT DEMONSTRATE THAT TRENDING AS WELL AS ANALYSIS AND CONTENT, UH, AROUND CONTEXT AROUND EACH OF THOSE VISUALIZATIONS ACCORDINGLY.

UM, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO USE OUR EXPERIENCE FROM BUILDING OUT THIS MEASURE, UM, TOGETHER AS A KIND OF A BASELINE OR A FOUNDATION FOR HOW WE CAN MAKE UPDATES AND THEN APPROACH THE DEVELOPMENT OF OTHER RELATED MEASURES.

UH, SO FOR EXAMPLE, PREVIOUSLY,

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UM, THE MEASURES ABOUT USE OF FORCE AND PROPORTION TO NUMBER OF ARRESTS HAVE, WAS ALL DIRTY DEVELOPED AS WELL AS CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS, PROPERTY AND SOCIETY.

UM, SO WE CAN GO BACK AND TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THOSE AND SEE WHAT CAN WE DO TO IMPROVE THOSE IN THE SAME SPIRIT AS WHAT WAS SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED FOR THIS MEASURE WITHIN RESOLUTION 50.

UM, WE ALSO NEED TO WORK ON THE SILENT COMPONENT OF MEASURE FC ONE, WHICH IS THE OVERALL REST COMPARED TO RACE.

SO WE STILL HAVE SOME WORK TO DO, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'D BE TO BRING TO YOU ALL TODAY, UM, WHERE WE HAVE THIS, UH, THIS MEASURE LINE FOR FOLKS TO LOOK AT.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT YOU MAY HAVE BEEN SENT A SERIES OF LINKS.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT MADE IT TO YOUR MOM'S BEAUTIFUL.

RACIAL OR ETHNIC GROUP AT A PARTICULAR DECISION POINT OR EXPERIENCING AN EVENT, UH, COMPARED TO THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT GROUP IN THE POPULATION.

SO IN THE INTEREST OF MAKING, NOT HOPING THAT EVERYTHING LOADS QUICKLY AND CORRECTLY, UM, WE JUST HAVE AN OPEN UP ON THREE SEPARATE TABS.

SO THIS IS THE BASIC, THE HOMEPAGE PERFORMANCE TO AUSTIN, TEXAS.GOV, WHERE YOU ABLE TO SEE ALL OF THE MEASURES RESCUE 23.

AND IF YOU SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT, YOU'LL FIND WHERE YOU'RE ABLE TO CLICK ON THE SAFETY OUTCOME.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT TAB, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU CLICK ON THE SAFETY OUTCOME.

AND, UM, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN TO THE INDICATOR CATEGORY, D ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE, FAIR ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE, YOU'LL SEE IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER, IT LOOKS A LITTLE THAT THE SQUARE THAT HAS INFORMATION INSIGHTS FOR DISPROPORTIONALITY ANALYSIS, YOU'LL NOTICE IT DOES A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHERS.

AND THE REASON BEING, BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR PAGE IS ACTUALLY PULLING TOGETHER QUITE A BIT MORE INFORMATION THAN OUR TYPICAL MEASURES, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT BREAKDOWNS FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT OUTCOMES OF A MOTOR VEHICLE STOP.

UM, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO DISPLAY IT WITH THAT TARGET THE SAME WAY.

IF YOU WERE TO CLICK ON THAT, YOU WOULD OPEN UP WHAT YOU SEE ON THE FINAL TAB, AND YOU SEE WHERE WE HAVE, UM, ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE RATING, REIMAGINE PUBLIC SAFETY, THE ABILITY TO LINK IN, TO SEE THE RESOLUTION CONTENT, THE JOINT REPORTS.

AND THEN THERE, HERE, YOU SEE MEASURE CARDS THAT TELL YOU HOW MANY MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS RESULTS IN A CITATION OR MORE ON YOUR FIELD OBSERVATION OR AN ARREST.

AND IF YOU CONTINUE TO SCROLL DOWN, YOU'LL SEE WHERE WE HAVE THE ACTUAL, UM, JUST PROPORTIONALITY ANALYSIS WE'RE ABLE TO SEE BY RACE, UM, HOW THAT VARIES COMPARED TO ACTUAL POPULATION.

AND YOU SEE THAT WHEN YOU SPECIFICALLY NOTED THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION ABOUT THAT, THE GOAL OR THE TARGET FOR EACH OF THOSE, TO THE PROPORTIONALITY AND FOR EACH OF YOU.

AND YOU'RE ABLE TO DIG INTO THE RAW DATA, UH, AND, AND LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UM, EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL, UM, SITUATIONS THAT MAY HAVE TAKEN PLACE, UM, AND, UH, BUT REALLY HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO PUT THIS OUT HERE TO THE PUBLIC TODAY AND, UM, WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK THAT THE COMMITTEE OR COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE.

UM, AND SO IF YOU DO HAVE THOSE, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THOSE NOW OR HAVING TO PASS IT ON OVER TO FARAH AND THREE HAVE TO TAKE ON THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION.

FIRST ONE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UH, MAYOR ADLER AND CUSTOMER ALTAR HAVE JOINED THE MEETING.

UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING WITH US.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR TIM SPECIFICALLY ON THE SD 23 SITE AND THE METRICS.

UM, CARRIE IS AT FIRST.

UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR ADLER.

UH, MY NAME IS CARRIE O'CONNOR.

I'M THE CHIEF INNOVATION OFFICER.

AND I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT TODAY ABOUT THE METHODOLOGY WITHIN THE RACIAL PROFILING REPORT, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN.

SO THE REPORT FOR THE 2019 RACIAL PROFILING, UH, WE LOOKED AT 2019 MOTOR VEHICLE STOP DATA FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN, OPEN DATA PORTAL TO CONDUCT AN ANALYSIS ON PROPORTIONALITY.

WE USE THE CITY OF AUSTIN POPULATION DATA FROM THE 2010 CENSUS.

UH, THIS DATA HAS THE LOWEST, UH, MARGIN OF ERROR, WHICH IS WHY WE USED, WE USE THAT PARTICULAR DATA SOURCE.

WE ALSO CONDUCTED A DISPARATE INCOME OUTCOMES ANALYSIS FOR THOSE DECISIONS THAT HAPPEN AFTER A TRAFFIC STOP TO GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN.

WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DISPROPORTIONALITY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RATIO BETWEEN THE PERCENTAGE OF PERSONS IN A PARTICULAR

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WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DISPARATE IMPACT, WE'RE DESCRIBING A SITUATION IN WHICH AN OUTCOME OR AN ADVERSE EFFECT FALLS DISPROPORTIONATELY ON A RACIAL OR ETHNIC GROUP COMPARED TO OTHER RACIAL OR ETHNIC GROUPS.

AND WHEN WE'RE ANALYZING DISPARATE IMPACT ON THE DECISION POINTS AFTER A STOP, SUCH AS A CITATION ARREST OR WARNING, UM, WE'RE BORROWING FROM LEGALLY AVAILABLE ANALYTICAL FRAMEWORKS WHERE THE RELEVANT POPULATION BASE FOR THAT ADVERSE DISPARATE IMPACT IS THE SUBSET OF THE POPULATION THAT IS AFFECTED BY THE DECISION.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IT'S, IT'S A GREAT CREDIT TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UM, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO BORROW THESE LEGALLY AVAILABLE ANALYTICAL FRAMEWORKS THAT ARE NORMALLY RESERVED FOR THE COURTS TO USE THEM INSTEAD AS A PERFORMANCE MEASURE, WHERE WE CAN SET THESE AUDACIOUS GOALS FOR OUR CITY AND MEASURE PROGRESS TOWARDS THEM.

NEXT SCREEN FOR RACIAL DISPROPORTIONALITY IN 2019 BLACK AMERICAN AFRICAN BLACK AFRICAN-AMERICAN DRIVERS WERE THE MOST OVERREPRESENTED GROUP AND MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS MAKING UP APPROXIMATELY 8% OF THE AUSTIN POPULATION.

BUT 14% OF THE MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS 25% OF SEARCHES AND 25% OF THE ARRESTS.

AND WE'RE THE ONLY DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP TO RECEIVE MORE HIGH DISCRETION THAN LOW DISCRETION SEARCHES, HISPANIC, LATINO DRIVERS MADE UP 33% OF MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS.

AND 44% OF MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS THAT RESULTED IN A CITATION, BUT THEY COMPRISE 31% OF AUSTIN'S ADULT POPULATION.

WHITE DRIVERS WERE THE MOST UNDERREPRESENTED IN TOTAL MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS.

ASIAN DRIVERS WERE SLIGHTLY UNDERREPRESENTED IN TOTAL MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS.

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WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DISPARATE OUTCOMES, ONCE SOMEONE IS PULLED OVER WHITE, CAUCASIAN AND ASIAN DRIVERS RECEIVE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF WARNINGS OR FIELD OBSERVATIONS AT 63 AND 64% RESPECTIVELY BLACK, AND AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISPANIC, LATINO DRIVERS RECEIVE HIGHER PERCENTAGES OF SEARCHES THAT RESULTS IN ARREST AT 10% AND 7% RESPECTIVELY HISPANIC LATINOS RECEIVED THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF CITATIONS AT 44% BLACK AFRICAN-AMERICANS WERE THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE SEARCHED AND APPROXIMATELY THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE ARRESTED THAN WHITE CAUCASIAN DRIVERS.

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NOW WE TURN IT OVER TO DIRECTOR FARRAH MUSKET AND FOR MORE ON THE DATA ANALYSIS.

THANK YOU, CARRIE.

UM, GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS FARAH MUSKETT AND I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT.

UM, THANK YOU, CHAIR FLANIGAN AND TWO COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAYOR ADLER, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU TODAY.

I ALSO WANT TO THINK MY COLLEAGUES, CARRIE AND BRIAN OAKS FOR JOINING IN THIS, UM, JOINT REPORT.

UM, IT HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING JOURNEY.

UM, THIS, THIS, UH, THE OPPOSITE POLICE MONITOR IS GENERALLY DONE A RACIAL PROFILING REPORT WHERE THERE HADN'T BEEN ONE SINCE 2015.

AND SO, UM, WE THOUGHT THE LENS THAT OPO AND EQUITY AND INNOVATION COULD PROVIDE IS IMPORTANT IN THIS CONVERSATION, PARTICULARLY AS YOU KNOW, THE SENTIMENT IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE LIVED EXPERIENCE OF THOSE, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE TALKED LOT ABOUT RACIAL PROFILING.

AND SO WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT AND LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT WHAT THE DATA SAYS.

UM, YOU WILL GET A FULL COPY OF THE REPORT THAT WILL BE RELEASED THIS AFTERNOON, BUT GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE TIME I WANTED TO REALLY JUST GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF SOME OF THE KEY POINTS IN, UM, IN, IN, IN OUR ANALYSIS, IN THE, IN THE REPORT.

UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO GENERALLY THIS SLIDE TALKS ABOUT, UM, JUST PROPORTIONALITY AND AGAIN, CARRIE DID A FABULOUS JOB WITH EXPLAINING IT WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, THE NUMBER OF STOPS AND THE, UM, THE, UH, PERCENTAGE OF EACH PARTICULAR RACE ETHNICITY IS, UM, PORTION OF THE POPULATION IN HERE WITH THIS CHART IS TELLING US, IS THAT FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS THEY EXPERIENCED 6% OVER-REPRESENTATION AS COMPARED TO THEIR PORTION OF THE POPULATION, HISPANIC, LATINO, 2%, OVER-REPRESENTATION ASIAN 3%.

UNDER-REPRESENTATION WHEN WE LOOK AT THEIR, UM, PORTION OF THE POPULATION IN WHITE, CAUCASIAN 6%.

SO WE DO SEE SOME CHANGE FROM 2018 TO 2019, UM, AS IT RELATES TO AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND WHITE DRIVERS.

BUT AGAIN,

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WE STILL SEE THE DISPROPORTIONALITY, PARTICULARLY WITH AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND LATINO DRIVERS.

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NOW THIS IS THIS SLIDE HERE IS EXPLAINING THE EXACT SAME INFORMATION IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, BUT HERE WE GIVE YOU THE NUMBERS.

SO WE GIVE YOU THE NUMBERS OF THE, IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THE STOPS THAT OCCURRED IN 2019, BY THE FOUR MOST POPULOUS, UM, RACE, ETHNICITY GROUPS.

AND THEN WE, WE GIVE YOU THE PERCENTAGE OF THE STOP OF THEIR PARTICULAR STOP, THEIR PORTION OF THE POPULATION.

AND THEN, THEN YOU CAN SEE HOW WE DID THE MATH WITH LOOKING AT OVER AN UNDER-REPRESENTATION.

SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY OF, UM, DISPLAYING THE PREVIOUS SLIDE IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THE OVERALL PORTION ACTIVITY OF MOTOR VEHICLES.

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PLEASE KNOW THIS SLIDE.

UM, WE PUT IN HERE ACTUALLY, AS A RESULT OF OUR PRESENTATION FROM THE JUDICIAL COMMITTEE IN FEBRUARY, UH, MAYOR PERCE HAVE SPECIFICALLY ASKED US, WELL, WHAT ARE THE REASONS FOR THE STOP? AND SO THAT WASN'T INCLUDED IN OUR INITIAL REPORT.

SO WE MADE SURE TO INCLUDE IT IN THIS REPORT.

AND IT WAS A PRETTY COMMON QUESTION THAT WE GOT FROM COMMUNITY AFTER THAT REPORT WAS RELEASED.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE REASON FOR THE STOPS AT 2019 75% OF THEM WERE MOVING TRAFFIC VIOLATION.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS SPEEDING FAILURE TO STAY IN LANES, FAILURE TO SIGNAL.

AND THAT WAS THE PRIMARY REASON FOR, UM, FOR, UH, VEHICLE STOPS IN 2019.

UM, AND THEN WE LOOKED AT, UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU SEE 0.2% FOR PRE-EXISTING KNOWLEDGE, UM, THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, HERE.

WHAT WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT THE STOPS THAT RESULTED IN ARREST AND OF THOSE STOPS THAT RESULTED IN ARREST.

WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE STOP? OKAY.

SO I'LL JUST SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME.

WE LOOKED AT, UM, THE ARREST THAT OCCURRED FROM A STOP, AND WE WANTED TO KNOW OF THOSE ARRESTS, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE INITIAL STOP? AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT FOR 2019, 68% OF THEM WERE, UH, MOVING TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS, 28% OTHER VIOLATIONS OF OTHER LAW, UM, OF A VIOLATION OF LAW, I'VE BEEN TRAFFIC AND THEN 3% PRE-EXISTING KNOWLEDGE, KNOWLEDGE, FOR EXAMPLE, A WAR.

NEXT SLIDE, WE NOTICED, UM, AN INCREASE IN THE DISPROPORTIONALITY, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO SEARCHES.

UM, WE SAW THAT THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN DISPROPORTIONALITY OF SEARCHES AS IT RELATES TO, UM, AFRICAN-AMERICANS GOING FROM 17 TO 18% FROM 2018 TO 2019.

THE NUMBERS STAYED THE SAME FOR HISPANIC AND LATINO AND THE SAME FOR ASIAN.

AND IT'S SLIGHTLY INCREASED, UM, FOR WHITE, CAUCASIAN FROM 2018 TO 2019.

AND I'LL GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO SEARCHES, UM, IN THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, SHARING, YOU MAY NOT REMEMBER, BUT I, I REMEMBER BECAUSE THIS STUCK OUT TO YOU MOST WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS TO YOU, UM, IN THE JUDICIAL COMMITTEE IN FEBRUARY, WE LOOK AT HIGH AND LOW DISCRETION SEARCHES.

AND LET ME JUST QUICKLY EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE.

HIGHER DISCRETION SEARCHES ARE JUST FRESHEN OR SEARCHES THAT ARE PRETTY MUCH KIND OF UP TO THE OFFICER IN TERMS OF, UM, IF THERE'S PROBABLE CAUSE CONSENT, OR FOR EXAMPLE, FOR SAFETY, LOW DISCRETION SEARCHES ARE THE TYPE OF SEARCHES THAT BECAUSE OF STATE LAW, BECAUSE, UM, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO A SEARCH.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, SUBSEQUENT TO AN ARREST THAT IS A LOW DISCRETION SEARCH OFFICERS ARE ABLE TO SEARCH THE PERSON, UM, VEHICLE SUBSEQUENT TO AN ARREST.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR CHART AGAIN, UM, IT SHOWS THAT AFRICAN-AMERICANS ARE MORE LIKELY TO EXPERIENCE HIGH DISCRETION SEARCHES THAN LOW DISCRETION SEARCHES.

AND IT'S THE ONLY RACE, ETHNICITY, ETHNICITY GROUP THAT HAS THAT HIGHER, HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF HIGH DISCRETION SEARCHES.

UM, AND THIS NUMBER WHEN WE LOOKED AT COMPARED TO 2018, THIS NUMBER INCREASED BY 7.7%.

UM, AND SO THAT WE DO KNOW THAT THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO FURTHER AND ASSIST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN REALLY, UM, ADDRESSING THIS, UM, THIS CONCERN, UM, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE SEEING THAT AFRICAN AMERICANS EXPERIENCE MUCH MORE, UM, HIGH DISCRETION SEARCHES THAN ANY OF THE OTHER RACE OR ETHNICITY, UM, GROUPS THAT WE LOOKED AT NEXT SLIDE NOW IS AN ADDITIONAL, UM, UM, ANALYSIS THAT WE ADDED TO THE REPORT.

SO WE LOOKED AT OUTCOMES BY EACH RACE AND ETHNICITY, UM, IN TERMS OF, UM, WHAT HAPPENED SUBSEQUENT TO THEIR STUFF.

AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ASIAN POPULATION, AGAIN, IN THE CONTEXT OF 2019,

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34% OF THE TIME, THEY RECEIVED CITATIONS, 64% OF THE TIME THEY RECEIVED THE WARNINGS AND FIELD OBSERVATIONS, AND 2% ARREST.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN POPULATION, 55% RECEIVED WARNINGS AND FIELD OBSERVATIONS, 35% RECEIVED CITATIONS, AND 10% RECEIVED ARREST, PLEASE.

WHEN WE LOOK AT HISPANIC AND LATINO POPULATION, 48% RECEIVED WARNINGS AND FIELD OBSERVATIONS, 44% CITATIONS AND 7% ARRESTS.

AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT THE WHITE CAUCASIAN POPULATION, 63% RECEIVED WARNINGS AND FIELD OBSERVATIONS, 33% CITATIONS AND 4% ARREST.

AND SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE FOREMOST POPULACE RACE, ETHNICITY GROUPS, UM, THIS IS WHERE THE DATA SHOWED THAT AFRICAN-AMERICANS ARE THREE MORE, THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE SEARCHED AND APPROXIMATELY THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE ARRESTED THAN THEIR WHITE COUNTERPARTS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

WE DID A GEOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT PRIMARILY WARNINGS AND FIELD OBSERVATIONS AND ALSO ARRESTS.

AND AS YOU KNOW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DIVIDED THE CITY INTO SECTORS.

AND SO ON THIS, WITH THIS ILLUSTRATES, IS THAT IN THE ADAM AND BAKER SECTOR, THERE ARE HIGHER CONCENTRATION OF WARNINGS AND FIELD OBSERVATIONS.

AND THEN IN THE EDWARD, IN CHARLIE'S SECTOR, THERE WERE A HIGHER CONCENTRATION OF ARRESTS.

I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE'RE UNABLE TO, TO TRACK CITATIONS.

UM, THE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE THE GEO-MAPPING AND THEIR DOCUMENTATION TO DO THAT.

UM, UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE PUT IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, CAUSE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE, UM, GEOGRAPHICALLY, HOW CITATIONS ARE MAPPED OUT.

UM, THAT IS THE LAST SLIDE BEFORE I TURN IT OUT TO BRIAN, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, UM, I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT, UM, RACIAL PROFILING AND THE DISPROPORTIONALITY.

AND I KNOW THAT I CAN SPEAK FOR CARRIE AND BRIAN, THAT WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD AND WANT TO BE PARTNERS WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE FUNDAMENTALLY OUR GOAL IS NOT ONLY TO REACH ZERO DISPARITY, BUT ALSO TO HAVE EQUITY IN POLICING.

UM, AND BRIAN, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO BRIAN TO TALK ABOUT THE RECOMMENDS.

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.

UM, I'LL BRIEFLY GO OVER SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN THE FULL REPORT THAT YOU'LL BE RECEIVING TODAY.

AND PRIOR TO THE PANDEMIC, WE ACTUALLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HOST A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, UH, WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS AROUND THE 2018 RACIAL PROFILING, UH, REPORT AND THE RESULT.

AND WE USE A LOT OF THAT FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM THAT COMMUNITY CONVERSATION INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE FOR THIS YEAR.

AND AS YOU READ THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS YEAR, YOU'LL ALSO SEE THAT SOME OF THEM CARRY OVER FROM LAST YEAR.

SO IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I'LL REVIEW THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH YOU AT A HIGH LEVEL.

UH, I WILL SAY THAT OUR, OUR FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THAT'S IN THIS REPORT CENTERS AROUND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, UH, AND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I FUNDAMENTALLY BELIEVE THAT WE CAN NOT, UH, BE A PART OF HELPING YOU FIX A PROBLEM.

IF WE CAN'T GET YOU TO ADMIT THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM AND I WILL BE OPEN AND HONEST TO TELL YOU THAT, UM, A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UH, WAS A DEFENSIVENESS, UH, WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF REALLY RECEIVING, UH, THE RACIAL PROFILING DATA AND, AND THE REPORT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT, UM, WAS THAT AS A CITY, HOW DO WE SORT OF UNEQUIVOCALLY REALLY SORT OF STEP IN AND, UH, THE DATA THAT'S IN THE REPORT SO THAT WE CAN REALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH BEING ABLE TO BRING FORTH SOLUTION TO HOW WE ELIMINATE THIS DISPARITY.

IT CAN'T BRING IT TO ZERO, ANOTHER IMPORTANT AREA, THE RECOMMENDATION CENTERS AROUND THE NEED FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES THAT, UH, WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO INTRODUCE ACROSS ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS IS THAT AS WE DO THAT ENGAGEMENT, HOW DO WE REALLY CENTER THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOST, UH, HARMED ARE MOST ON THE END OF THE NEGATIVE IMPACT? AND IN THIS, IN THIS CASE, HOW DO WE REALLY SORT OF ENGAGE, UH, AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND LATINO COMMUNITY MEMBERS AROUND HOW WE ACTUALLY NEED FOR, TO REALLY BRING FORTH SOLUTIONS, UH, TO HOW WE ELIMINATE THESE DISPARITIES AND TRAFFIC STOPS AND, UH, AND ARREST AND SEARCHES THAT WE SEE IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE ALSO FEEL THAT, UH, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT YEAH.

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FOR US TO, TO FOCUS ON, UH, ESTABLISHING AND THE BISMARK STORE IMPORTANT, BECAUSE IT REALLY BEGINS TO BUILD US A ROAD MAP OF HOW WE HAVE TO GET TO ZERO.

AND IN THOSE BENCHMARKS, I WOULD ASK, WHAT ARE OUR INTERVENTION? WHAT ARE THE PLANS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE? HOW DO WE FILL THESE INTERVENTIONS ARE DIFFERENT PILOTS THAT WE MAY TRY WILL ACTUALLY SORT OF HELP US REDUCE THIS, BUT THE DISPARITY TO GET US TO ZERO.

SO ULTIMATELY BEING ABLE TO ESTABLISH A BENCHMARK AND A PATHWAY SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET, UH, TO MEET THE GOALS THAT THE COUNCIL SET, UH, FOR US IN THE RESOLUTION 50, AND THE COMMITMENT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE COMMITTEE, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, WE HAD MADE COMMENTS AROUND WANTING TO SEE SOMETHING IN WRITING FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF THEIR COMMITMENT TO REALLY GET TO THIS GOAL OF ZERO.

AND THEN THE LAST RECOMMENDATION THAT WE EXPLORE IN THE REPORT IS THE NEED FOR US TO RELEASE GET UPSTREAM.

AND, UH, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY WITHIN OUR OFFICER TRAINING, UH, TO INTERVENE EARLY ON AND TO REALLY SORT OF ACKNOWLEDGE AND ADDRESS THE ROLE OF OFFICER DISCRETION IN RACIAL DISPARITIES? AND IS THAT AN ACCURATE PART OF OUR TRAINING ACADEMY WHEN WE'RE STARTING EARLY ON IN TERMS OF HOW WE ADDRESS THAT ISSUE? I THINK THAT AS YOU LOOK AT THE DATA TODAY, UM, THE HIGH DISCRETIONARY SEARCHES AND THE DISPARITY FOR AFRICAN AMERICAN MOTORISTS IN THAT AREA IS REALLY ILLUSTRATED OF, UH, OF, OF WHAT HAPPENS AT THOSE DISCRETION POINTS FOR OUR OFFICERS AND DRIVERS IN THE CITY, I THINK COULD A GOOD ILLUSTRATION OF THAT.

AND SO THAT'S A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE IN THE REPORT.

UH, WE DEFINITELY WOULD WELCOME MORE OPPORTUNITY TO PROBABLY COME BACK AND TALK AT LENGTH ABOUT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AS YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT REPORT.

AND THEN I THINK NOW WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN OR FOR MADISON.

I ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

I'M MORE STATEMENTS OF, OF GRATITUDE FOR FARRAH AND FOR CARRIE AND FOR BRIAN FOR THE HARD WORK THAT I KNOW YOU'RE POURED INTO THIS, PRODUCING THIS DATA AND PRODUCING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I REALLY JUST WANTED TO SAY, I THOROUGHLY APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK.

THIS WAS TOTALLY NECESSARY.

YOU GUYS MAY OR MAY NOT NOTICE THIS, BUT THIS IS ALMOST TO THE DAY, THE YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF WHEN WE BROUGHT FORWARD THE RESOLUTION THAT SORT OF STARTED THIS BALL ROLLING.

UM, AND SO, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, THE, JUST OVER A MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE ASKED FOR, FOR AUDITING THE ACADEMY WAS APPROVED AS WELL.

AND THAT PROCESS IS STARTING TO, SO IT JUST FEELS LIKE EVERYTHING IS LINING UP JUST SO, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

IT FEELS COMPREHENSIVE.

AND SO THE ONE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE HAD WAS HOW DO WE, LIKE ONE OF THE LAST BENCHMARKS IF HAD TRAINING AND INTERVENTION.

AND SO I'VE KIND OF HAD A, HOW DO WE QUESTION, BUT THEN IT OCCURRED TO ME IF WE ARE SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING THE AUDIT AROUND TRAINING.

I WONDER IF THAT INFORMATION COULD, YOU KNOW, COULD HELP TO INFLUENCE THE RESPONSE HERE, BUT JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, DID YOU HAVE ANY SORT OF INITIAL IDEAS ABOUT HOW DO WE ADDRESS IT AT THE TRAINING AND INTERVENTIVE? I'M NOT SURE WHAT I'M ASKING ANYBODY.

I THINK WE MAY ALL CHIME IN AND HAVE IDEAS ABOUT IT.

UM, I THINK FROM A, FROM A RACIAL EQUITY STANDPOINT, UM, LIVING AT THE STRENGTH OF OUR TRAINING AROUND THAT IN OUR TRAINING ACADEMY AND HOW DO WE REALLY SORT OF EMPHASIZE THAT, THAT PRINCIPLE, EVEN ON THE FRONT END, IN TERMS OF WHO WE SELECT FOR ACADEMY IS EVEN IMPORTANT.

UM, I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK THAT THE WORK, UM, THAT THE CONSULTANT IS GOING TO DO ON THE AUDIT WITH THE TRAINING ACADEMIES IS A PART OF THAT WORK, UH, WILL HELP US REALLY SORT OF IDENTIFY, UM, SOME OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES MOVING FORWARD.

AND THERE'S BEEN SOME POCKETS OF WORK AROUND THAT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, MY OFFICE IS A PART OF, UH, WORKING WITH THE PROJECT WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE DOING THE PART OF THE, UH, EQUITY VIDEO REVIEW OF SOME OF THE TRAINING ACADEMY MATERIALS AND PROVIDING FEEDBACK ON THAT AS WELL.

AND SO WE HOPE THAT THAT INFORMATION THAT COMES OUT OF THAT REPORT IN THE REVIEW, IN THE WORK THAT THEY WERE DOING WHILE ALSO HELPING INFORM THE TRAINING ACADEMY PORTION TOO.

UM, I'M SORRY IF

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I MISSED THIS FROM THE BEGINNING, BUT I REMEMBER IT'S, THIS IS THIS A NEW REPORT FOR 2019 AND WHAT WE RECEIVED, I FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES A MONTH FEELS LIKE, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS, UM, UH, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, WHEN WE ASKED THESE QUESTIONS, WHEN WE WERE IN PERSON THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, SO THERE MAY HAVE BEEN TWO YEARS AGO.

UM, WHAT WAS THAT PRESENTATION ON 18 DATA.

YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH, SO WE, UM, WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE DOING TWO REPORTS IN ONE YEAR.

UM, SO WHEN WE PRESENTED IN JANUARY PRESENTED THE 2018 DATA, AND SO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO RELEASE THEIR RACIAL PROFILING DATA BY MARCH.

AND SHE DO THE END OF FEBRUARY OF EACH YEAR.

AND SO AFTER RESOLUTION 50 WAS PASSED INTO SETTING THE GOAL FOR ZERO DISPARITY, WE FELT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET THE 2019 REPORT DONE IN THIS YEAR SO THAT WE COULD HAVE THAT TREND DATA AND HAVE ANOTHER ANALYSIS GOING FORWARD.

WE WILL DO THIS, WE WILL RELEASE THIS REPORT IN THE SUMMER OF EACH YEAR.

UM, IT WAS REALLY NOT OUR INTENTION TO DO TWO IN ONE YEAR, BUT, UM, I'M GLAD WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT, IT IS LIKE A COUNCIL MEMBER, HARPER, MADISON SAID ALL FALLING IN PLACE.

AND, UM, THE SLIDE THAT SAID THAT 68% OF ARRESTS, UM, WERE FROM MOVING VIOLATIONS.

I GUESS I ASKED A SIMILAR QUESTION THAT YOU, YOU REMEMBER FROM LAST TIME, BUT DO, DO I GUESS DIGGING INTO, DO WE KNOW OF THE, OF THAT 68%, UM, WHAT THE ARRESTS WERE FOR? LIKE, DOES THE DATA GET AS, AS DETAILED AS THEY WERE PULLED OVER FOR SPEEDING AND, AND, YOU KNOW, 50% WERE ARRESTED FOR A WARRANT OR, OH, NO, BUT THAT WAS A SEPARATE, THAT WAS AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE PERCENTAGE, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO WHAT WE LOOKED AT IS LIKE THE UNIVERSE OF STOPS IN 2019, THOSE THAT WENT TO ARREST, WE LOOKED AT WHAT WAS THE INITIAL REASON FOR THE STOP IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AND THAT NUMBER IS 68% WAS A MOTOR, UH, A MOVING TRAFFIC VIOLATION.

SO THAT'S ANYWHERE FROM SPEEDING, VILLI KEEPING LANES, UM, THAT WE DIDN'T LOOK AT, UM, WHAT THE SUBSEQUENT ARREST WAS FOR.

UM, WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT IN THIS REPORT, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT'S WHY THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE SO HELPFUL BECAUSE THE, THIS REPORT HAS GROWN FROM THE LAST REPORT BECAUSE OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, WE'VE INTRODUCED MORE, UM, DATA ANALYSIS INTO IT, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO IN TERMS OF AFTER THE STOP, IF THERE WAS A REST, WHAT WAS THE BASIS FOR THE ARREST? OKAY, THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM TO THAT POINT, THAT IS A CRITICAL PIECE OF INFORMATION.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST YEAR AS WELL.

AND I AGREED THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE DISPARITIES, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE DISPARITIES ARE THE RESULT OF OFFICER'S DISCRETION VERSUS THE DISPARITIES THAT ARE THE RESULT, THAT THE, THE LIKELIHOOD OF THE FACT THAT A WARRANT EXISTED FOR THE ARREST.

AND THEREFORE IT WASN'T A DISCRETIONARY ARREST.

BUT YOU'RE S YOU'RE SAYING, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS.

SO THERE WAS IN THE PIE CHART, THERE WAS A PERCENTAGE THAT IT LED TO AN ARREST.

IS THAT BECAUSE THE, I GUESS, OR THE OFFICERS JUST, THERE WAS A PERCENTAGE THAT SAID THEY WERE STOPPED BECAUSE OF A PREVIOUS WARRANT.

SO IS IT LIKE THE OFFICER, THE OFFICER RUNS THEIR PLATES AND THEN SO THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING LIKE THERE'S NO MOVING BY ALL.

THEY JUST RUN SOMEONE'S PLATES.

AND CAN WE DO THAT? WE JUST RUN THINGS WITHOUT ANY MOVING VIOLATIONS.

WHAT WAS THE REST OF YOUR BUILDING TO RUN PLATES? BUT THAT 0.2% IS MOST LIKELY WE WERE LOOKING FOR A SUBJECT WARRANT AND WE WERE DOING SURVEILLANCE ON THEM, OR MAYBE THE OFFICER IS FAMILIAR WITH THE PERSON.

THAT'S WHY IT'S SUCH A SMALL NUMBER.

BUT THE OTHER NUMBER, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE DISPROPORTIONALITY IN ARRESTS FROM TRAFFIC STOPS, WE DO NEED TO DO THAT EXTRA LAYER OF DIGGING.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS TO SHOW THOSE ARRESTS.

HOW MANY WERE DISCRETIONARY VERSUS HOW MANY WERE DRIVEN BY THE PERSON HAD A WARRANT ONCE THEY WERE STOPPED FOR A TRAFFIC VIOLATION? OKAY.

SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS OF THAT 68%.

HOW MANY OF THEM WERE ARRESTED BECAUSE OF A PREVIOUS WARRANT THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS ANALYSIS THOUGH? WELL, WE DO, WE DO KNOW BECAUSE OF IN 2019 OF ONES THAT WERE ARRESTED, 3% WERE PREEXISTING KNOWLEDGE, WHICH IS MORE LIKELY A WARRANT.

NO, THAT OF THE 68% THOUGH.

NO, NO, NO.

THAT'S THE, ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE STOPPED AND ARRESTED AND ARRESTED SUED AND SUED AND 2019, OKAY.

THAT WERE ARRESTED.

3% OF THOSE WERE BECAUSE OF A WARRANT.

SO THEN IT'S EVEN, OKAY, THEN IT'S

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NOT A LIE.

NO, THAT'S A SEPARATE CATEGORY THOUGH.

THAT'S THOSE WITH THE PREEXISTING, IT STILL DOESN'T ANSWER FOR THE 68%.

HOW MANY OF THOSE ACTUALLY HAD A WARRANT? THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE SETS OF DATA.

SO, SO NO, THEY'RE NOT, THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING.

THAT WOULD BE, IF SOMEBODY CAN FIND THAT OUT, THAT WOULD BE A HELPFUL PIECE OF DATA.

UM, IF I'M, IF I MIGHT JUMP IN REVEREND SAM, CAUSE I HAD A SIMILAR QUESTION ON THAT, UM, IT MIGHT BE, IT MIGHT BE USEFUL FARRAH CAUSE I'M, I'M HEARING THE, YOU KNOW, THE DATA GETS MORE COMPLICATED.

THE DEEPER WE GO, INSTEAD OF ADDING A LOT OF STUFF TO A FULL REPORT, IF WE MIGHT JUST DEEP DIVE IN A FEW OF THESE AREAS IN THE SHORT TERM, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, THAT WAY IT, IT IT'LL HELP NARROW THE FRAME OF ANALYSIS.

WE CAN ADD FEWER VARIABLES AS WE GET MORE ANSWERS.

SO JUST FOR EXAMPLE, TAKING THE PIE CHART THAT CHART TWO ON SLIDE 16 AND TAKING THAT 68% AND BREAKING IT OUT.

SO WE GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW, HOW THOSE, WHAT STARTED AS A MOVING VIOLATION, HOW THEY CONCLUDED AND NOT WAITING FOR THE NEXT BIG REPORT, BUT JUST MAYBE DEEP DIVING ON THAT.

ONE QUESTION MIGHT PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY BECAUSE I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, CHIEF, WHERE THE PREEXISTING KNOWLEDGE OF THE ONES WHERE THERE WASN'T A MOVING VIOLATION.

THEY HAD, THEY, THEY, FOR SOME REASON KNEW THIS 3% THAT THERE WAS A WARRANT AND THAT'S WHY THEY WERE STOPPED IN THE 68%.

THERE WAS A MOVING VIOLATION AND IT'S POSSIBLE A BIG PERCENTAGE OF THOSE AFTER THE MOVING VIOLATION REASON, IT WAS DISCOVERED THEY HAD A WARRANT OR WHATEVER THAT IS, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE DEEP DIVE, I THINK WILL BE HELPFUL.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT PLEASE, PLEASE CONTINUE YOUR REPORTS.

NO PROBLEM.

UM, UM, SINCE YOU WERE YOU'RE ON A TEAM, MAN, I REMEMBER WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION LAST TIME ABOUT, UM, THE ACKNOWLEDGED, THE ACKNOWLEDGING PART.

AND I, YOU KNOW, I, A HUNDRED PERCENT UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU WANTING TO DEFEND, YOU KNOW, ANY ACTIONS BY YOUR OFFICERS.

I TOTALLY GET IT, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE LAST TIME THERE, THERE W THERE WASN'T THAT, THAT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.

UM, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS IF NOW YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE IS, UM, ROOM TO IMPROVE AND ROOM TO CHANGE IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVEN JUST LOOKING AT THE, EVEN WITHOUT DIGGING INTO THE NUMBERS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP THAT SHOWS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PARTS OF TOWN AND, AND, AND, UM, THE, UH, WARNINGS THAT ARE GIVEN, UM, THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT WHEN YOU SEE THAT, THAT IT, FROM THAT MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOUTHEAST AUSTIN NEVER GETS A WARNING IF IT'S FROM, IF I, IF I READ THAT MAP CORRECTLY.

AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU CAN, IF, IF YOU WANTED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT THIS TIME, BECAUSE LAST TIME WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IT WAS A VERY, UM, DEFENSIVE, UH, RESPONSE.

AND I, AND I GET IT, YOU KNOW, I, WE'RE ALL PUBLIC SERVANTS AS COUNCIL MEMBERS.

WE GET CRITICIZED ALL THE TIME, BUT AS PUBLIC SERVANTS THAT WE NEED TO BE OPEN TO THAT CRITICISM AND, AND, AND WANT TO DO BETTER AND, AND, YOU KNOW, GET TO A PLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEN WE CAN, IF IT'S A POLICY ISSUE, WE CAN SAY, WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE ON THAT.

BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU WANT IT, IF YOU WANT IT TO, UM, SHOWING THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.

WELL, CERTAINLY MAYOR PRO TEM, AND AGAIN, UH, THE DEFENSIVENESS IS NOT ABOUT THE NEED TO ALWAYS DEFEND MY DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PERFECT.

AND, AND THERE ARE ISSUES THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING AND HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING FOR YEARS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, I WILL AGREE THAT THERE IS WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND THAT WORK IS UNDERWAY AND WE ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGING TO THE EXTENT WE'RE EITHER ALLOWED OR INVITED.

UM, AND I AM ACTUALLY PLEASED TO SEE THAT, ALTHOUGH IT IS, IT IS A SLIGHT IMPROVEMENT THAT THERE WASN'T IMPROVEMENT MADE LAST YEAR COMPARED TO 2018 IN SOME OF THESE AREAS OF DISPROPORTIONALITY.

SO I DO THINK THAT WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE MADE PROGRESS.

AND I THINK THAT WITH THE CONTINUED EFFORTS OF EVERYONE THAT'S INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS, WE CAN CONTINUE ALONG THIS PATH.

FOR CERTAIN PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, I ALSO JUST I'D ADD, UM, YOU KNOW, I OFTEN HEAR IN THESE KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS, PEOPLE WILL SAY STUFF LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, JUST DO WHAT YOU'RE TOLD, DO WHAT THE OFFICER TELLS YOU TO DO.

DO YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS STRANGE TO ME THAT THE, THAT THE RESPONSIBILITY GETS PUT ON THE, ON THE PERSON.

THAT'S NOT THE PROFESSIONAL IN THAT SITUATION.

YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT I GET, IF I GET PULLED OVER, I GET NERVOUS.

UM, IT IS A VERY VALID REACTION FOR PEOPLE TO NOT, UM, ACT A HUNDRED PERCENT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO GET NERVOUS, TO GET SCARED AND ESPECIALLY WITH, IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE INCREDIBLY AWFUL THINGS HAPPEN SOMETIMES, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TRAFFIC STOPS FOR,

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SO I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT AS WE TRY TO GET BETTER, THAT IS A BIG PART OF OUR TRAINING FOR OUR OFFICERS.

THAT THEY'RE THE PROFESSIONAL IN THE SITUATION.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE GET CALLED THE MOST AWFUL NAMES, YOU KNOW, UH, GET SENT THE MOST AWFUL EMAILS, BUT WE HAVE TO BE THE PROFESSIONAL IN THOSE.

AND I REALLY HOPE THAT WE ARE, UH, DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR POLICE OFFICERS AS WE TRAIN THEM AND, AND, AND HAVING THEM, UM, UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE, THEY ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS.

AND, AND I KNOW IT'S A HARD JOB.

I KNOW IT IS, BUT, UM, I CERTAINLY HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE WORKING TOWARDS, UM, PRODUCING THESE, THESE WHAT I BELIEVER OR RACIAL BIASES THAT ARE IN OUR POLICE, AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO THAT WORK.

AND THE ONLY THING THAT I'LL ADD IS THAT AT THE COMMENCEMENT SPEECH, UH, AT OUR MOST RECENT CADET GRADUATION, AS I SAY IT, IF NOT ALL, MOST OF THEM, I ACTUALLY DO REMIND THE GRADUATING CLASS THAT REMEMBER IN EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE YOU ARE IN, YOU ARE THE TRAINED PROFESSIONAL.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO REITERATE AND, UH, AND THAT I AM IN COMPLETE AGREEMENTS WITH YOU.

THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS.

OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL MEMBER, KITCHEN.

I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF WE COULD GET A COPY OF THE SLIDE DECK.

I DIDN'T SEE IT POSTED, I THINK THE SLIDES WERE EMAILED TO COUNCIL OFFICES, UH, AROUND EIGHT 30 THIS MORNING.

SO THEY SHOULD BE IN YOUR INBOX.

THAT'S WHAT STAFF TOLD US.

I'LL HAVE MY STAFF FOLLOW UP ON THAT AGAIN.

IF YOU COULD HAVE A FOLLOW-UP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

I'D APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SORRY.

I CAN'T REMEMBER TOTO MAYBE.

THANKS.

I, UM, HAVE A QUESTION FOR FARAH FARAH.

YOU PAUSED AND EXPLAIN THIS, BUT I'M STILL HAVING TROUBLE DISTINCT BETWEEN THE INFORMATION SLIDE FIVE AND THE INFORMATION ON SLIDE SIX.

SO IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SPENDING ANOTHER FEW MINUTES ON THAT.

AND THIS IS THE, THE SLIDES THAT TALK ABOUT THE DISPROPORTIONALITY.

I'M SORRY.

SOMETHING LIKE A WARNING, BUT I'M JUST NOT, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT TERM.

THE ANALYSIS, THE REASON FOR THE MEDICAL, THE, THE 15 IS ENTITLED FOR THE MOTOR VEHICLE STOP IN 2019.

AND THEN ON THE NEXT ONE IS THE PIE CHART THAT TALKS ABOUT THE REASON FOR STOP, THAT RESULTED IN ARRESTS BY RACE, ETHNICITY.

AND SO I'M STRUGGLING WITH UNDERSTANDING THOSE TWO SLIDES AND JUXTAPOSITION TO ONE ANOTHER AND HOW THEY RELATE.

AND SO ON THE PIE CHART ON 16 IN PARTICULAR, UM, I GUESS I NEED SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT WOULD BE VIOLATIONS OF LAW OTHER THAN TRAFFIC.

I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, A CATEGORY THAT MIGHT ENCOMPASS VIOLATIONS OTHER THAN TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS.

SO, OKAY.

SO THE, UM, I BELIEVE THIS IS SLIDE 15, THAT TALKS ABOUT THE REASON FOR THE MOTOR VEHICLES STAFF.

THIS WAS A QUESTION THAT WE GOT IN FEBRUARY, JUST IN TERMS OF, UM, WHEN WE DID THE ANALYSIS FOR, UM, THE RATIO PROFILE AND WE WERE ASKED, WELL, WHAT, WHY WERE PEOPLE BEING STOPPED? AND SO WHAT THIS SLIDE TALKS ABOUT IS 75% OF THE TIME WHEN THERE WERE, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF STOPS FOR 2019, THERE WAS JUST OVER 139,000.

SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT NUMBER A HUNDRED, 4,000, JUST OVER A HUNDRED, 4,000, WHERE, BECAUSE OF A MOVING TRAFFIC VIOLATION.

SO THAT'S THE UNIVERSE OF, UM, MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS AND WHY PEOPLE WERE STOPPED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

UM, WE LOOKED FOR, UM, AN EXAMPLE OF VIOLATION OF LAW OTHER THAN TRAFFIC.

UM, I MAY HAVE TO DEFER TO CHIEF ON THAT CAUSE WE REALLY COULDN'T FIND A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT TO GIVE YOU, UM, IT WAS A QUESTION THAT WE, THAT WE GOT THAT WE COULDN'T FIND, UM, AN EXAMPLE FOR THAT.

BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE, WHAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING.

SO LET ME JUST MAYBE PUT IT IN TERMS OF AN EXAMPLE.

SO WE KNOW THAT IN THE UNIVERSE OF STOPS FOR 2019, THERE WERE 139,000, JUST OVER 129,000.

LET'S SAY I AM ONE OF THE ONE 39.

I AM STOPPED AND SUBSEQUENTLY ARRESTED.

WE WANTED TO LOOK AT OKAY, OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE ARRESTED FROM THAT 129,000, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THEIR STOPS? AND IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE THAT 67, 68% OF THAT WAS FOR A MOVING TRAFFIC.

SO WE CUT DOWN THE ONE 39 UNIVERSE TO THE UNIVERSE OF THOSE THAT WERE ARRESTED SUBSEQUENT TO STOP TO SEE, OKAY.

WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT GROUP, WHAT WOULD THE REASON FOR THEIR STOP OF THOSE WHO GOT ARRESTED? DOES THAT HELP A LITTLE? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPENDING A FEW MORE MINUTES ON THAT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND UNDERSTAND IT MUCH BETTER NOW.

AND THEN, UM, MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS WHAT IS A FIELD OBSERVATION? I ASSUME IT'S SOMETHING LIKE A WORD OF WARNING,

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IT IS, UM, IT IS JUST LIKE A WARNING.

I'M GONNA SEE IF I CAN QUICKLY FIND THE PD DEFINITION OF IT IN OUR REPORT.

UM, BUT I THINK IT IS JUST LIKE A WARNING.

I CAN, I CAN HELP IF YOU WOULD LIKE PLEASE SURE.

WE REQUIRE OUR OFFICERS TO DOCUMENT ANY TIME THEY STOP AN INDIVIDUAL.

SO LET'S SAY WE STOPPED SOMEONE, UM, AND WE DO NOT ISSUE THEM A CITATION, OR WE STOP THEM, UH, SAY ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND TALK TO THEM AND THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE DONE AS A RESULT OF THAT, SUCH AS AN OFFENSE REPORT, WE FILL OUT A FIELD OBSERVATION SO THAT WE CAN KEEP TRACK OF WHO WE'RE STOPPING FOR ALL OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC REASONS AND REPORTING THAT WEEK THAT WE NEED THAT INFORMATION FOR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO YOU, UH, THERE, UH, LET ME ASK ONE QUESTION THEN I'LL GO TO YOUR CUSTOMER ALTAR.

UM, THE I'M I'M CURIOUS HOW, IF THERE'S ANY, UM, SIMILAR ANALYSIS OF POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAN OTHER CITIES, DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF HOW THIS, HOW THIS LINES UP? ARE THERE PARTS OF THIS THAT ARE UNIQUELY AUSTIN OR ARE THERE PARTS AUSTIN, ARE THERE PARTS OF THIS THAT ARE MORE KIND OF LIKE POLICING AS A CONCEPT FACES THIS DATA ISSUE AND THE RESULTING CHALLENGES AND OVERCOMING IT DJ SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TODAY? YEAH, NO.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A GOOD THING OR BAD THING, BUT THIS IS NOT UNIQUE TO AUSTIN AT ALL AT ALL WHATSOEVER.

UM, PRETTY MUCH THERE'S DISPROPORTIONALITY FOR THOSE THAT DO THIS ANALYSIS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

UM, THERE WAS A COURT EARLIER THIS YEAR FROM TRAVIS COUNTY THAT SHOWED, UM, DISPROPORTIONALITY IN TERMS OF THEIR TRAFFIC STOPS.

UM, THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DID A WHOLE STATEWIDE, UM, REPORT ON RACIAL PROFILING AND THE NUMBERS SHOWED THE SAME OF HIGHER DISPROPORTIONALITY FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND LATINOS.

AND SO, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE EVERY SINGLE POLICE DEPARTMENT STRUGGLES WITH.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S ALSO JUST KIND OF ABOUT THE SYSTEMIC ISSUES IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M PART OF THE REASON WHY I'M SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS WORK AND IN VARIOUS SORT OF ABOUT IT IS BECAUSE I JUST FEEL SO STRONGLY THAT WE CAN ADDRESS IT IN AUSTIN.

UM, I REALLY DO.

I REALLY FEEL LIKE AUSTIN CAN BE THE LEADER IN TERMS OF TURNING THE DIRECTION, UM, IN POLICING.

AND SO THAT IT'S MORE EQUITABLE.

THANK YOU, FARAH.

AND I HOLD THAT IN MY MIND AS, AS KIND OF PERMISSION TO INNOVATE THIS ISN'T ABOUT US UNIQUELY FAILING OR SOME KIND OF UNIQUE FAILING IN THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS AS A CITY.

THIS IS, THESE ARE LARGE SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES THAT ARE SEEKING TO ADDRESS IT.

AND I LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE MIGHT BE THE ONES TO REALLY MOVE THAT NEEDLE AND, UM, HOPE THAT'S HOPE.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO DO.

THAT'S NUMBER ALTAR.

I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL.

I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THE SLIDE, SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE AS SPECIFIC TO, TO WHAT'S ON THE, ON THE SLIDES YET.

BUT IF I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THIS TYPE OF DATA ANALYSIS AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE UNDERSTAND, UM, WHERE WE'RE NOT DOING WELL AND WHERE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES.

I WANTED TO JUST CLARIFY FROM THE, THE CHIEF'S COMMENTS.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, ALL OF THIS DATA IS FROM BEFORE WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT FROM THE REPORT THAT WAS RELEASED EARLIER THIS YEAR.

SO, UM, IF THERE WAS AN IMPROVEMENT FROM 2018 TO 2019, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHANGES THAT WE PUT INTO EFFECT ONCE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE APPARENT THROUGH THE DATA, IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE THE 2020 DATA IS NOT WHAT YOU ANALYZED AND, YOU KNOW, YOU DID YOUR REPORT.

AND I THINK IT WAS JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IS THAT CORRECT? SO I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE SEEING SO FAR, IT'S GOOD THAT IT MOVED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY DATA THAT SHOWS THAT ANY CHANGE AT THIS POINT IS HAVING AN EFFECT.

IS THAT CORRECT? DO I HAVE THE SEQUENCE CORRECT? IF THAT QUESTION IS FOR ME, UH, YES, YOU DO HAVE THE, YOU HAVE THE TIMING, CORRECT.

IN THAT WE RECEIVED THE REPORT ON THE 2018 DATA IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, SUBSEQUENT TO WHEN ALL OF THE DATA IN THE REPORT YOU RECEIVING TODAY WOULD HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED.

SO WE WERE ALREADY MAKING IMPROVEMENTS BEFORE THAT REPORT EVEN CAME OUT OR THE DATA AND THE, AND THE, THAT WAS ALREADY GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION PRIOR TO RECEIVING THAT REPORT IN JANUARY.

SO, YES, SURE.

AND I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, BUT THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS THAT I WOULD,

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AND I SAW, I APOLOGIZE IF THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN STATED, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE IT CLEARLY.

WHAT STEPS HAVE WE TAKEN TO CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY SO THAT WHEN WE'RE NOW LOOKING AT 2020 CORRECTING FOR THE PANDEMIC, HOWEVER YOU DO THAT, THAT, THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE CHANGED IN 2020? AND HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT ARE HAPPENING IN 2021, BUT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO MEASURE THOSE IN OUR 2020 DATA.

SO WHAT HAS ACTUALLY CHANGED, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WE MIGHT CHANGE, BUT YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'VE ALREADY TAKEN STEPS.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU OUTLINE THOSE, UM, CLEARLY FOR US? SURE.

AND I THINK THIS IS THE WHOLE CAUSE AND EFFECT.

WHAT, WHAT, WHERE DO WE BEST INVEST OUR TIME AND EFFORTS TO HAVE THE CHANGE THAT WE WANT? AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE EVER GOING TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN SAY A EQUALS B, BUT WE, I THINK THE FACT THAT THERE IS SO MUCH FOCUS ON THIS ISSUE, BOTH NATIONALLY AND LOCALLY, I THINK THAT WE HAVE INVESTED OVER THE YEARS IN TRAINING, WHETHER IT BE THE IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING THAT WE WENT THROUGH A FEW YEARS BACK, WHETHER IT BE THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE, UH, WITH THE UNDOING RACISM WORKSHOPS THAT WE PUT THE MAJORITY OF OUR COMMAND STAFF AND TRAINING STAFF THROUGH.

UM, AND THEN JUST THAT GENERATES JUST CONVERSATION AS WELL.

SO TO ME, I THINK THE AWARENESS IS, IS ONE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AND, AND, AND TRY TO, UH, EVALUATE HOW MUCH IMPACT DID THAT HAVE.

AND THEN AS WE GO FORWARD, I KNOW THIS WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS COMING OUT OF THE REPORT, AS WELL AS THAT STRATEGIC PLAN.

AND I THINK THERE'S SO MUCH WORK BEING DONE IN SO MANY LANES RIGHT NOW, AS WE LOOK AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BOTH THE REVIEWS THAT WE DID ON OUR TRAINING ACADEMY WITH OUR, OUR OWN STAFF, OUR PHD, THE EXTERNAL, UH, REVIEW THAT WE DID, THE VIDEO REVIEWS THAT ARE BEING DONE RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN YOU ALL OBVIOUSLY JUST HIRED A CROLL TO COME IN AND DO ANOTHER REVIEW.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NOW HAVE TO FOCUS.

OUR EFFORTS IS IN MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A SYNERGY THERE WITH ALL THIS WORK BEING DONE AS WE BUILD THIS STRATEGIC PLAN, SO THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS NEXT YEAR AND WE REALLY WANT TO TIE CAUSE AND EFFECT THAT WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO POINT BACK TO.

BUT FOR NOW I DO THINK IT'S JUST SOME OF THE TRAINING THAT WE'VE PUT OUR OFFICERS THROUGH ALONG WITH JUST REALLY THE ATTENTION THAT'S BEING PAID TO THIS ISSUE AND NATIONALLY, UM, BUT TO HAVE A HARD AND FAST, UM, UH, DATA SET OR SOMETHING WE COULD POINT BACK TO, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT YET.

AND THEN IN TERMS OF, IF WE WERE TO THINK ABOUT HOW THESE CHANGES WERE BEING MADE AT THE CADET LEVEL VERSUS THE OFFICERS WHO ARE OUT IN THE FIELD, UM, I HEARD YOU MENTIONED THE UNDOING RACISM TRAINING.

UM, WHAT WERE THE OTHER THINGS THAT, FOR THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY IN THE FIELD, THE ONGOING TRAINING, WE BRING THE OFFICERS BACK EVERY, EVERY, UH, EVERY TWO YEAR CYCLE FOR TRAINING.

I THINK THE SPECIFIC DIFFERENCE YOU'RE SEEING OUT IN THE FIELD THAT MAY IMPACT SOME OF THESE DISPARITIES AS POLICY CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE BOTH, UH, ON OUR OWN.

AND ALSO IN COORDINATION WITH YOU AS, AS A GOVERNING BODY HERE, UH, SPECIFICALLY IN THE AREA OF LOW-LEVEL ENFORCEMENT OF CERTAIN TYPES OF OFFENSES, UH, WE COULD GO AS FAR BACK AS THE JUVENILE CURFEW AND AS RECENT AS OUR CHANGES TO HOW WE ENFORCE MARIJUANA LAW HERE.

SO I THINK THAT FROM THE, FROM THE OFFICERS ON THE STREET PERSPECTIVE, I THINK IT'S MORE FOR THEM JUST POLICY CHANGES WE HAVE PUT IN PLACE.

AND THEN AS WE CONTINUE OUR REVIEWS OF THE ACADEMY AND OUR CURRICULA, WHERE DO THOSE OPPORTUNITIES LIE TO ACTUALLY TRAIN THE OFFICERS THAT ARE ALREADY IN SERVICE? AND I DO KNOW ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, I BELIEVE IT'S IN THIS YEAR'S REPORT AS WELL, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES TRAINING FOR THOSE OFFICERS THAT ARE ALREADY IN SERVICE.

AND, AND, AND SO WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT OUR OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE AS WELL.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS CAN BE DOCUMENTED, UM, YOU KNOW, QUANTITATIVELY IN ANY WAY, BUT, BUT I DO THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, USEFUL AS, AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION IN THE REPORTING OR WHATEVER, TO BE ABLE TO DOCUMENT, UM, WHAT STEPS HAVE HAPPENED ARE IN MOTION THAT MIGHT RELATE TO THAT.

UM, PARTICULARLY IF WE HAVE AN EYE FOR BEING INNOVATIVE, UM, AND BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, A MODEL FOR, FOR OTHER CITIES, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE REPORT IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THAT.

UM, BUT, BUT BEING ABLE TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THESE ARE LEVERS THAT MAY HAVE AFFECTED IT, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET DOWN TO THE FINE GRAIN OF THIS ONE THING WAS THE SOLUTION OR WHATNOT, BUT, BUT HAVING THAT SUITE OF TOOLS, UM, DOCUMENTED, I THINK, UM, MIGHT BE HELPFUL MOVING FORWARD.

SORRY, ANALYSIS TO INCLUDE, UM, GENDER, UM, LOOKING AT STOPS BY GENDER.

SOME OF THE FARAH ON WHEN WE GET INTO THE FULL REPORT AND WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT YOUR POWERPOINT SLIDES, ARE WE GOING TO SEE MORE SLICES OF THIS DATA IN DIFFERENT WAYS? OH, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, WE EXPANDED OUR I'M

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UM, AND THERE ARE MORE DISPROPORTIONALITY AS IT RELATES TO AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND LATINO MALES.

UM, WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE SPECIFIC OUTCOMES PER RACE, ETHNICITY.

UM, AND SO WE ADDED, UM, MUCH MORE ANALYSIS IN THIS VERSION THAN WE DID IN OUR FIRST ROUND.

UM, AND THAT WAS PRIMARILY FROM COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND ALSO COUNCIL FEEDBACK.

AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO GREAT IS THAT WE'RE RESPONDING TO THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING, ASKING US TO LOOK INTO THE DATA, TO SEE WHAT IT SAYS.

DO YOU HAVE, UH, DO YOU HAVE SOME OF THIS ANALYSIS BROKEN DOWN FURTHER BY CENTRAL REGION AS HISTORY, THE MAP, BUT WHAT STRIKES ME ABOUT THE SYSTEM PRESERVATION IS THAT IT'S A RAW NUMBER AND NOT A PERCENTAGE.

SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW RIGHT.

HOW THOSE NUMBERS COMPARE TO EACH OTHER.

YEAH, WE DO HAVE THAT IN THE REPORT.

IT'S BROKEN DOWN BY NUMBER OF ARRESTS IN BISECTORS AND ALSO BY, UH, I BELIEVE FIELD OBSERVATIONS AS WELL, WARNINGS AND FIELD OBSERVATIONS.

TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT TOGETHER.

I DO REMEMBER SEEING SOME OF THIS AND WE WERE DOING JUDICIAL COMMITTEE AND THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS MUCH AS MY CONSTITUENTS AND MY COUNCIL DISTRICTS ENTIRELY WITHIN THE ATOM SECTOR, AND AS MUCH AS MY CONSTITUENTS HAVE TOLD ME, THEY WANT TO SEE MORE TRAFFIC STOPS OR MOTOR VEHICLE ENFORCEMENT.

I DON'T THINK THEY'RE EXPECTING THEM TO BE WARNINGS UNLESS THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE PULLED OVER, THEN THEY DEFINITELY WANT THE ONE TO TELL ANYBODY ELSE THEY'RE EXPECTING PEOPLE TO GET A TICKET.

SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IT? IT IS.

AND I KIND OF REMEMBER THINKING THEN THAT THE DATA KIND OF SHOWS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THESE PARTS OF TOWN SEEM TO BE ASKING.

AND YOU'VE GOT SOME PARTS OF TOWN THAT, THAT IN LARGE PART ARE WANTING MORE ENFORCEMENT AND YOU'RE SEEING MORE WARNINGS AND THEN SOME PARTS OF TOWN WHERE THEY'RE WANTING TO SEE MORE KIND OF COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP FROM OFFICERS, AND THEY'RE SEEING MORE, UH, ARRESTS, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A TON OF DETAIL TO DIG INTO FOR THOSE REASONS.

BUT JUST AS A, AS A HIGH-LEVEL BLUSH, I THINK MORE, MORE, MORE, MORE INFORMATION TO DIG INTO THAT REPORT.

AND THEN IF I SEE ANY GAPS OR ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS WE CAN, ANY COUNCIL MEMBER OF COURSE CAN REACH OUT TO YOUR OFFICE OR TO, OR TO THE CHIEF AND SEE IF THERE'S MORE INFO OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS REPORT, HOWEVER, CASAR, OKAY.

UH, TWO, TWO QUESTIONS.

UH, THE FIRST ONE AROUND THE DATA AND TO YOUR POINT CHAIR ABOUT ADDRESSES, UH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE.

EVERY TIME WE GET ONE OF THE REPORTS ABOUT, UH, ISOLATING, WHAT HAS TO DO POTENTIALLY MORE WITH RACE OR ETHNICITY AND WHAT DOES NOT.

SO I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES Y'ALL CHECK THE DATA ON LIKE STOPS AT NIGHTS VERSUS THE DAYTIME, ASSUMING THAT IT'S HARDER TO DETERMINE A DRIVERS RACE OR ETHNICITY AT NIGHTS.

UM, BUT THAT SOMETIMES THAT INFORMATION MAY NOT BE THAT USEFUL BECAUSE WE'RE SO SEGREGATED THAT YOU MIGHT GENERALLY BE ABLE TO, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S DAY OR NIGHT, UM, YOU'RE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT STILL GOING TO BE STOPPING PEOPLE OF SIMILAR RACE OR ETHNICITY BASED ON NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO SOMETHING THAT I REMEMBER CAME UP IN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING, I THINK BACK IN 2015 OR 2016, WAS LOOKING AT RACIAL DISPROPORTIONALITY OF STOPS OF PEOPLE.

UM, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, PEOPLE OF COLOR IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE SEGREGATED OR MORE HEAVILY, UH, WHITE NEIGHBORHOODS, FOR EXAMPLE, OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND IN ORDER TO BETTER, UH, EXAMINE RACIAL DISPROPORTIONALITY THAT MIGHT NOT BE TIED TO, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT SOMEBODY THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS PATROLLED, RIGHT.

THERE WERE QUESTIONS OF, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE MORE STOPS JUST BY BECAUSE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS PATROLLED MORE OR DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH POTENTIALLY, UM, IMPLICIT BIAS? SO HAVE WE GOTTEN A HOLD YET? OR CAN WE DRILL DOWN TO LOOK AT, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD? YOU KNOW, ARE YOU, DO YOU, DO YOU SEE MORE DISPROPORTIONATE STOPS? FOR EXAMPLE, IF PEOPLE OF COLOR, UM, NOT BASED ON HOW HEAVILY THE AREAS PATROLLED, BUT ACTUALLY BASED MORE, POTENTIALLY MORE INDEPENDENTLY ON RACE, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.

IS THAT CLEAR? I FEEL LIKE IT TOOK ME LONGER TO ASK THE QUESTION.

I THINK I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ADDED IN THIS REPORT THAT WASN'T IN THE LAST REPORT IS THAT WE CREATED, UM, A TABLEAU DASHBOARD WHERE YOU CAN GO IN BY ZIP CODE IN TRACK, MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS BY RACE TIMES, ZIP CODE AND INTERSECTION.

AND SO IT'S INTERACTIVE.

AND SO YOU CAN TYPE IN YOUR ZIP CODE AND SEE KIND OF WHAT THE STOPS WERE.

AND I THINK THAT IS WE HAD TO CLEAN THE DATA A LOT

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UM, AND, UM, AND WE WANTED THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SEE KIND OF IN TERMS OF MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THEIR COMMUNITY.

UM, SO WE, UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO FEEDBACK ON THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A NEW ADDITION TO THE REPORT THAT WE ADDED, UM, JUST SO THAT THE COMMUNITY THEMSELVES CAN DRILL DOWN TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THEIR PARTICULAR NEIGHBOR.

I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT WHAT, CAUSE THEN THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION IS, DOES THE DISPROPORTIONALITY THAT WE, THAT YOU ALL ARE REPORTING, DOES THAT GENERALLY HOLD FROM NEIGHBORHOODS AND NEIGHBORHOOD, REGARDLESS OF, UH, UM, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THERE'S MAJOR ROADS PEOPLE SPEED ON, REGARDLESS OF THE OVERALL RACIAL MAKEUP OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, DOES THAT DISPROPORTIONALITY CONTINUES TO HOLD ACROSS NEIGHBORHOODS OR DO YOU SEE IT DIP DIFFERENT FLOW IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS? YEAH, I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, UM, CHAIR FLANAGAN TALKS ABOUT THAT WE CAN DRILL DOWN IN.

AND I THINK WHEN I, WHEN I, WHEN I TAKE A STEP BACK WITH THE COURT, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF DATA IN THERE, UM, JULIAN DOWN BY NEIGHBORHOODS DRILLING DOWN, I REALLY WANT TO DRILL DOWN ON THE HIGH DISCRETION SEARCHES, CAUSE THAT WAS A RED FLAG.

AND THEN ALSO WHAT PRO TOM TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF, UM, AND ALSO CHAIR FLATTING AND TALKED ABOUT DRILLING DOWN TO DETERMINE WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE REST OF WHAT PEOPLE WERE ARRESTED FOR, UM, POST TO STOP.

UH, I THINK THOSE ARE THREE CRITICAL AREAS WE COULD, WE COULD DRILL DOWN AND LOOK INTO AND COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE TO, TO REPORT WHAT WE FIND.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY USEFUL BECAUSE MY HOPE IS THAT WE GO FROM HERE TO A SET UP TO AN ACTION PLAN OR TO A SET OF RECOMMENDED STEPS TO ADDRESS THIS, WHETHER IT'S HOW IT IS WE'RE PATROLLING IN PARTICULAR AREAS OR, UM, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE EMPHASIZING STOPS FOR WHATEVER, WHATEVER IT IS THAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE.

I THINK IT WOULD, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO DRILL DOWN TO A DEEPER LEVEL OF INFORMATION TO GET A, TO GET TO THAT.

MY SECOND QUESTION WAS ABOUT, UM, HIGH DISCRETION STOPS.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY A FEW YEARS AGO, WHEN WE GOT THIS REPORT CONSENT SEARCHES WERE ACTUALLY A REALLY SMALL PORTION OF OUR NUMBER OF SEARCHES, BUT BASED ON THIS DATA, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THAT MAY BE ON THE RISE OR MAYBE I'M MISREMEMBERING AND WE HIT 25.

I SEE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD.

SO PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONSENT SEARCHES IN THESE HIGH DISCRETION SEARCHES? HAVE WE BEEN SEEING ANY SORT OF CHANGE IN THE NUMBER OF HIGH DISCRETION SEARCHES WE DO OVER A PERIOD OF TIME AND ERIN, DO YOU THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT AS YOU JUST, AS YOU ASKED ME, UM, BECAUSE WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER A HIGH DEPRESSION SEARCH WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT? OR, UM, ONE OF THE CATEGORIES IS CONTRABAND IN PLAIN SIGHT.

AND SO IF AN OFFICER STOPPED SOMEONE AND THERE'S CONTRABAND IN PLAIN SIGHT, SAY A FIREARM POTENTIAL, UH, OR SAY DRUGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, DOES THAT OFFICER REALLY HAVE DISCRETION WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO SEARCH FOR THAT? I WOULD THINK THE COMMUNITY'S EXPECTATION IS IF WE HAVE CONTRABAND IN PLAIN SIGHT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACT ON THAT.

AND SO THAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT LARGE BUCKET OF HIGH OF A, OF HIGH DISCRETION SEARCHES.

I WOULD THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD WANT AN OFFICER THAT HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT A CRIME IS BEING COMMITTED TO CONDUCT THAT SEARCH.

BUT WE DO HAVE TO BE AWARE THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT BIAS ISN'T PLAYING INTO THAT OFFICER'S BELIEF THAT THERE IS PROBABLE CAUSE.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE TO BE A LITTLE CAUTIOUS WITH, SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THESE HIGH DISCRETION SEARCHES ARE MUCH, MUCH MORE THAN THE CONSENT SEARCH, WHERE AN OFFICER IS JUST ASKING TO SEARCH SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SEARCH SOMEONE.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE ABSOLUTE NUMBER IN THIS YEAR'S REPORT, BUT IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY LOW BECAUSE WE'VE SET THE BAR VERY HIGH FOR ALL OF THE THRESHOLDS AN OFFICER HAS TO MEET BEFORE THEY CAN JUST DO A CONSENT SEARCH.

SO I DO THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE DATA TO REALIZE WHAT'S CONSIDERED A HIGH DISCRETION SEARCH IS A VERY WIDE RANGE OF, UH, OF, UH, CATEGORIES.

THANKS CHIEF, THAT CLEARS THAT UP BECAUSE I DO REMEMBER THAT NUMBER BEING VERY LOW.

AND SO, UM, GOOD TO UNDERSTAND IT HERE THAT HIGH DISCRETION SEARCH IS DIFFERENT THAN CONSENT SEARCH.

UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK OF MOST INTEREST TO ME FROM THIS REPORT IS HOW WE GET TO ACTION STEPS THAT ARE SHARED BY, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT OPO AND EQUITY OFFICE FEEL GOOD ABOUT.

AND THAT APD FEELS GOOD ABOUT HOW WE'RE READY TO WORK ON BASED ON SORT OF, I THINK YOUR, THE TOP LINE DATA HELPS US ACKNOWLEDGE THE OVERALL ISSUE OF THE DRILLING DOWN, I THINK, IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO THEN BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT WE CAN AGREE ON US, STEPS OF WHAT TO DO ABOUT THIS.

SO THANK YOU.

I FOUND THE, UH, TABLEAU, I THINK FAIR THAT YOU WERE REFERENCING.

IT'S MY NOT TOP WE'LL SHARE

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IT.

DOES THIS LOOK RIGHT? YEP, THAT'S IT.

SO I, I JUST, FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, SAY CLICKED ON MY OWN ZIP CODE SEVEN EIGHT, SEVEN TWO NINE, AND YOU CAN SEE ACROSS THE BOTTOM, THE VERY LOW RATIO OF FLAT POPULATION IN TWO NINE, BUT IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER BAR IN TERMS OF MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS.

AND SO THERE'S CLEARLY A DISPARITY THERE.

IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE IT BY PERCENTAGE IT'S JUST RAW NUMBERS, BUT YOU CAN DIG INTO THIS DATA REALLY INTERESTING STUFF.

EVEN DISTRICT DISTRIBUTION OF STOPS BY DAY, WHICH I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER STAR WAS SOMETHING YOU WERE KIND OF REFERENCING IS WHAT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT ZIP CODES, BUT REALLY INTERESTING DATA.

IT WAS NOT EASY TO FIND IN THE REPORT.

IT WAS LIKE BURIED IN A PARAGRAPH.

UH, IT WAS ON, UH, ANYONE WHO'S IN THAT, IN THAT PDF, WE'LL FIND IT, UH, ON PAGE 25 LINKED IN THE MIDDLE OF A PARAGRAPH THAT YOU CAN FIND IT, UH, OTHER, OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

AND THIS WAS ONE THAT I ACTUALLY HAD EARLIER.

I, UH, UH, ACCEPTABLE BENCHMARKS.

I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT FOR THE CHIEF.

UM, THERE WAS A SECTION UNDER BENCHMARKS WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR AND WRITING, UM, IS ALSO SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF ACCEPTABLE BENCHMARKS.

I'M VERY CURIOUS, WHAT SORT OF THINGS YOU MIGHT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD BE WILLING TO POSE AS BENCHMARKS FOR PROGRESS, UM, THAT THE COMMUNITY'S ASKING FOR THAT WAS ONE QUESTION AND AWAIT AND S THE OTHER AFTER.

OH, UM, SO AS FAR AS BENCHMARKS, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE WORK THAT I HOPE THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO WITH OPO EQUITY AND INNOVATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

BUT I DO THINK THEY ALL NEED TO SURROUND THIS ISSUE OF, UH, DISPROPORTIONALITIES.

AND THEN AS WE GET BETTER AT WORKING WITH THE DATA TO UNDERSTAND THOSE DISPROPORTIONALITIES THAT ARE DRIVEN, OFFICER DISCRETION, THAT THAT'S WHEN WE START SETTING THOSE ABSOLUTE, UM, UH, METRICS AND GOALS THAT WE NEED TO WORK TOWARDS TOWARDS ELIMINATING ANY DISPARITIES, ANY DISPROPORTIONALITIES THAT ARE THE RESULT OF OFFICER'S INDEPENDENT ACTIONS BY USE OF THEIR DISCRETION.

SO AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE DATA, THEN THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO BE BENCHMARKING.

AND I THINK WORKING WITH THE GROUP THAT DID THIS REPORT ALONG WITH, UM, MS. OLIVETTE US, I THINK THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER SOME BENCHMARKS THAT TRACK THAT.

AND THEN I ALSO THINK HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND I KNOW THERE'S WORK BEING DONE BY THE RE-IMAGINED TASKFORCE IN THIS SPACE AS WELL, HEARING FROM THEM, WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN REGARDS TO THIS TOPIC SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT THE BENCHMARKS THAT ARE BENEFICIAL TO US AS THE ADMINISTRATORS OVER THE ORGANIZATION ARE EITHER INCLUSIVE OF THOSE THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS OR SUPPLEMENT THOSE THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.

THAT'S SORT OF MY CONCERN THAT, THAT LAST BIT OF SENTIMENT THAT YOU SHARED, THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN.

YOU SAID, BENEFICIAL TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND, OR SUPPLEMENT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.

AND SO WHEN I HEAR ACCEPTABLE BENCHMARKS, I REALLY JUST, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SOMETHING TANGIBLE.

UM, UH, CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO ASK YOU TO COME UP WITH THAT NOW, BUT IT'S SOMETHING I LIKE VERY MUCH TO, TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW.

UM, AND IT, I THINK IN THEORY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF LIKE A COMMUNITY REQUEST, IT'S NOT SUPPLEMENTAL, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S WORKING IN DIRECT CONJUNCTION WITH IT'S A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE ONE GETS THE BENEFIT, THE OTHER GETS THE SUPPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S KINDA HOW IT SOUNDS.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT THE SENTIMENT.

UM, THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS ABOUT RACIAL PROFILING, UM, IN THE TRAINING ACADEMY, IS THERE A MODULE, IS THERE SOME COVERAGE OF, OF RACIAL PROFILING IT'S AFFECTS AND IN THE TRAINING ACADEMY? SO I WILL SAY YES, THAT IT'S COVERED, BUT WITHOUT GETTING OVER MY SKIS ON THIS, I WOULD PREFER TO FOLLOW UP AND GIVE YOU THE SPECIFICS ON EXACTLY HOW IT'S COVERED IN AND WHERE IT'S COVERED.

UM, SO THAT I CAN BE SPECIFIC TO WHAT THE CURRICULUM IS ON THAT TOPIC.

UM, BUT RIGHT NOW I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO COVER WITH THE CADETS, BUT I CAN GET YOU MORE SPECIFICS ONCE I FOLLOW UP WITH THE INSTRUCTOR.

THE AUDIT THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT.

I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW IT'S COVERED, WHERE IT'S COVERED, HOW MUCH TIME IS SPENT ON IT.

I MEAN, IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU SIT AT, YOU SPEND A HALF HOUR ON AND THEN KEEP MOVING.

I'D BE CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

I'D ALSO BE CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THIS DATA THAT FOLKS ARE WORKING SO HARD TO PRODUCE WILL BE INCLUDED IN FUTURE CADET CLASS CONSIDERATIONS, YOU KNOW, JUST SO THEY CAN SORT OF SEE HOW WE GOT HERE AND SEE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO HEAD.

I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO INCLUDE THIS DATA IN THESE KINDS OF REPORTS, THE TATUM REPORT, THE, YOU KNOW,

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I THINK THEY SHOULD KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE DEPARTMENT, UM, AS IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO GET FUTURE CADETS EVERYWHERE AND THEN WHERE WE'RE HEADED, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL INFORMATION, CERTAINLY AS WE CONTINUE TO DO THIS WORK, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I KNOW THOSE OF US ON THE COMMITTEE, YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP DIGGING INTO THIS.

UM, OBVIOUSLY WORKING WITH THE CHIEF AND FARRAH, BRIAN IS, IS THE EQUITY OFFICE KIND OF ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING IN THIS WORK MOVING FORWARD? OR SHOULD WE KEEP LOOPING YOU IN AS COUNCIL MEMBERS DO THIS WORK, WE ARE ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING, BUT ALWAYS LOOP US IN AS WELL.

AND, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT INTO SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS THAT WE ARE WORKING TO COMPLETE, UM, TO GET OUT OUR FIRST REPORT ON THE FIRST FIVE DIVISIONS OF ATZ THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH, UH, THE RACIAL EQUITY ASSESSMENT PROCESS.

AND ONE OF THOSE DIVISIONS IS THE TRAINING DIVISION.

AND SO IT CAN BE A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO COME BACK AND DISCUSS SOME OF THE FINDINGS AND HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS AROUND SOME OF THE RESULTS.

SO THE FIRST EQUITY ASSESSMENT TOOL, WHICH I THINK SORT OF REALLY CONNECTS WELL TO, YOU KNOW, TO THE BODY OF DATA, THAT'S THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TOO, AND HOW WE START TO MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN IT ALL.

THANK YOU, BRIAN, WHAT WAS THE TIMING OF THAT, BRIAN? SO WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THAT DRAFT BY THE OUT, BY THE END OF THE MONTH OR THAT, UH, THE FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THE SIDE.

THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING.

UH, SORRY, SORRY, JUST TO CLOSE OUT ON THIS THING, BECAUSE YOU POINTED OUT THE TABLEAU THING AND I'VE BEEN CLICKING ON IT A LITTLE BIT FOR A MOMENT HERE.

SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD BE REALLY USEFUL WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, YOU, I THINK IT IS AGAIN, I'VE ONLY LOOKED AT IT FOR TWO MINUTES, BUT I THINK IT IS SHADED TO HIGHLIGHT WHERE THERE ARE A LOT OF BLACK AND LATINO STOPS.

HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK IT'S ACTUALLY SHADED, BUT YOU HAVE TO CLICK THROUGH TO FIND WHERE THERE'S HIGHER DISPROPORTIONALITY OF BLACK AND LATINO STOPS RELATIVE TO THE POPULATION OF THAT ZIP CODE.

SO IT WOULD, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY USEFUL.

I'M NOT GOING TO CALL OUT ANY PARTICULAR ZIP CODES HERE.

JUST SOMETHING JUST QUICK WAS SO QUICKLY LOOKING AT IT, BUT THERE WERE SOME ZIP CODES WHERE IT SEEMED LIKE THE BLACK AND LATINO POPULATION WAS VERY LOW, BUT THE NUMBER OF BLACK AND LATINO STOPS RELATIVE TO THAT REALLY LOW AMOUNT, IT WAS CONSIDERABLE.

IT WASN'T SO MANY COMPARED TO SAY A BLACK OR LATINO NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE IT'S PRIMARILY THOSE FOLKS LIVING THERE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY USEFUL TO HAVE A MAP OR SOME LEVEL OF INFORMATION ABOUT HOW DISPROPORTIONATE THE STOPS ARE RELATIVE TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.

THAT WOULD BE PRETTY FASCINATING TO DIG INTO THIS AND REALIZE THAT PERHAPS THE DISPROPORTIONALITY IS NOT HAPPENING WHERE WE THINK IT'S HAPPENING.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT.

THANK YOU, BRIAN AND FARRAH AND CARRIE KIM FOR ALL OF YOUR EXCELLENT DATA ANALYTICS WORK, UH,

[4. Briefing and discussion on changes to Austin Police Department General Orders and processes in response to 20200611-095. ]

IF, UH, MY LAPTOP WILL PARTICIPATE AND NOT LOCK UP ON ME.

UM, WE WERE SENT ON ITEM FOUR.

WE WERE SENT THE, THE POLICY CHANGES, UH, EARLY THIS MORNING.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY I WAS HOPEFUL THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET THAT INFORMATION AT SOME POINT IN THE LAST WEEK, SO THAT, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND ASK QUESTIONS AND GET A LITTLE MORE CLARITY SO THAT THIS MEETING COULD BE MORE PRODUCTIVE.

UM, SINCE THAT DID NOT HAPPEN, UH, IN, IN TIME, THEN I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS DISCUSSION TO, UH, WHAT, WHAT MIGHT BE A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING, UH, BEFORE THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, SO THAT WE CAN DIG INTO THIS WHEN WE'VE ALL HAD SUFFICIENT TIME TO REVIEW THAT'S MEMBER.

CASSARA YOU MAKE THAT MOTION? YOU HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION.

THAT'S WHEN BARBARA MADISON, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS, ON, UH, POSTPONING ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

SURE.

I'D LIKE TO, UH, TALK ABOUT IT BRIEFLY.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE RESOLUTION DOES REQUIRE THAT WE HAVE, UM, UH, COUNCIL FEEDBACK BEFORE THESE CHANGES ARE MADE.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE CAN'T GIVE THAT FEEDBACK TODAY, SO WE CAN'T MAKE CHANGES, BUT, UM, BUT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND FOR THERE TO BE PUBLIC DISCUSSION, THE PUBLIC HAS TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO READ IT, FRANKLY, THE COUNCIL HAS TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ IT.

UH I'M UH, I THINK IT IS FRUSTRATING

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THAT, UM, WE WOULD TO GET IT, UH, GET THOSE POLICY, UH, IDEAS HERE TODAY BECAUSE THAT GIVES AN ADEQUATE TIME FOR THE DIOCESE TO REVIEW THEM.

AND FRANKLY MAKES IT CLOSE TO IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW IT AT OUR, AT A RECENT, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING.

UH, THE SAME ISSUE, UM, OCCURRED WHERE I BELIEVE WE RECEIVED A MEMO AT 11 IN THE MORNING WHEN WE WERE HAVING AN EARLY AFTERNOON, UH, COUNCIL MEETING.

AND I, I THINK THAT ALL OF OUR APARTMENTS SHOULD BE CAPABLE OF GETTING THE INFORMATION TO, TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THE COUNCIL, UH, IN TIME FOR US TO, TO, UH, REVIEW THESE ISSUES.

THIS WAS A RESOLUTION WE PASSED BACK IN JUNE, AND IT IS IMPORTANT, I THINK FOR US IN DECEMBER TO, TO GIVE FEEDBACK SO THAT CHANGES CAN BE IMPLEMENTED.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I, I THINK AND HOPE THAT THIS DEPARTMENT LIKE OTHERS, UH, SHOULD GET ITS, UH, GET ITS, UH, DOCUMENTS, UH, OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND TIME FOR FRIDAY.

GOOD REVIEW.

I THINK IT'S A PERFECTLY FAIR EXPECTATION AND THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD POSTPONE THIS ON ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

THEN WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE WILL POSTPONE ITEM FOUR TO A FUTURE MEETING AND, UM, VICE CHAIR, CASSARA, WE'LL FIGURE OUT IF WE WANT TO DO THAT AS A SPECIAL CALL BEFORE THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR OR NOT.

SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A COMMITTEE MEETING ALREADY SCHEDULED IN DECEMBER, SO WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT DO THAT.

AND MAYOR, UH, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO AT A WORK SESSION FROM ONE OF OUR LAST TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS TO YOU.

THAT MIGHT ALSO BE AN OPTION WE CAN KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHERE IS BEST TO DO THAT.

[5. Briefing and discussion on Austin Police Department staffing. ]

THEY HAD FOR 2016, THE YEAR THEY WERE HIRED WAS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE 797 POSITIONS ON PATROL BASED ON THEIR ANALYSIS OF CALL LOAD.

LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR FINAL ITEM, UH, DISCUSSION ON, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, STAFFING PLAN, CHIEF MAMI, WHY DON'T YOU, UH, START US OFF AND THEN WE CAN HAVE SOME CONVERSATION CERTAINLY, AND I'M MINDFUL OF THE TIME.

SO I'LL, UH, I'LL, I'LL KIND OF HIT THE HIGH POINTS HERE, SO THAT THERE'S TIME FOR QUESTIONS.

UH, AND, AND I DON'T NEED IT ALL UP.

SO, UH, JUST AS, AS A WAY OF, OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, UM, THE AUTHORIZED STRENGTH OF THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT PRE-BUDGET WAS 1959 AND NOW WE'RE AT 1809.

SO THE AUTHORIZED STRENGTH RIGHT NOW IS 1,809 POSITIONS.

AND WE HAVE ROUGHLY 45 VACANCIES IN THE DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW, UM, BASED ON THE, UH, INCREASING NUMBERS OF RETIREMENTS AND RESIGNATIONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING, UH, TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON AVERAGE, OUR ATTRITION RATE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS HOVERING AROUND 77 AND A HALF DUE TO RETIREMENTS, RESIGNATIONS, OR TERMINATIONS.

UH, THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE'VE SEEN THAT A SPIKE TO 15 AND OUR AVERAGE YEAR TO DATE IS 13.

SO THIS ISN'T JUST A RECENT PAST COUPLE OF MONTH ISSUE.

WE'RE SEEING A MUCH HIGHER ATTRITION RATE.

AND, UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT CHALLENGES US AS WE MOVE FORWARD INTO NEXT YEAR, AS YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK, THAT IF THAT ATTRITION WEIGHT WERE TO CONTINUE, AND IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET THIS MARCH CADET CLASS UNDERWAY, AS EVERYONE'S WORKING SO HARD TOWARDS, WE WOULD STILL HAVE ANOTHER EIGHT MONTHS WITHOUT HAVING ANY NEW ADDITIONS TO THE DEPARTMENT.

SO DURING THAT ROUGHLY 12 MONTH PERIOD, WE COULD SEE ANYWHERE FROM A HUNDRED AND 150 TO 180 ADDITIONAL VACANCIES.

IF WE DON'T SEE THAT A RATE TAPER OFF.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE VERY CONSCIOUS OF RIGHT NOW.

UM, OUR, OUR, I GUESS W WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, THE STAFFING LEVEL, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW DO YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE RIGHT NUMBER OF OFFICERS TO HAVE ON A PATROL, UH, OUT ON PATROL? HOW DOES A COMMUNITY MAKE THAT DECISION, UM, WITHOUT SPENDING THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION ON HISTRIONICS? WE ALL KNOW WE USED TO HAVE A METHOD BY WHICH WE JUST DID TWO OFFICERS PER THOUSAND, BUT FOR MANY REASONS, WE GOT AWAY FROM THAT.

WE WENT TO THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TIME AND, AND BACK IN 2016, WE RECEIVED A REPORT FROM THE MATRIX, UH, CORPORATION ON STAFFING.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE, UM, THEY, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE PROBABLY DONE THE MOST RECENT, DEEP DIVE INTO THE DATA TO LOOK AT STAFFING.

THEY ACTUALLY PULL ALL OF OUR CAD DATA FOR EVERY CALL FROM SERVICE FROM MARCH 1ST, 2015, THROUGH FEBRUARY 29TH, 2016, THEY PULLED A YEAR'S WORTH OF DATA, ALL THE CALLS, AND THEY MAPPED IT OUT.

AS FAR AS HOW MUCH TIME OFFICERS WERE SPENDING ON CALLS.

THEREFORE, HOW MUCH DOWNTIME DID THEY HAVE? HOW MUCH TIME DID THEY HAVE TO CONDUCT COMMUNITY POLICING? AND WITH THAT MINIMUM THRESHOLD THAT THEY SAID SHOULD BE AT 35%, THAT BECAME OUR BENCHMARK.

SO THAT WAS THE METHODOLOGY THEY USED IS BY ANALYZING A YEAR'S WORTH OF DATA TO SEE WHERE ARE WE SPENDING OUR TIME AND WHERE MIGHT WE HAVE EXTRA TIME? AND WHERE MIGHT WE HAVE TIME THAT, UH, UNFORTUNATELY CALLS ARE EXCEEDING THE, UH, THE DEMAND THEY DID DO A STAFFING STUDY IN THEIRS.

AND WHAT THEY HAD DOWN WAS THE, UM, THE STAFFING RECOMMENDATION

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AND THEN THEY DID FORWARD PROJECTIONS THROUGH THE YEAR 2020, AND WITHOUT WASTING TIME, YEAR BY YEAR, WHEN YOU GET TO 2020, THEIR ESTIMATE BASED ON THE GROWTH OF THE CITY AND THE ESTIMATED GROWTH IN CALLS WAS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE 863 POSITIONS ON FRONTLINE PATROL.

AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE 773 POSITIONS ASSIGNED TO PATROL.

SO WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

WE'RE 90 SHORT OF WHAT THEY THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ON PATROL, BUT THEN EMPHASIZES THE NEED FOR US TO DO WHAT WE PUT IN PLACE A FEW MONTHS AGO.

AND THAT IS ROTATING OFFICERS BACK TO PATROL SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN AT LEAST THE STAFFING LEVEL OF 773, TO KEEP UP WITH CALL, LOAD, CALL RESPONSE TIMES.

UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REIMAGINATION PROCESS, IF WE DO SEE SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE DO NOW MOVED ELSEWHERE TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY, THEN WE MIGHT SEE THAT NEED FOR OFFICERS IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER DECREASE, BUT THAT HAS NOT YET HAPPENED.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ENSURE THAT WE KEEP ENOUGH OFFICERS ON THE FRONT LINE.

SO WE DID ELIMINATE 150 POSITIONS FROM THE DEPARTMENT FROM ALL THOSE SPECIALIZED UNITS THAT I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF.

AND WHEN WE ELIMINATED THE 150 POSITIONS THAT FREED UP 95 OFFICERS, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS WERE VACANT, OBVIOUSLY.

SO THOSE 95 WILL GO BACK TO PATROL JUST TO KEEP US AT THAT LEVEL OF STAFFING SO THAT WE CAN HANDLE WHAT IS OUR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY.

AND THAT IS RESPONDING TO THOSE EMERGENCY CALLS FOR SERVICE.

IF THIS ATTRITION RATE KEEPS AT THE DOOR, THE LEVEL THAT IT'S AT RIGHT NOW, I EXPECT WE WILL BE TRANSFERRING MORE OFFICERS BACK TO PATROL IN THOSE MONTHS, LEADING UP TO WHENEVER WE CAN GET ANOTHER CONNECT CLASS TO GRADUATE.

SO WE'RE PAYING VERY CLOSE ATTENTION, UM, TO, TO THOSE NUMBERS, THE METHODOLOGY THAT WE USE WHEN WE DECIDED WHERE WE WERE GOING TO PULL OFFICERS FROM, UH, THE FIRST THING THAT WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT THOSE AREAS THAT WERE PERFORMING FUNCTIONS, ALTHOUGH VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY WERE FUNCTIONS THAT A PATROL OFFICER COULD PERFORM.

WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH DRINKING AND DRIVING AND FATALITY CRASHES IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE'VE HAD A, WE HAVE A LARGE DWI CONTINGENCY HERE AT THE DEPARTMENT, BUT WHAT WE DID IS WE ENDED UP CUTTING THAT OUT UNIT AND HALF SINCE ON-DUTY PATROL OFFICERS CAN ALSO ENFORCE DWI LAWS.

EVERY PARK LIES WITHIN A PATROL DISTRICT THAT HAS A PATROL OFFICER ASSIGNED SO THAT OFFICER CAN RESPOND TO CALLS IN THE PARK, OR AS AN IF TIME ALLOWS DO PROACTIVE WORK IN THOSE PARKS.

THAT WAS THE FIRST AREA THAT WE LOOKED AT REALLY WAS THOSE AREAS WHERE OFFICERS OR CONDUCTING WORK THAT PATROL COULD KIND OF PICK UP THE WORKLOAD IF THEY HAD TO, WE THEN LOOKED AT THOSE AREAS THAT ARE IMPORTANT, BUT THAT COULD BE MAYBE CONDUCTED BY SOMEBODY ELSE, SUCH AS SECURITY AT MUNICIPAL COURT.

AGAIN, I KNOW THEY VERY MUCH WANT TO HAVE AUSTIN POLICE OFFICER IN THE COURTROOM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THAT IS WORK THAT COULD BE DONE BY A PRIVATE SECURITY FIRM OR SOME OR OTHER SECURITY PERSONNEL, SINCE WE SO DESPERATELY NEED THE OFFICERS ON THE FRONTLINE.

SO WE THEN WENT THROUGH THAT NEXT CUT OF WHERE DO WE HAVE OFFICERS DOING WORK THAT SOMEONE ELSE COULD BE HERE POTENTIALLY TO COME IN AND DO THAT WORK.

AND THEN IT REALLY GOT TO NOW, WE'VE JUST GOT TO MAKE THE TOUGH DECISIONS OF WHERE ELSE ARE WE GOING TO PULL OFFICER'S FROM? AND YEAH, AND THE DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE UNIT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT ONE FOR US BECAUSE IN THIS DAY, WHEN WE'RE FOCUSING ON COMMUNITY POLICING, THAT IS ONE OF OUR KEY AREAS WHERE WE'RE DOING THAT.

BUT THE MATRIX REPORT BACK IN 16 HAD ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO THIS AND WE DIDN'T DO IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO.

BUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED A PROGRAM WHERE, ALTHOUGH WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE DR UNIT, AS WE HIRE CADETS INTO THE DEPARTMENT, AND AS THEY'RE WAITING FOR THEIR CONNECT CLASS TO BEGIN, WE'RE GOING TO WORK TO OFFER THEM TEMPORARY JOBS IN THE DR UNITS SO THAT THEY WILL BE EXPOSED TO THE COMMUNITY POLICING SIDE OF THE DEPARTMENT, WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNITY, THE OUTREACH GROUPS, BEFORE THEY EVER EVEN REACHED THE ACADEMY.

WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR US, ALL OF THEM, BUT THAT'S JUST A WAY WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND AT LEAST MAKE ENHANCEMENTS OUT OF SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE COMING OUR WAY.

SO LET ME WRAP HERE JUST REAL QUICK, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M ON TARGET WITH WHAT YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT AND THEN LEAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS, BUT WE'RE PAYING VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THE VACANCY RATE AND WITH THE ATTRITION RATE THAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THE NINE ONE, ONE CALLS FOR SERVICE IN A MANNER THAT OUR COMMUNITY BOTH DESERVES AND EXPECTS.

AND AS WE WORK THROUGH THE REIMAGINATION CONVERSATION, IF WORKLOAD SHIFTS AWAY FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO OTHER EITHER CITY, ENTITIES OR GROUPS, THEN THAT MIGHT MINIMIZE SOME OF THE DEMANDS ON US.

AND THEN WE WOULD MAKE ADJUSTMENTS

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ACCORDINGLY.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU LAYING THAT OUT.

UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, THERE'S OFTEN A LOT OF MEDIA COVERAGE ABOUT EVERY LITTLE DECISION THAT'S BEING MADE AND, UM, IT'S REASSURING TO KNOW THAT JUST BECAUSE A UNIT WAS SHIFTED TO PATROL, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE NAME OF THAT UNIT IS NO LONGER BEING POLICED.

IT JUST IT'S BEING DONE THROUGH PATROL RESOURCES AND THE DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY.

SO, UM, SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE SEEING REPORTS THAT, OH, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO DWI ENFORCEMENT ANYMORE.

WELL, THAT'S NOT TRUE.

IT'S JUST HAPPENS AS PART OF THE PATROL, UH, PATROL WORK.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S VERY REASSURING TO HEAR.

UM, I'M, I'M KIND OF EXCITED TO HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT THE MATRIX REPORT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I CAME ONTO THE COUNCIL RIGHT IN 2017.

IT WAS ALMOST RIGHT AFTER THAT REPORT CAME OUT AND I SPENT SOME TIME READING THROUGH IT.

I'M REREADING IT NOW TO MAKE SURE I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN IT A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER.

UH, AND THE COMMUNITY POLICING TARGET AT 35%, AS SHE SAID, AS IDENTIFIED IN THE METRO REPORT IN THE, THE, THE DASHBOARDS THAT, UH, STAFF, THE SD 23 DASHBOARDS THAT THEY GAVE US, IT SHOWS THAT THE 2019 RATE WAS 28%.

SO IT'S LESS THAN 35, BUT IT'S NOT ZERO.

LIKE, LIKE WE'RE NOT DOING THAT BAD WHEN IT COMES TO THAT KIND OF, UH, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

IF, IF THAT'S THE QUESTION, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ONGOING WORK I WANT US TO DO.

AND WE'LL PROBABLY DO SOME OF IT KIND OF YOU AND I ONE-ON-ONE AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ONE-ON-ONE, BUT GETTING A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OFFICERS W WHAT IT IS THAT THEY DO DURING THAT 35% OF TIME, OR THE 28% OF TIME, ACCORDING TO THE 2019 SD 23.

SO THAT IT'S CLEARER TO ME THAT THAT UNCOMMITTED TIME IS THAT SUPPOSED, IS THAT BETTER DONE DURING THE DAY, BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE ARE AROUND AND THERE'S MORE COMMUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH, IS THAT BETTER DONE OVERNIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF A PATROL FUNCTION AND YOU'RE JUST KIND OF LIKE EYES ON THE STREET.

I THINK THERE'S AN INFORMATION GAP FOR ME ABOUT WHAT THE ACTUAL WORK LOOKS LIKE DURING THAT TIME.

AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE THAT WAS IN THE MATRIX REPORT THAT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT.

I REMEMBER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT BACK IN 2017.

I, I RE IT'S ONE OF THE TIMES I CAN REMEMBER HAVING A MEETING IN MY OFFICE.

IT SEEMS LIKE A MILLION YEARS AGO, BUT, UM, THERE'S A, UH, A NEW CLASSIFICATION OF RESPONDER CALLED A COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICER.

THAT'S IDENTIFIED IN THE MATRIX REPORT AS A CIVILIAN.

AND I REMEMBER YOU AND I TALKING ABOUT THAT AND THERE BEING SOME, SOME KIND OF WORK TO BE DONE AROUND WHAT, WHAT THOSE ROLES COULD BE IN THE CONTEXT OF STATE LAW.

AND IT'S NOT QUITE CLEAR IF THE MATRIX REPORT ACCOMMODATED STATE LAW IN THEIR ANALYSIS OR THEIR RECOMMENDATION RUN THOSE CIVILIAN POSITIONS.

AND EVEN THEN, I THINK IT WAS 12 TO 15.

IT WASN'T LIKE A HUNDRED CIVILIANS 12.

YES, SIR.

IT WAS 12.

ABOUT THE DRS, UM, AND WANTING TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING THAT I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN, IN RENEWING A CONVERSATION AROUND, UM, BECAUSE, UH, OBVIOUSLY THAT IS GOING TO BE AN AREA OF RECRUITMENT THAT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND A LITTLE MORE STREAMLINED THAN RECRUITING AND TRAINING AND LAUNCHING SWORN OFFICERS.

UM, THAT'S, THAT'S MORE WORK FOR US TO DO, BUT I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT THERE'S SOMEWHAT OF A GUIDING PRINCIPLE ROOTED IN THE MATRIX REPORT.

AND THAT HELPS ME KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE, AS, AS I'M KIND OF DOING MY WORK AND WE'RE ALL DOING OUR WORK AND YOU'RE DOING YOURS.

AND AS I OFTEN HAVE TO REMIND THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, THE CHIEF DOES HAVE SOME INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY IN STATE LAW.

AND SO WE HAVE TO BE PARTNERS IN THIS WORK BECAUSE IT'S NOT A TYPICAL ORGANIZATION WHERE THERE'S A BOSS AND EVERYBODY WORKS FOR THE BOSS.

THAT'S NOT HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS, WHERE Y'ALL GOT TO WORK TOGETHER.

UM, SO, SO THAT, THAT PART MAKES ME FEEL BETTER THAT, THAT A LOT OF THE OFFICERS, OR, OR SOME SIGNIFICANT AREAS THAT I THINK WAS GETTING A LOT OF IMMEDIATE ATTENTION, IT'S NOT WHAT THE WAY IT WAS BEING REPORTED.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO, TO TRY AND EXPEDITE GETTING CADET CLASSES PROVIDED.

WE CAN GET THE TRAINING WE LIKE AND THE PROCESSES AND ALL THAT STUFF FIGURED OUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S IN MARCH.

I THINK YOU'LL FIND A VARIETY OF OPINIONS ABOUT THE LIKELIHOOD OF MARCH, BUT, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, WHERE MY HEAD IS AT.

AND, UH, I THINK WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE SPENDING A LOT MORE TIME DIGGING INTO CALL DIVERSION AS A METRIC IN YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

THAT WAY, AS WE'RE MAKING OUR DECISIONS ON THE BUDGET SIDE, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UM, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE AS PREDICTABLE AS POSSIBLE FOR EACH OTHER, WHICH I THINK IS JUST, UH, AN ESSENTIAL WAY TO MOVE FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN BE KNOW, AS WE WORK WITH STAFF, AS WE WORK WITH FOLKS ON WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM, THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME LEVEL OF PREDICTABILITY WITH HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT, UH, THE DEPARTMENT AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

ANYBODY WANT TO, UH, I MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF ON SEVEN CLINT COUNCIL MEMBER KITCHEN.

UM, THANK YOU.

UM, CHIEF, I WANTED TO TALK SOME MORE

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YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IF I, IF I HEARD YOU RIGHT.

THAT THERE WAS SOME REDUCTION IN THE DRS, NOT REDUCTION'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT SOME MOVING OUT OF DRS INTO PATROL, IF I UNDERSTOOD THAT, RIGHT.

SO I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT ALSO, I WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT SOME BECAUSE, UH, AND GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE, UH, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, THAT THE DR.

D OUR ROLE IS A CRITICAL ROLE WITH REGARD TO COMMUNITY POLICING IN THE SENSE THAT THE DRS ARE THE, ARE THE P THE POINT OF CONTACT, UH, FOR NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, ABOUT WHAT, UH, WHAT MAY BE MORE SYSTEMIC THAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR AREA.

SO I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, THINKING THAT THE DR ROLE IS ONE THAT COULD BE DONE BY A PATROL OFFICER.

AND THAT MAY NOT BE WHAT YOU SAID, CAUSE I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID, BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN TERMS OF THE RATIONALE FOR THE OTHER AREAS, IN WHICH THERE WAS, UM, A MOVE OF OFFICERS BACK INTO PATROL.

I JUST DON'T SEE THAT AS THE SAME FOR DRS, BUT, BUT WHY DON'T YOU, UM, THAT HELPED ME UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT YOU WERE, WHAT THE THINKING IS ABOUT THE DRS, CERTAINLY.

AND NO, WE DID CUT THE DR.

UNIT IN HALF.

THESE CHANGES WILL REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DRS IN THE CITY IN HALF, AND IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION TO MAKE, BUT WE WERE FORCED WITH HAVING TO MAKE VERY DIFFICULT DECISIONS BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS IF WE HAD OFFICERS PERFORMING WORK THAT WAS NOT IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY REALLY ANYWHERE IN THE DEPARTMENT.

AND SO IT WAS LOOKING AT THOSE AREAS WHERE WE HAD OFFICERS PERFORMING WORK THAT WAS NOT FRONTLINE RESPONDING TO NINE ONE, ONE CALLS FOR SERVICE.

AND ONCE WE GOT THROUGH THOSE FIRST TWO TIERS, THE FIRST TIER BEING WORK THAT COULD BE DONE BY THE ON-DUTY PATROL OFFICER.

AND, UH, ALTHOUGH BEYOND DUTY PATROL OFFICER WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT, NOT HAVING DEDICATED OFFICERS TO DO IT WILL IMPACT THAT SERVICE LEVEL, BUT IT COULD STILL BE DONE.

AND THEN THE SECOND LEVEL WORK THAT COULD BE DONE BY OTHERS, SUCH AS MUNICIPAL COURT SECURITY, AS I TALKED ABOUT IN SOME OTHER AREAS, WE THEN GOT TO WHERE WE WERE HAVING TO LOOK AT AREAS OF THE DEPARTMENT THAT ARE CRITICAL AND THE DISTRICT REPS WAS ONE.

BUT WE ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LIST THAT WE HAD WITH LOOKING AT OUR CRIMINAL INTERDICTION UNITS, UH, NARCOTICS, GANG OFFICERS, THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY PLACES WE CAN PULL OFFICERS FROM.

AND WITH HAVING TO REMOVE 150 POSITIONS FROM THE DEPARTMENT, WE HAD TO GO INTO THESE UNITS THAT, UH, ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THAT WE UNFORTUNATELY HAD TO REMOVE POSITIONS FROM.

SO THE MATRIX CORPORATION, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER BACK IN 2016, THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO CUT OUR PROGRAM IN HALF AND TO HIRE CIVILIANS INTO THOSE ROLES.

BECAUSE SOME OF THE WORK THAT DRS DO NEEDS TO BE DONE BY A COMMISSIONED OFFICER, BUT SOME COULD BE DONE BY A CIVILIAN.

UH, WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT IN 2016 BECAUSE THESE POSITIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO US AND VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO WE DIDN'T, AND WE'VE HELD ONTO THOSE POSITIONS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE CURRENT.

BUT AGAIN, FOR THE REASONS I'VE STATED, WE'RE NOW IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO CUT THOSE IN HALF AND, AND WE WILL DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE THE FUNCTIONS THAT THOSE DRS WERE DOING.

UH, WE'RE GOING TO, AS I SAID, SUPPLEMENT BEN TO THE BEST THAT WE CAN WITH INCOMING CADETS SO THAT THEY GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THAT SERVICE ORIENTED, UM, UH, MISSION THAT WE REALLY DO HAVE BEFORE THEY EVEN GET INTO THE ACADEMY.

UM, BUT THAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND, UM, PULLING THOSE OFFICERS.

SO LET ME ASK SOME UP QUESTIONS.

SO HOW MANY POSITIONS OUT OF DR.

I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.

HOW MANY, WHEN YOU SAY SPLIT IN HALF, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER HOW MANY POSITIONS THAT IS.

SO THE, THE DR.

UNITS, UM, ARE DONE IN THEIR, UM, IN, IN THE REGIONS AND THEY'LL HAVE EIGHT PER REGION AND WE WERE REDUCING FOUR PER REGION IS WHAT WE WERE DOING.

AND SO TOTAL IS THAT ABOUT, IS THAT ABOUT 16 PEOPLE? WELL, WE SHOULD HAVE 18 BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE BECAUSE OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA COMMAND AS WELL.

SO THERE'S ABOUT 18 SPOTS THAT, UH, WE'RE MOVING OUT OF DR.

INTO PATROL.

IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, I CAN, I CAN GIVE YOU THE EXACT NUMBER JUST TO MAKE SURE IT DOES.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S 18 THAT ARE GETTING PULLED FROM THE DR UNIT.

SO I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.

SO YOU PULLED 150 BECAUSE YOU WERE TRYING TO REACH THE 95 TO PATROL.

WE PULLED THE 150, BECAUSE AS A RESULT OF THE BUDGET THAT PASSED IN OCTOBER, WE HAD 150 POSITIONS REMOVED FROM THE DEPARTMENT.

SO I HAD TO REMOVE 150 POSITIONS OUT OF THE ORGANIZATION.

SO THIS WAS NOT JUST TO PUT OFFICERS BACK ON PATROL, EVEN IF WE WEREN'T NEEDING TO PUT OFFICERS BACK ON PATROL, I WOULD HAVE HAD TO ELIMINATE 150

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POSITIONS.

WELL, HERE'S MY QUESTION, CHIEF IS SO, UH, MY, MY QUESTION IS THAT THE, THE THINKING ABOUT 90 NEEDED ON PATROL IS BASED ON THE PROJECTIONS THAT THE METRICS REPORT MADE, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, IS THAT WHAT IT'S ALSO, IT'S ALSO BASED ON WHAT WE'RE, I THINK THAT THERE WAS MAYBE A BELIEF BY SOME THAT IF A POSITION WAS VACANT, IT WASN'T NEEDED.

AND ALTHOUGH WE HAD A LARGE NUMBER OF VACANCIES BACK WHEN THE HAD PASSED, WE WERE BACK FILLING MANY OF THOSE POSITIONS, MOST OF THOSE NIGHTS WITH OFFICERS ON OVERTIME AND MATT WAS JUST TO HANDLE THE CALL LOAD JUST TO KEEP UP WITH RESPONSE TIMES.

AND SO THESE 95, OR JUST TO KEEP PATROL AT A LEVEL WHERE BOTH THE COMMUNITY AND THE OFFICERS ARE SAFE WHILE THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOBS, AND WE ARE HAVING APPROPRIATE RESPONSE TIMES AND, AND, UM, AND, UH, ADEQUATE COVERAGE.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WASN'T UNDERSTANDING AND WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, IS THAT, IS THAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE DATA THAT'S DRIVING THE NUMBERS THAT YOU, THAT YOU MOVED INTO PATROL? UM, SO IT SOUNDS AT FIRST, I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING IT WAS THE MATRIX, UH, REPORTS, UH, PROJECTIONS, BUT, BUT I'M HEARING YOU NOW SAY THAT IT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, KEEPING UP YOUR, YOUR STANDARDS ON RESPONSE TIME.

IS THAT WHAT IT IS? SO THE MATRIX REPORT I WAS SPEAKING WITH, I THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER I WAS SPEAKING WITH THE CHAIR ABOUT THE MATRIX REPORT AS ESTABLISHING THE BASELINE FOR WHY IT IS, WE SAY THERE SHOULD BE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON PATROL MATRIX ACTUALLY DID A VERY IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS OF THE DATA TO SHOW HOW MANY OFFICERS ARE NEEDED OUT THERE JUST TO HANDLE THE CALLS I'M CHOOSING THE, THE 95, UH, AS A RESULT OF THERE ARE SO MANY VACANCIES PATROL THAT THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO MOVE THE OFFICERS TO, AND WITH ELIMINATING THE 150 POSITIONS THAT WE HAD TO ELIMINATE THOSE 95 THEN FILLED OUT THERE ON PATROL SO THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH OFFICERS AGAIN, TO RESPOND TO THE CALLS.

I'M SORRY, YOU'RE ON MUTE.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP ANY MORE TIME BECAUSE I KNOW OTHERS HAVE QUESTIONS THAT I MAY FOLLOW UP AFTERWARDS, BUT HERE'S MY QUESTION.

I TH I THINK THAT I REALLY SEE THE DRS ROLE IS VERY IMPORTANT IN THE COMMUNITY AND I, AND I SEE THEM, UH, AND I, AND I'M NOT QUITE CONVINCED YET FROM, BECAUSE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY WHICH DATA YOU'RE TYING THIS TO IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO MOVE INTO PATROL.

SO, UM, I'LL SEND YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THAT AND YOU CAN LET ME KNOW.

I MEAN, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO KEEP UP OUR STANDARDS FOR RESPONSE TIME IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THE PATROL OFFICERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR, BUT I'M WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE THAT THESE DECISIONS, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING OFFICERS OUT OF DR.

UH, THAT THE, THAT THESE POSITIONS THAT THE POSITIONS YOU'RE MOVING IN OR ARE NECESSARY TO MEET THE STANDARD, OR NOT JUST BASED ON A PROJECTION RELATED TO POPULATION.

SO, UM, SO I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH A, WITH A QUESTION.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP MORE TIME BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS, BIG ACCOUNTS, MEMBER KITCHEN.

IF YOU LOOK IN THE MATRIX REPORT, YOU CAN SEE AS TOWARDS THE END.

I THINK IT STARTS ON PAGE ONE 65, I THINK, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, DROPPING MAYBE SIX SWORN NEW RS AND REPLACING THEM WITH 12 CIVILIANS.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE MATRIX TALKED ABOUT BACK IN 2016.

I'M VERY, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE MATRIX REPORT.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, IT COULD MAKE SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND, AND, AND MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, SOME NON-SWORN OFFICERS.

UM, I'M NOT REALLY COMMENTING ON THAT.

I JUST THINK THAT THOSE POSITIONS TO BE FILLED BECAUSE THEY MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE, UH, IN NEIGHBORHOODS TO, TO, UH, AND THEY, AND WE WORK CLOSELY WITH DRS ON A WHOLE RANGE OF ISSUES AS YOU KNOW, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO, SO CHAIR, MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER CONVERSATION THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING.

THERE'S SOME DOLLARS IN THERE FOR SOME CIVILIAN POSITIONS.

SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION COUNCIL MEMBER.

I WAS MOSTLY LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW WHERE TO GO FIND THAT INFORMATION ON THE FORM.

SO THAT'S FINE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

GO AHEAD.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DEPTH THEY GO IN HERE.

PROBABLY NOT THAT MUCH, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS THE CONVERSATION THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE HAVING TODAY, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE DECISIONS I AM WHEN NEEDED TO BE DONE.

UH, BUT AS I READ THOUGH, THE WORK THAT YOU HAD DONE BACK IN AUGUST, WHEN YOU LAID THIS OUT CHEAP, UH, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT, UH, TAKING 150, UH, SPOTS OUT OF THE, UH, UH, UNITS AND MOVING THEM INTO PATROL, AS YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT HERE, UH, AND OVER, OVER A THIRD OF THOSE, UH, AT THE TIME IT WAS HAPPENING WERE, WERE ALREADY NOT

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ALREADY NOT FILLED.

UH, AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IS THAT, THAT, UH, WHILE, UH, A THIRD OF THE UNIT POSITIONS WEREN'T FILLED AT THAT POINT, ANYHOW, YOU'RE ABLE TO BACKFILL INTO THE PATROL AND BACK OF THE UNIT POSITIONS BY USING OVERTIME OR, AND, OR YOU WERE BACKFILLING INTO VACANCIES IN THE PATROL WITH A OVERTIME, IT WAS AVAILABLE TO YOU, UH, AND YOU WERE WORKING BOTH WITH THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS YOU HAVE, AND AS WELL AS WITH THE OVERTIME, UH, ALLOTMENT, UH, THAT YOU, THAT YOU HAVE, UH, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM, THAT'S CORRECT.

SO, SO PART OF IT IS IN TERMS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU NEED TO BOOT WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE TO, UH, IT DEPENDS TO A CERTAIN DEGREE ON HOW MUCH OVERTIME YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BACKFILL.

AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING.

MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WHEN YOU DID THIS, UH, THERE WERE TWO, UM, UH, SIGNIFICANT, UH, POTS OF MONEY THAT THE COUNCIL HAD EARMARKED FOR OVERTIME, UH, THAT, THAT YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU HAD ACCESS TO, OR, UH, WAS NOT AVAILABLE TO YOU, UH, OR YOU DIDN'T WANT TO USE, UH, ONE OF THOSE, WHEN WE, WHEN WE PUT OFF THE, UH, UH, CADET CLASS, UH, THE COUNSELOR HAD DISCUSSED AS WE WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, UH, ABOUT USING SOME OF THE SPOTS THAT WOULD BE FILLED UP BY NOT HAVING THAT CLASS WITH OFFICERS THAT COULD BE MOVED TO PATROL.

UH, AND ANOTHER ONE WAS, UH, OVERTIME, UH, SECOND SOURCE OF OVERTIME THAT THE COUNCIL HAD INTENDED FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO OTHERWISE SPECIFIC DOLLARS THAT WERE EARMARKED FOR OVERTIME AND WERE PARKED IN THE RE-IMAGINING COMPONENT OF THE, OF THE BUDGET, THE THIRD TIER, UH, IS THAT RIGHT? THOSE TWO POCKETS, YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT YOU HAD ACCESS OR AVAILABILITY TO CORRECT? THAT WAS THE, THERE WAS 3 MILLION, 174,000 IN THE REIMAGINATION FUND THAT WE BELIEVE WAS FOR WHATEVER THE RE-IMAGINED EFFORTS WERE GOING TO BE.

AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER 2 MILLION, $272,000.

THAT WAS THE EQUIVALENT OF THE CADET INSTRUCTOR SALARIES WITH THE BELIEF THAT WE WOULD JUST MOVE ALL OF THOSE CADET INSTRUCTORS BACK INTO PATROL, GIVEN THAT THERE WEREN'T TO BE ANY CONNECT CLASSES.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO, UM, AREAS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WHEN YOU WERE DOING THIS STAFFING PLAN, I THINK THE, THE ACCESS TO THAT $3,174,000 FOR OVERTIME GIVES US SOME FLEXIBILITY.

RIGHT.

SO, SO A LITTLE OVER $5 MILLION IN OVERTIME THAT THE COUNCIL HAD INTENDED FOR YOU TO HAVE ACCESS TO.

UH, WHEN I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE RECORD, UH, AND THE, AND THE TRANSCRIPT IN THIS, UH, SOME OF THAT STUFF WAS DISCUSSED EXPLICITLY.

UH, AND, AND THE COUNCIL SAID, HEY, TAKE THESE MONEY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE CLASSES.

YOU CAN MOVE SOME PEOPLE OUT TO PATROL.

UH, AND THEN WE PUT INTO THE RIDER, IF THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU ENOUGH OVER TIME TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION AND COME BACK TO US.

UH, SO I WOULD HAVE ANTICIPATED AND WOULD HOPE THAT IF THAT STOLLER'S, YOU DON'T THINK YOU CAN ACTUALLY PUT INTO OVERTIME THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD COME BACK TO THE, TO THE COUNCIL, TO, TO TALK ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO THE OVER $3 MILLION THAT WAS PUT INTO THE RE-IMAGINING FUND, THE RE-IMAGINING FIVE CONSISTENT OF THINGS THAT, THAT THE COUNCIL, UH, DIDN'T DISCUSS AT ALL ABOUT, UH, WHETHER OR NOT WE ACTUALLY WANTED TO CONTINUE THEM OR NOT.

WE CREATED A BUCKET OF THINGS THAT THEY SAID, HEY, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THESE THINGS.

SO WE GET, DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD BE CAUGHT BY THAT, UH, THE, THE LANGUAGE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE SPECIFICALLY ADDED IN THE RIDER, UH, THAT, UH, WE PASSED WHEN WE WERE DOING THE BUDGET.

SO I THINK THAT, AND THEN, AND THEN THE QUESTION CAME UP SPECIFICALLY, DID YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THAT THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO BE ABLE TO USE PRESENTLY, UH, TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS AS YOU NEEDED WITH RESPECT TO OVERTIME AND AT THE REQUEST OF, UH, THE COUNCIL, UH, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, I ENGAGED, I CAN'T REMEMBER DISCUSSION OF THAT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT, THAT, THAT OVER $3 MILLION WAS AVAILABLE TO YOU.

SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT IN AUGUST, YOU GAVE US A STAFFING PLAN THAT HAD PEOPLE MOVING OUT OF PATROL OUT OF UNITS AND INTO PATROL, UM, UM, RECOGNIZING THAT SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE MOVING OUT WEREN'T FILLED EVEN AT THAT TIME, BUT SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS WITH RESPECT TO WHAT YOU NEEDED TO DO IN PART DEPENDENT ON HOW MUCH OVERTIME YOU HAD AVAILABLE.

UH, AND, AND ONCE IT WAS CORRECTED AND REMINDED THAT THE COUNCIL HAD SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT OVER $3 MILLION OF THAT WAS AVAILABLE FOR OVERTIME AND PRESENTLY AVAILABLE FOR OVERTIME, UH, DOES NOT GIVE YOU MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN YOU THOUGHT THAT YOU HAD BACK IN AUGUST.

UM,

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BUT WITH THE VACANCY RATE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW OF ROUGHLY 45, THE INCREASED ATTRITION RATE OF 13 TO 15, IF WE DIDN'T TRANSFER ALL 95 OF THESE OFFICERS ON JANUARY 17TH, I BELIEVE WE'D BE TRANSFERRING THE BALANCE OF THEM BY MARCH, OR WE'D HAVE TO DO, WE'D HAVE TO EXTRAPOLATE THAT TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING SUCH A HIGH ATTRITION RATE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THAT.

AND THEN THAT THOSE DOLLARS ARE ALSO NEEDED FOR MANY OTHER FUNCTIONS WITHIN THE POLICE STATION, WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SUCH AS OFFICERS THAT NEED OVERTIME FOR GOING TO COURT OFFICERS THAT CAN HELD OVER ON LATE CALLS.

AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER USES FOR THOSE DOLLARS.

SO I, SO I HAVE THE WORK THAT YOU DID IN AUGUST, WHERE YOU LAID OUT IN PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DETAIL, WHAT IT WAS THAT YOU NEEDED TO DO BASED ON THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE WERE MAKING AT THE TIME, BASED ON WHAT YOU PERCEIVE TO BE THE VACANCY LEVEL PER PATROL SHIFT, AT WHICH POINT YOU WOULD THEN NEED TO ACTUALLY MOVE PEOPLE OUT OF UNITS, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE OVERTIME TO BE ABLE TO BACKFILL.

WHAT I HAVE NOT SEEN IS THAT SAME ANALYSIS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN AUGUST.

I, IF IT HAD BEEN POINTED OUT TO YOU THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY EARMARKED AN ADDITIONAL THREE TO FIVE PLUS MILLION DOLLARS FOR YOU TO HAVE AVAILABLE FOR OVERTIME.

UH, AND WHEN THAT INFORMATION THAT I'D HAVE POINTED THAT OUT TO, TO, UH, TO, UH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ARIANO AND TO THE MANAGER, UH, TOGETHER WITH SOME OF MY OTHER COLLEAGUES ON THE COUNCIL, UH, CAUSE IF I GAVE ADDITIONAL TIME, UH, TO BE ABLE TO DO STUFF FROM MID JANUARY AND TO MID MARCH OR BEYOND THAT GOT US INTO THE POSITION WHERE THE COUNCIL WOULD BE DOING, AS WE SET OUT TO DO THAT, MID-YEAR KIND OF RE-EVALUATION.

UH, SO THAT COULD BE IMPACTED BY THAT WORK.

THAT'S DONE.

THERE'S SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A JANUARY, JANUARY CALL DATE AND A MID MARCH ALL DAY IN TERMS OF THE COUNCIL BEING ABLE TO TAKE ACTION AS PART OF THAT REVIEW.

AND SINCE IN THE RIDER, WE SPECIFICALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE NOW GIVEN YOU AN ADDITIONAL $5 MILLION FOR OVERTIME, AND WE THINK THAT THAT'S SUFFICIENT FOR YOU.

IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT, WE SAID IN THE WRITER, PLEASE COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND TELL US THAT THE OVERTIME BUDGET THAT YOU HAVE IS NOT SUFFICIENT SO THAT THE COUNCIL COULD CONSIDER TAKING ACTION.

AND YOU HAVEN'T COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL YET TO, TO, TO DO THAT.

SO I DON'T NEED US NECESSARILY TO WORK THROUGH THIS AT THIS MEETING THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

UH, BUT I THINK THAT, UH, THERE'S A CONVERSATION TO BE HAD WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE STAFFING PLAN THAT WAS INTRODUCED IN AUGUST, BASED ON THE FAULTY ASSUMPTION WITH RESPECT TO THE OVERTIME DOLLARS THAT WERE AVAILABLE, CORRECTING THAT WITH WHAT THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY DID AND ALLOWING FOR THE CIRCUIT BREAKERS THAT WE ALLOW FOR WHEN WE DID THAT BUDGET MIGHT LEAD US TO A, TO A DIFFERENT PLACE.

AND THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT I KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR.

AND SEVERAL OF OUR COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR.

UH, AND, AND I GUESS, UH, NOT JUST DIRECTED TOWARD YOU, BUT TO, UH, UH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, UH ARIANO AND TO, UH, THE MANAGER, UH, UH, TO THE, UH, THAT'S A CONVERSATION I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE, BECAUSE APPARENTLY THERE WAS A, UH, MISTAKEN ASSUMPTION WITH RESPECT TO THE OVERTIME DOLLARS THAT WERE AVAILABLE.

UH, AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A FAIL SAVES, OR SHORT CIRCUIT BREAKERS THAT WE BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM, UH, SHOULD THAT OVERTIME NOT BE SUFFICIENT, NONE OF WHICH HAVE BEEN, HAVE BEEN EXERCISED YOU NOW, JUST BECAUSE THIS CONVERSATION CAME UP AND I HADN'T ANTICIPATED IT WAS GOING TO BE COMING UP HERE.

SURE.

AND JUST ONE RESPONSE, UH, I DO BELIEVE THAT 3.174 MILLION THAT'S IN THE REIMAGINATION FUND IS ACCESSIBLE TO US, BUT THE 2.272 MILLION WAS A REMOVAL FROM OUR BUDGET.

SO THOSE TWO POINT, UH, 2 MILLION, $272,000 WAS A ONE-TIME REMOVAL FROM OUR BUDGET.

BUT THE 3 MILLION, 174,000 IS DOLLARS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE AVAILABLE TO US TO USE FOR OVERTIME, AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER COST DRIVERS THAT WE HAVE WITH LATE CALLS AND, UM, AND COURT COSTS AND ALL OF THAT, RIGHT.

BY THE TIME YOU WERE DOING YOUR BUDGET IN AUGUST, YOU DID NOT THINK THAT WAS AVAILABLE THE 3.1 MILLION.

NO, NO MAYOR, THANK YOU.

RIGHT.

AND DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT.

WE'VE CERTAINLY HEARD THESE CONCERNS, WHETHER IT'S THE DRS OR ANY OF THE NUMBER OF OTHER UNITS THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THE CHIEF HAS HAD TO MAKE SOME SIGNIFICANT DECISIONS AROUND AS I'M UNDERSTANDING MOST OF THESE DECISIONS OR CHANGES WOULD BE HAPPENING IN JANUARY.

IN FACT,

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I'M NOT SURE THAT THE DRS ARE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE.

UH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER IS NOW THAT WE UNDERSTAND NOW THAT THAT 3.2 MILLION IN THE RE-IMAGINING FUND MAY BE AVAILABLE TO US.

I THINK HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH EVEN AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SEE HOW BEST TO FORMALIZE STAFF IF NEEDED.

AND THEN HE'S ASKED THE CHIEF DEPRIORITIZE WITH THAT FUNDING, YOU KNOW, HOW MIGHT WE MITIGATE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT HE'S HAD TO CONSIDER ALTER THEN COUNCIL MEMBER TOTAL.

WHAT WE'RE COUNTING, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS, SO I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO DEBATE OVER THE NUMBERS.

I'VE BEEN A PART OF THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH MAYOR ADLER SINCE AUGUST, AND I'M PLEASED TO HEAR CHIEF MANLEY RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S B MILLION DOLLARS, UM, WAS MADE AVAILABLE AND WAS THE INTENTION THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, UM, FOR OVER TIME, IF WHAT WAS IN THERE WAS NOT SUFFICIENT.

UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT MR. ARIANA, UM, SAID THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON A PLAN.

UM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE VERY CLEAR THAT SOME OF US HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS PLAN AND HOW IT MODIFIES THINGS FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

UM, AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT PLAN BECAUSE THOSE EXTRA COUPLE MONTHS REALLY DO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE BROADER POLICY AND BUDGET DISCUSSIONS THAT WE ARE HAVING.

UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ATTRITION RATE IS HIGHER, UM, THAN WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED THIS BACK IN AUGUST WHEN WE HAD RAISED THIS, UM, THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE PLAYED OUT IN THE SAME WAY.

UM, AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO KNOW FROM CHIEF MANLEY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WOULD HAVE THAT PLAN, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE ALSO DIFFERENCES, UM, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF COUNTS AND, YOU KNOW, I W I, WASN'T ALSO AWARE THAT THIS WAS THE FULL DISCUSSION WE WERE HAVING TODAY.

SO I DON'T HAVE MY NOTES ON HAND FOR THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT I THINK THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THIS TOO.

THE MAYOR MENTIONED THE 55 POSITIONS THAT WERE ALREADY NOT FILLED.

SO YOU'RE REALLY MOVING, YOU KNOW, 95 POSITIONS.

AND THEN THERE WAS, UM, OUT OF THOSE 95, YOU ARE ALREADY, EVEN BEFORE WE DID OUR BUDGET MOVING 40 TO 60 FOLKS.

UM, SO THE MARGINAL DIFFERENCE IS NOT THE MAGNITUDE THAT, UM, WE'RE BEING TOLD.

UM, AND THAT IS, THAT IS FRUSTRATING.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO GET THE PLAN WE BUILT IN, UM, THOSE CIRCUIT BREAKERS WITH RESPECT TO OVER TIME, WE ALSO BUILT INTO THE BUDGET OF BUDGET RIDER, WHERE WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT, UM, THE CADET CLASSES, UM, AND MOVING FORWARD AS SOON AS THE TRAINING WAS REVAMPED.

UM, AND THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING I WOULD CONTINUE TO LIKE US TO SEE MOVING FORWARD, IF WE CAN GET THOSE CURRICULUMS CHANGED AS NEEDED, UH, MEMBER ALTAR TO YOUR QUESTION.

UM, WE ARE PRIORITIZING THOSE POSITIONS THAT, UH, AGAIN, ALL FRONTLINE OFFICERS CANNOT, UH, CONDUCT AND IDENTIFIED 47 OF THEM.

THE COST TO DO THOSE 47 FULL-TIME YEAR ROUND ON OVERTIME IS GOING TO EXCEED $6 BILLION.

AND ON ANY GIVEN YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND BETWEEN 12 AND 14 TO 15 MILLION IN OVERTIME.

AND SO WITH THE 3.2 MILLION, I BELIEVE WE HAD IN OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR, PLUS THE ADDITIONAL 3.1 MILLION IN THE REIMAGINATION FUND, WORRIED ABOUT SAY 50% OF WHAT WE WOULD SPEND IN ANY YEAR ON OVERTIME, JUST TRYING TO OPERATE THE DEPARTMENT WITH ALL OF THE OVERTIME DRIVERS, WHETHER IT'S LATE CALLS, COURT COSTS, BACKFILL, AND THE LIKE, SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE REASONABLE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS WITH MOVING OFFICERS AND WHAT IS THE POSSIBILITY OF NOT HAVING TO MOVE THEM IF WE ADD SOME OVERTIME DOLLARS, BUT OUR OVERTIME EXPENDITURE IN ANY GIVEN YEAR, AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE THAT 12 TO 14, $15 MILLION.

AND RIGHT NOW, UH, EVEN USING THE REIMAGINATION FUNDS, WE'RE IN THE $6 MILLION RANGE.

SO IT'S A LARGE DELTA TO HAVE TO COVER.

AND AS OFFICERS CONTINUE TO LEAVE, IF THAT ATTRITION RATE CONTINUES, THEN, THEN THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE THE NEED TO POTENTIALLY MOVE MORE OFFICERS.

SO CHIEF, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME FROM, FROM MY NOTES RIGHT NOW.

UM, BUT I BELIEVE THERE ARE ALSO PORTIONS OF THAT OVERTIME THAT WERE IN THAT, YOU KNOW, 11, $12 MILLION OVER TIME BUDGET, WHICH WE STARTED FROM, UM, THAT WE'RE FROM THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SPECIAL EVENTS AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE PART OF THAT BUDGET.

AND SO WE JUST TO BE CAREFUL

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UM, BUT, BUT I THINK THAT THERE ARE PIECES OF THIS THAT ARE NOT FUNGIBLE.

I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THE NUMBERS ADD UP TO THE, TO THE 15, 16.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SAW LAST YEAR IN OUR BUDGET.

WE LOOKED VERY CAREFULLY WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING THINGS TO UNDERSTAND THE CHOICES THAT YOU WERE MAKING, UM, AT WHAT THE OVERTIME LEVELS WERE AND WERE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE MISCOMMUNICATION HAD HAPPENED AND NARROWED IT DOWN TO THE FACT THAT YOU HAD DECIDED THAT YOU NEEDED TO, UM, KEEP THOSE OFFICERS TRAINING PEOPLE, EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE NO CADETS THERE, UM, AS WELL AS CONCERNS OVER WHETHER YOU HAD ACCESS TO THE 3 MILLION.

UM, AND WE DID VERY CAREFULLY IN THE BUDGET.

WRITERS PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, YOU TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, UM, TO TALK TO US ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE OVERTIME.

UM, AND THERE'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION THERE.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

AND COUNCIL MEMBER, WE'RE KEEPING THE, JUST, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, WE'RE KEEPING THE INSTRUCTORS AT THE ACADEMY BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH WORK BEING DONE AT THE ACADEMY RIGHT NOW ON RE-IMAGINING TRAINING AND HOW WE'RE DOING TRAINING.

THEY NEED TO BE AN ACTIVE PART OF THAT, AND THEY NEED TO BE OUT THERE TO UPDATE LESSON PLANS, TO BE A PART OF THE WORK OF DESIGNING THE ACADEMY OF THE FUTURE.

AND THEY HAVE TO BE OUT THERE SEVERAL MONTHS IN ADVANCE OF A CADET CLASS EVER BEGINNING JUST TO GET CURRICULUM PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN PLACE.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY WERE LEFT IN PLACE.

SURE.

AND I, AND I HEAR THAT, AND THAT MAKES SENSE.

UM, AND I THINK THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN RAISED BY YOU DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, REMEMBER TOMO, AND THEN KUZMIN BECAUSE SIR, CAN'T HEAR YOU, CATHY TARA THINKS SHE'S INDICATING SHE'S GOING TO CALL INTO THE PHONE.

WE STILL CAN'T.

I DON'T SEE A PHONE NUMBER CALLING IN YET.

UM, GREG, DO YOU WANT TO ASK YOUR QUESTION WHILE, WHILE TO HAVE TO CALL THEM? UM, WELL, NO, I THINK IT'S A BROADER POINT, BUT, UM, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE IT CONFIRMED BY EVERYONE HERE WHILE THIS DISCUSSION IS OF COURSE IMPORTANT.

I THINK IT MIGHT, UM, SEND THE IMPRESSION THAT ANY OF THESE NUMBERS OR OFFICER POSITIONS OR CHANGES HAVE BEEN, UH, ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT NONE OF WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER YET.

I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE, UH, REPORTS AND DOCUMENTS THAT, UH, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WERE BEING CIRCULATED IN THE, AS PEOPLE WORKED ON THIS.

BUT MY UNDERSTANDING VERY CLEARLY FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, IS THAT IN FACT, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE NUMBERS, NONE OF THIS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN FINALIZED OR APPROVED.

IS THAT CORRECT? AND IF I MAY, UH, I'D SAY THAT'S CORRECT AGAIN, THERE'S THIS OPPORTUNITY NOW THAT WE BET WE UNDERSTAND CLEARLY THAT 3.2 MILLION IN THE REIMAGINE FUND IS AVAILABLE, UH, TO ASK THE CHIEF TO SEE HOW WE MIGHT PRIORITIZE THE, THE CHANGES THAT HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO RETURN BACK TO SERVICE AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ALTAR, TO YOUR QUESTION.

WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD A CHANCE YET TO DETERMINE WHEN WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MEET AND MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.

BUT I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER IS, UM, TRYING TO GET THAT, UH, DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THERE IS CERTAINTY CERTAINLY FOR THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

I UNDERSTAND THAT KATHY NEEDS TO BE UN-MUTED BY THE, UM, AB PEOPLE SHE BELIEVES SHE'S HAVING TROUBLE MEETING YOU'RE CALLED IN.

I DON'T SEE YOU AS AN ATTENDEE, AS A PHONE.

CAN YOU UNMUTE HER FROM WHERE YOU ARE? SHE'S NOT ON THE LIST IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

THERE IS NO CALL IN PERSON ON THE LIST.

WHAT ABOUT HER VIDEO? ARE YOU ABLE TO SEND ME TO HER VIDEO? YEAH.

THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED.

FOR SOME REASON, MY COMPUTER IS NOT UNMUTING.

UH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

AND WOULD YOU MIND IF I, KATHY, DO YOU MIND IF I FINISH MY POINT REALLY QUICK? IT'S FINE.

I'LL JUST TRY TO KEEP IT QUIET ON MY END.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU, KATHY.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UM, NO, I MEAN, I, I THINK AGAIN, FOR EVERYBODY WATCHING OR FOR PRESS FOLKS WRITING ABOUT THIS, RIGHT? IT, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE PLAN MIGHT BE.

BUT I THINK THAT SOMETIMES THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN PRESENTED OR DEBATED HERE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE DEBATING WHAT HAS BEEN DECIDED FOR JANUARY.

BUT MY UNDERSTANDING FOR THE MANAGER'S OFFICE IS IN FACT, THERE IS NOT A FINALIZED PLAN FOR JANUARY OR FOR MARCH OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON HERE IS WHAT THAT IS DISCUSSING THIS IN DRAFT FORM.

UM, BUT NOT DISCUSSING ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN FINALIZED, UH, BECAUSE NOTHING HAS BEEN APPROVED YET.

AND I THINK THAT IT'S HELPFUL NOW THAT, UM, EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT INCREASINGLY ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE PASSED BACK IN AUGUST, UM,

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I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK THAT, UM, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE AND IN THE TRANSCRIPT, WHAT IT IS THAT WE DID AND I WOULD WANT TO, UM, I THINK THAT WE, WE LAID OUT THE RIGHT TEMPLATE THERE.

UM, AND YOU LOOK FORWARD TO, TO EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT THE FINAL DRAFT LOOKS LIKE, BECAUSE I THINK EVERYTHING CURRENTLY REMAINS IN DRAFT FORM.

THANKS VERY MUCH.

UM, AND THIS FELLOW'S ON NICELY WITH, WITH WHAT MY HAS SAID.

I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST MAYOR THAT WE DO HAVE A CONVERSATION AT ONE OF OUR WORK SESSIONS BEFORE THE YEAR CONCLUDES.

I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS A QUESTION AND A CONVERSATION THAT MANY OF US HAVE BEEN HAVING WITH THE MANAGER AND THE CHIEF.

AND CERTAINLY IT'S ONE THAT OUR, OUR COMMUNITY HAS EXPRESSED A LOT OF INTEREST IN AS WELL.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS AS A FULL COUNCIL.

UM, A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS.

ONE IS, UH, CHIEF.

I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD FROM OUR CONVERSATION ALONG WITH THE MANAGER THAT THE OVERTIME PART OF PART OF, UH, OR ONE ELEMENT IN THIS WHOLE, UM, PUZZLE IS THAT THE OVERTIME BUDGET TYPICALLY.

AND I THINK YOU REFERENCED THIS, THE OVERTIME BUDGET THAT APPEARS AS OVERTIME HAS NOT BEEN SUFFICIENT FOR SEVERAL YEARS TO REALLY COVER THE FULL OVERTIME COSTS OF BACK-FILLING THOSE POSITIONS.

AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? THAT IS CORRECT.

COUNCIL MEMBER.

COULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH SOME INFORMATION, WHAT GAP HAS BEEN OVER, SAY THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS? I THINK THAT WOULD HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.

I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER ALTAR ASKED, YOU KNOW, IS SPEAKING TO THAT INFORMATION AS WELL, UM, ABOUT GETTING SOME MORE DETAILS ON THAT, ON WHAT THAT GAP IS.

OUR FINANCIAL STAFF PUT THAT TOGETHER IN YEARS PAST, WE'VE OFFSET THAT WITH SALARY SAVINGS.

AND SO THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A DELTA THERE WITH THE REDUCTION IN THE DEPARTMENT AND THE SALARIES THAT WILL REDUCE AS A RESULT OF THAT.

WE JUST, WE KNOW THAT DELTA'S NOT GOING TO BE THERE, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL PULL A FIVE-YEAR HISTORY FOR YOU AND SHOW YOU WHAT OUR OVERTIME EXPENDITURES HAVE BEEN COMPARED TO WHAT WE WERE BUDGETING.

THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.

AND JUST TO KIND OF GET BACK TO THE IDEA ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

SO I UNDERSTOOD FROM MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE MANAGER, THAT, THAT HE WAS HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH EACH OF US ON THE DIOCESE, AND THAT THERE MAY BE DIFFERENT IMPRESSIONS ABOUT WHETHER, UM, WHETHER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN ACCESS THAT $3 MILLION AND THAT THERE WAS A NEED FOR CLARIFYING.

SO I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, THE MANAGER IS NOT HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IS SAM ARIANA, IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

BUT TO ME, THAT, TO SUGGEST THAT WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AS A FULL COUNCIL, UM, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME WHETHER, WHETHER WE ALL DO HAVE THE SAME UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THAT 3 MILLION OR NOT.

AND IF, AND IF WE DO ALL HAVE THE SAME UNDERSTANDING WHY IT IS, BUT THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE PUT IN PLACE AGAIN.

WHEN I ASKED THE MANAGER THE ANSWER I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD BACK WAS BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A CONSENSUS ON THAT.

UM, I'D RATHER THAT MONEY SHOULD BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE DEPARTMENT OR NOT, PERHAPS I'M MISUNDERSTANDING THAT, BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE UNDERSTANDING I TOOK AWAY FROM THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE MANAGER.

I THINK THAT'S MY LAST PROBABLY FOR THE MOMENT.

THAT'S MY LAST COMMENT, BUT ACTUALLY WELL, ACM AROUND HIM, IF YOU WANT TO RESPOND AND THEN I MIGHT HAVE A FOLLOW-UP MEETING.

AS COUNCIL MEMBER ALTAR MENTIONED, SEVERAL OF US HAVE BEEN HA YOU KNOW, HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS NOW IN THE MONTHS THAT HAVE, HAVE HAPPENED SINCE THEN, IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF US PROBABLY HAVE BEEN HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH, WITH, UM, CITY MANAGEMENT AND WITH OUR POLICE CHIEF IN THE, IN THE MONTHS, SINCE WE'VE LEARNED ABOUT THE DRAFT PATROLLING PLAN CHANGES TO PATROL IN THE DRAFT PLAN.

COUNCIL MEMBER.

I THINK THAT IS FROM MY, MY CONVERSATIONS AS WELL WITH THE CITY MANAGER, THAT THERE IS SOME UNCERTAINTY IN TERMS OF HOW THAT UNDERSTANDING IS.

AND IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM AND YOUR KIDS, CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU, HE IS TRYING TO DETERMINE HOW BEST TO FORMALIZE THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE 3.2 MILLION.

SO I JUST WANT TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT THAT BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES SAID A MINUTE AGO THAT THERE WAS, OR, AND AGAIN, I MAY BE MISINTERPRETING WHAT WAS SAID, BUT I THOUGHT I HEARD A COLLEAGUE OF MINE, UM, SUGGESTS THAT THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DEPARTMENT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACCESS THAT ALL ALONG.

AND THAT, THAT JUST ISN'T THE CASE.

AND I, SO WHAT, SO WHAT IS THE MANAGER WAITING FOR? WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM THE COUNCIL IN TERMS OF A RESOLUTION TO THIS ISSUE? YOU NEED THE, YOU NEED THE COUNCIL TO DISCUSS AND DELIBERATE AND MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THAT.

SO I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT LEVEL OF, UH, UH, DECISION-MAKING OR PROCESS BASED ON THE CONVERSATION YOU SEE, CERTAINLY HAVING INDIVIDUALLY IMPACTED NUMBERS.

I'LL BE SURE TO GO BACK AND DETERMINE KIND OF HOW BEST HE WANTS TO PROCEED ON THAT.

I KNOW AS COUNCIL MEMBER HAS JUST STATED IN TERMS OF THE WAY THE, THE BUDGET AMENDMENT WAS, WAS BROUGHT FORWARD, IT SEEMED TO BE EXPLICIT, BUT YET AGAIN, CERTAINLY FROM THE CHIEF'S PERSPECTIVE EARLY ON, WHEN THE BUDGET INITIALLY PASSED IT, DIDN'T SEE IT AS CLEAR AS WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION.

AND THEN IT HASN'T SEEMED CLEAR IN THE MONTHS INTERVENING EITHER.

I KNOW

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SO IT SEEMS TO BE REALLY IMPERATIVE THAT WE GET TO A RESOLUTION OF THIS ISSUE PRETTY QUICKLY.

AND IF THE MANAGER IS WAITING ON A RESPONSE AND A DECISION OR A DELIBERATION FROM COUNCIL, THEN I WOULD REALLY SUGGEST WE SCHEDULE THAT RIGHT AWAY SO THAT THE CHIEF KNOWS WHETHER THAT'S THAT 3.2 MILLION OR NOT WORK SESSION.

UH, I KNOW THAT IN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAD, AND OBVIOUSLY NONE OF US CAN TALK TO A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL AND GIVING THEM MORE CONVENIENCE RECORD.

I KNOW THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ALTAR COUNCIL ASAR, UH, REALLY LOOKED THE SAME WAY THAT I DID THAT.

THE INTENT DURING THE TIME OF THE BUDGET AS REQUESTED BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY WAS TO CLEAR THAT UP AND BASICALLY GAVE US A SCRIPT TO DO THAT, WHICH WE READ INTO THE RECORD ALSO, JUST TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE CHIEF HAD ACCESS TO THOSE DOLLARS.

SO I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION FOR US TO HAVE AS I SIT HERE NOW, I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL DELIBERATION NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR THE CHIEF TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

UM, BUT, BUT WITHOUT THE SIDING, THAT QUESTION, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY AS A POWERFUL, TO, TO ALL ADDRESS THIS DURING, DURING A WORK SESSION FOR YOUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY.

OR 80 OFFICERS AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER THAT WERE ALREADY ROTATING.

THANKS CHAIR.

UM, THANK YOU MAYOR.

I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY I READ IT AS WELL, BUT, BUT AGAIN, THE MANAGER, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MANAGER IN HIS INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS IS, IS NOT, IS UNDERSTANDING THAT NOT EVERYBODY WHO VOTED ON IT UNDERSTOOD IT THAT WAY.

SO I ABSOLUTELY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THAT CONVERSATION.

SO THANKS SO MUCH FOR SCHEDULING IT.

AND AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION CHEAT, I KNOW THAT A TIME TO BE MID JANUARY BECAUSE OF THE NOT HAVING THE OVERTIME AVAILABLE.

AND THE QUESTION HASN'T BEEN ANSWERED TO ME YET IS IF WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL THREE TO $5 MILLION TO SPAN, WHAT DOES IT COST TO BUY MID JANUARY TO FEBRUARY OR COST TO BY MID FEBRUARY TO MID-MARCH SO THAT THE BROADER CONVERSATION COULD ENSUE AS WE HAD SET UP IN OUR PROCESS AND OUR MID-YEAR, UH, UH, BUDGETING OF POLICING, AS WELL AS THE SPECIFIC INVITATION TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL TO DISCUSS OVERTIME IF IT WAS INSUFFICIENT.

SO WE CAN MAKE THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE AT THE WORK SESSION.

YES, MAYOR WE CAN TRY AND BREAK IT DOWN TO WHAT IT WOULD COST TO SAVE THOSE 95, UH, POSITIONS, IF POTENTIAL ON AN OVERTIME BASIS.

AND THEN, UH, AGAIN, THE REASON FOR THE JANUARY 17TH DATE IS IT TAKES THAT LONG TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE OFFICERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE MOVED.

WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHTS UNDER THE CONTRACT FOR HARDSHIPS AND GRIEVANCES.

AND THEN WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM A 28 DAY NOTICE BEFORE WE CAN TRANSFER THEM.

SO THIS IS A VERY INVOLVED PROCESS.

SO NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE TO DO THE WORK AHEAD OF TIME OF DECIDING WHERE WE WOULD PULL THEM FROM THEN WE HAD TO START THE PROCESS OF MAKING THAT HAPPEN.

NO, NO, IT'S ALL THAT.

BUT, BUT IF THE KEY DAY WHEN YOU WERE RUNNING OUT OF MONEY WAS JANUARY 15TH AND YOU NEED TO ACT, YOU KNOW, SOME MONTHS BEFORE THAT, IF THE KEY DATE WAS NOT JANUARY 15TH, BUT FEBRUARY 15TH OR MARCH 15TH, OR APRIL 15TH, UH, THE DATE, WHY WOULD YOU NEED IT TO ACT AS PUSHED BACK OR, OR MOVES ON FURTHER, UH, SO THAT THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A CHANCE TO DO THIS PERHAPS, AND IMPACT SOME OF THE ATTRITION LEVEL THAT OFFICER'S THEY'VE SEEN BECAUSE THEY W YOU HAD THE BACK UP TO AUGUST TO TELL PEOPLE THAT THERE WOULD BE MOVEMENT OUT OF UNITS INTO PATROL, WHEREAS IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN REQUIRED FOR YOU TO START THAT AS EARLY, AND YOU COULD HAVE COME BACK TO THE, TO THE, TO THE COUNCIL AND THE OTHER NUMBERS AS WE'RE JUST OF HIGHLIGHTING THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT, UH, OF THE 150 FOLKS IN THE UNITS, 150 POSITIONS THAT ARE MOVED 55 OF THOSE, UH, WERE, WERE, WERE VACANT.

AND, AND AS OF THE END OF SEPTEMBER, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WITHOUT REGARD TO OUR BUDGET DECISIONS, WHICH TOOK PLACE IN OCTOBER, THAT, THAT THERE WERE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF, OF UNIT FOLKS THAT WERE ALREADY ROTATING THROUGH A PATROL.

UM, UH, ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW, 70

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SO WITH THE 55 AND THAT 70, WE ALREADY ADD 120, SOME ODD OF THE 150 THAT WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY STAFFED IN, IN UNITS, UH, AS YOU WERE MOVING PEOPLE THROUGH.

AND, AND I THINK THAT GOES TO A COUNCIL MEMBER AUTHOR WAS SAYING A SECOND AGO THAT THE, THAT THE NUMBER OF ACTUAL PERSONNEL CHANGES WAS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THE IMPACT THAN, THAN HEARING.

UH, AS WE HEARD IN, IN AUGUST THAT THERE WAS 150, UH, FOLKS BEING MOVED OR PEOPLE THAT'S WHAT THEY HEARD.

I KNOW THAT WASN'T THE WORDING BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SPOTS IN THE LIGHT, BUT THERE WAS A BELIEF IN THE COMMUNITY THAT 150 PEOPLE WERE BEING MOVED SO BETTER UNDERSTANDING, UH, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE ALREADY IN THAT POSITION AS OF THE END OF SEPTEMBER, THE END OF LAST FISCAL YEAR.

I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO PUT IN PERSPECTIVE, I'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.

MAYOR, WE WERE DOING ROUGHLY 60 TO 65 OFFICERS ON A ROTATIONAL BASIS.

AND THEN, THEN THEY WOULD GO BACK TO THEIR UNIT AND DIFFERENT OFFICERS WOULD GO THAT WAY.

WE WEREN'T SHUTTING DOWN ANY UNITS OR ANYTHING.

THIS IS JUST A MORE PERMANENT PLAN GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE DON'T SEE ANY RELIEF FOR AT LEAST A YEAR WITH THE CADET CLASS STOPPAGE, AND BEFORE WE CAN GET MORE OFFICERS.

SO I'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU, MAYOR.

IT'S TRUE.

WE MIGHT'VE BEEN ABLE TO, SINCE YOU HAD 55 THAT WEREN'T FILLED AND YOU HAD ANOTHER 65 THAT WERE ROTATING THROUGH, WE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ABLE JUST TO PRESERVE THAT SAME SYSTEM THAT YOU HAD, UH, FOR ANOTHER X NUMBER OF MONTHS, WITHOUT HAVING TO MAKE A REALLY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.

AND JUST SAY, WE'LL JUST CONTINUE THE EXISTING PRACTICE THAT YOU HAVE AND THE COST TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND EXTEND THAT FOR ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO OR THREE OR FOUR MIGHT BE THE NUMBER THAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN ROLLED OUT TO US, BUT NOT, NOT, NOT TOO LATE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? MAYBE THERE'S A CHANCE FOR US STILL TO, TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO THAT.

UH, UM, AND THAT'S, I THINK THE CONVERSATION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER TOVO WAS ASKING AND OTHERS HAVE ASKED THAT WE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BRING BACK AND I'LL WORK WITH, UH, MY ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ARIANO AND THE CITY MANAGER IN YOUR OFFICE TO MAKE SURE WE TEE THAT BACK UP FOR HIM.