Jan 25, 2022 City Council Work Session

QUICK QUESTION.

UM, I HAD TO SIGN OFF FROM THE JOINT MEETING.

SO I MISSED ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT FOR LUNCH TODAY.

UH, I THINK WHAT, WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON HOW LONG THAT WILL TAKE US, BUT THE, UH, CRO REPORT FOLKS ARE NOT WITH US UNTIL ONE.

UH, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY PULLED ITEMS, RIGHT? SO WE'LL HANDLE THIS STUFF ON EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I WOULD IMAGINE AT THAT POINT AND THEN BREAK AND THEN COME BACK AT ONE, WE NEED TO TOUCH BASE ON COMMITTEES QUICKLY, BUT ANYBODY CAN BE ON ANY COMMITTEE THEY WANT TO.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY LONG DISCUSSIONS.

IF IT'S JUST COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP TODAY, PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY HAD LAID OUT WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO FOR 2022 ON THE MESSAGE TOWARDS THIS IS GREAT.

WE'LL SEE YOU ALL LATER.

PROCEED THAT WAY MANAGER.

WE'RE COMING BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.

UH, IN CLOSED SESSION, WE DISCUSSED LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO ITEMS. UH, THE TIME IS 1 53.

UH, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE, UH, CRAWL PRESENTATION WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO TOUCH BASE BRIEFLY ON THE COMMITTEES, AND THEN WE'LL, UH, I THINK THERE ARE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT SOME AGENDA ITEMS. SO, UH, WE'LL

[B1. Kroll Associates, Inc.'s Phase B Report on the Austin Police Department (APD) regarding APD's public interaction, use of force, recruitment and promotions.]

YOU WANT TO SET US UP FOR THE CROWELL PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AND, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON TODAY'S BRIEFING.

AND OUR WORK SESSION IS GOING TO BE GIVEN BY OUR CONSULTANTS KROHL AND ASSOCIATES.

UH, THIS IS PART OF THEIR PHASED APPROACH IN LOOKING AT APDS PRACTICES AND POLICIES TODAY, SPECIFICALLY, WE'LL FOCUS ON PHASE B OF THEIR WORK WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UH, REGARDING APDS, UH, PUBLIC INTERACTION, USE OF FORCE RECRUITMENT AND PROMOTIONS.

THEY HAVE RELEASED A REPORT AND ARE HERE TO GIVE A PRESENTATION.

UH, THOSE MATERIALS HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO, I THINK LATER LAST NIGHT AND THEN HAVE BEEN UPLOADED TO BACKUP.

WE HAVE ALSO ISSUED A PRESS RELEASE SO THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO THIS INFORMATION AS WELL.

UH, BUT WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MARK EHLERS, UH, WHO WILL BE, UH, KICKING IT OFF FROM, UH, CROWELL AND ASSOCIATES.

MARK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, AND IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE.

UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN THOUGH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, UH, DR.

ROBIN ANGLE HAS BEEN ALLOWED INTO THE MEETING.

UM, SHE'S INDICATING THAT SHE CAN'T UNMUTE OR TURN ON HER VIDEO FOR SOME REASON, AND SHE'S A PRETTY CRUCIAL PART OF OUR PRESENTATION.

WE WILL DO THAT SHORTLY.

THANK YOU, MARK AND COUNCIL MEMBER TOVA MAYBE NEED TO MOVE OVER FOR HER PHONE IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.

UM, UH, ROBIN HAS BEEN ADMITTED.

CITY MANAGER, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

UM,

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IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU THIS MORNING OR THIS AFTERNOON, I SHOULD SAY.

UH, AND, AND, UH, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW US TO PRESENT OUR PHASE B FINDINGS TO YOU.

UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN THOUGH, I WANT TO JUST BRIEFLY INTRODUCE THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CURL TEAM THAT ARE PRESENT TODAY.

UM, TWO OF WHICH I THINK YOU'RE QUITE FAMILIAR WITH, UH, ARE TWO NATIONALLY RENOWNED POLICE EXPERTS.

UM, WE HAVE RICK BROWN WITH US, UH, AS YOU KNOW, MR. BROWN SPENT 28 YEARS WITH THE PENNSYLVANIA STATE POLICE, ULTIMATELY SERVING AS A DEPUTY COMMISSIONER AND HE'S AN EXPERT IN USE OF FORCE AND, UH, DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION AND RECRUITING PRACTICES AMONG OTHER THINGS, AND IS SERVED ON A NUMBER OF INDEPENDENT MONITORSHIPS, UH, AROUND THE COUNTRY IN THE LAST 10 OR 12 YEARS.

AND WE ALSO HAVE DAN LINSKEY WITH US, THE FORMER CHIEF OF THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND AN EXPERT ON COMMUNITY ORIENTED POLICING, UH, AND POLICE ADMINISTRATION.

UH, BUT I ALSO WANT TO INTRODUCE YOU TODAY TO, UH, DR.

ROBIN ANGLE, UH, WHO'S WITH US, AND WE'LL BE PRESENTING, UH, LARGE SEGMENTS OF, OF THIS, UH, PRESENTATION, DR.

ANGLE'S A PROFESSOR OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI, AND SHE'S A DIRECTOR OF THE UC CENTER FOR POLICE RESEARCH AND POLICY.

UH, SHE'S A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED EXPERT ON BIAS BASED POLICING AND IS ONE OF THE TOP RANKED FEMALE ACADEMICS IN HER FIELD IN THE COUNTRY.

UM, SHE HAS STUDIED AND WRITTEN EXTENSIVELY ON SUCH TOPICS AS BIAS BASED POLICING POLICE, COMMUNITY RELATIONS, POLICE USE OF FORCE, POLICE, LEGITIMACY, VIOLENCE, REDUCTION INITIATIVES, AND PROBLEM ORIENTED POLICING.

AND MUCH OF HER WORK HAS INVOLVED CONDUCTING STATISTICAL ANALYSIS, UH, AND AS HERE EXAMINING RACIAL, ETHNIC, AND GENDER DISPARITIES IN POLICING OUTCOMES.

SO I SEE THE REPORTS UP THERE IS, UH, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO GIVE DR ANGLE THE ABILITY TO SHARE, UH, THE REPORT THAT WE CAN PROBABLY EXPEDITE OUR PRESENTATION A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE WE'VE TRIED TO STREAMLINE THE PRESENTATION.

I DON'T HAVE ACCESS YET TO SHARE.

SOMETIMES IT TAKES A SECOND.

I KNOW.

TO THE POLICE AND THE TERMS OF CROWD CONTROL SITUATIONS AND THE OTHER THINGS WHERE FORCE WAS APPLIED.

IS THAT SHARING NOW? ALL RIGHT.

AND PROBABLY LET'S WHY DON'T WE JUST KICK IT TO SLIDE THREE ROBIN AND I'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE.

SO, UM, AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE, UM, INITIAL PHASE, UH, OF CURLS REVIEW, UH, WHICH WAS PAYS A, UH, WAS COMPLETED ON APRIL, 2021, UH, AND IT INVOLVED ASSESSING THE APD TRAINING ACADEMY ON ITS ABILITY AND READINESS TO PREPARE CADETS, UH, FOR POLICE IN A MULTIETHNIC, UM, URBAN POPULATION, CONSISTENT WITH BEST PRACTICES.

UM, WE ALSO ARE SORT OF CONTINUING PART TWO OF PHASE A, WHICH IS OUR ROLE AS INDEPENDENT EVALUATOR OF THE ACADEMY, WHICH WE, UM, AND WE EXPECT TO HAVE ANOTHER REPORT TO, UH, THE CITY AND COUNCIL, UH, IN MID FEBRUARY, UH, ON THAT ROLE.

UM, HOWEVER, FOR THIS, THIS PARTICULAR PHASE OF CROW'S EVALUATION, WHAT WE'RE CALLING PHASE B, UH, ADDRESSES FOUR DISTINCT AREAS AREAS.

UH, FIRST WE LOOK AT, UH, APD USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS FROM JANUARY, 2017 TO DECEMBER, UH, 2020 OR 48 MONTH PERIOD TIMEFRAME.

WE THEN ANALYZE, UH, OR DID A KIND OF A QUALITATIVE, UH, UH, REVIEW, UH, AN ANALYSIS OF APPROXIMATELY 1,321 USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS THAT OCCURRED FROM JUNE TO NOVEMBER, 2019.

UM, THIRD, WE LOOKED AT PUBLIC, UH, WITH CIVILIANS, LOOKING AT THINGS SUCH AS TRAFFIC STOPS, ARRESTS, CITATIONS, AND SEARCHES FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2020, UH, 12, 12 MONTH PERIOD.

AND FINALLY, WE LOOKED AT APDS RECRUITMENT, SELECTION AND PROMOTION POLICIES AND PRACTICES AND EXAMINE POTENTIAL DISPARITIES INVOLVING RACE, ETHNICITY, GENDER, AND OTHER SIMILAR PERSONAL CHARACTERISTIC, AND EXAMINE THE POTENTIAL IMPACT THAT APDS POLICIES AND PRACTICES HAVE ON HISTORICALLY UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS.

AND IF WE GO TO SLIDE FOUR, UM, THIS IS JUST ESSENTIALLY A REPORT OVERVIEW.

SO AS YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN THE REPORT IS FAIRLY LENGTHY, IT'S OVER 165 PAGES LONG, BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY FOUR REPORTS COMBINED INTO ONE.

SO IT HELPS TO TAKE IT A SECTION AT A TIME, UM, SECTION ONE, WHICH ISN'T SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE, BUT SECTION ONE IS A 10 PAGE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, UH, IN SECTION TWO, UH, WE PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT FOR WHY CROWE WAS ASKED TO PERFORM THIS WORK IN THE FIRST PLACE, STARTING WITH COUNCIL RESOLUTION 66 BACK

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IN 2019.

UM, SECTION THREE THROUGH SIX, ESSENTIALLY ADDRESSES THE FOUR AREAS WE JUST DISCUSSED.

SECTION THREE IS THE FOUR YEAR ANALYSIS OF USE OF FORCE DATA THAT EXAMINES WHETHER RACIAL OR ETHNIC OR GENDER DISPARITIES EXIST IN THAT DATA.

SECTION FOUR TAKES THE QUALITATIVE LOOK INTO THE SIX MONTH WINDOW OF USE OF FORCE CASES IN 2019 TO ASSESS WHETHER FORCE WAS APPROPRIATE APPLIED APPROPRIATELY APPLIED IN THOSE CASES, WHETHER APD OFFICERS UNNECESSARILY, UH, ESCALATED CERTAIN ENCOUNTERS, AND WHETHER THERE WAS SUFFICIENT SUPERVISORY REVIEW, UH, SECTION FIVE, THEN ANALYZES ONE YEAR OF TRAFFIC STOP DATA FROM 2020, AND ALSO LOOKS AT THE FOUR YEARS OF ARREST DATA TO EXAMINE POTENTIAL RACIAL, ETHNIC DISPARITIES IN THAT DATA.

AND IN SECTION SIX, WE LOOK AT RECRUITMENT SELECTION AND PROMOTION PRACTICES AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACT ON RACIAL, ETHNIC, AND GENDER DIVERSITY.

AND THEN IN SECTION SEVEN, WE, UH, PROVIDE A DETAILED RECOMMENDATIONS ON EACH OF THESE AREAS, UH, AS WELL AS ADDRESSING, UM, WAYS TO IMPROVE APDS DATA COLLECTION EFFORTS.

SO WITH THAT, LET ME NOW TURN IT OVER TO DR.

ANGLE WHO WILL TAKE US THROUGH THE REVIEW AND DATA ANALYSIS OF APD USE OF FORCE FROM 2017 TO 2020.

GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARK.

I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT FOLKS CAN HEAR ME.

OKAY, GREAT.

GREAT.

THEN I WILL PROCEED.

UM, WE CAN HEAR YOU, BUT ISN'T IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE THE LITTLE WINDOW SO WE CAN SEE HER AS WELL, PLEASE? I'M SORRY.

HOW DO I HAVE TO DO THAT? YOU DON'T DO THAT.

OUR STAFF I'LL DO THAT OVER.

UM, WHILE WE'RE, WHILE WE'RE GETTING THAT SET, I JUST WANT TO SEND OUT A THANK YOU TO THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR STAFF.

THEY WORKED SO HARD TO GET US ALL OF THE DATA OF THE DATA THAT WE NEEDED TO CONDUCT THESE ANALYSES.

UM, AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN LOTS OF SERIES OF ISSUES AND PROBLEMS WITH POLICE DATA.

THIS IS NOT UNIQUE TO THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, BUT NONETHELESS, THEIR STAFF REALLY WORKED HIRED TIRELESSLY, UH, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US WITH THE INFORMATION WE NEEDED AND WE ARE GRATEFUL.

UM, AND ALSO JUST A COUPLE OF CAVEATS.

UM, I AM PRESENTING THIS ON BEHALF OF THE QUILT TEAM.

WE DID HAVE A TEAM OF STATISTICIANS THAT WORKED ON THIS WITH US.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UH, AT THE END.

AND WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IN THE INTEREST OF TIME IS ACTUALLY REALLY STREAMLINE THIS PRESENTATION.

WE'VE PROVIDED YOU OF COURSE, WITH A COMPREHENSIVE REPORT ON, BUT ALSO WITH DETAILED SLIDES, UM, INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN SHARE WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

UH, BUT WHAT I'LL BE DOING TODAY IS ACTUALLY JUST PICKING OUT A FEW OF THOSE SLIDES TO PRESENT TO YOU.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'LL ANSWER QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE REMAINING SLIDES THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO.

SO BEGINNING FIRST, UM, I, I FIRST WANT TO START ACTUALLY WITH SOME DEFINITIONS.

UM, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE DISPROPORTIONALITY DISPARITY AND BIAS, AND I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENCES ACROSS RACIAL AND ETHNIC GROUPS, BUT THOSE DIFFERENCES DO NOT NECESSARILY INDICATE BIAS OR IN THIS CASE, POLICE BIAS.

THE TRUTH IS THAT NO STATISTICAL ANALYSIS CAN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE POLICE ARE ACTING IN A BIAS WAY.

ONLY RATHER IF THERE IS A DISPARITY, A DIFFERENCE AMONG GROUPS AND THOSE DIFFERENCES CAN BE BASED ON A WHOLE HOST OF FACTORS, SOME OF WHICH WE CAN MEASURE AND SOME OF WHICH WE CANNOT.

AND THAT'S WHY WE CAN, UM, NO, NO CIRCUMSTANCES BE ABLE TO TELL YOU SPECIFICALLY WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S RACIAL BIAS, UH, BY THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UM, SO NOW HAVING SAID THAT, THEN, THEN WHY EVEN DO THESE ANALYSES? WHY GO THROUGH WELL, WHAT WE LOOK FOR PATTERNS AND TRENDS AND BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY PLACES WHERE WE NEED ADDITIONAL TRAINING POLICIES, UH, CHANGES AND THE LIKE, UM, CHANGES FOR PRACTICES.

SO WHEN WE FIND RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO DIG DOWN AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHY ARE THOSE DISPARITIES SO THAT WE CAN ALL WORK FOR THE COMMON GOAL OF REDUCING THOSE RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES.

AND SO WITH THAT, I BEGIN, UH, WITH OUR USE OF FORCE ANALYSIS, THE FIRST THING I JUST WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TRENDS, UH, FOR ARREST VERSUS USE OF FORCE.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE DOCUMENTS HERE YOU'LL SEE OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS FROM 2017 TO 2020 IS THE TIME PERIOD THAT WE ANALYZED FOR USE OF FORCE DATA.

AND WHAT WE SEE HERE IS THAT ARREST AT THE SAME TIME, PERIOD DECLINED 51%.

THAT'S A DRAMATIC REDUCTION IN ARREST.

UM, BUT USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS ACTUALLY INCREASED DURING THAT SAME TIME TO 58%.

NOW THERE CAN BE A LOT OF REASONS FOR THESE DIFFERENCES IN TRENDS AND ANALYSIS.

UM, WE KNOW OF, FOR EXAMPLE, THEN IN 2020, UM, THE EXPERIENCE WITH USE OF FORCE WAS DIFFERENT, UM, FOR THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND THAT WE HAD MORE INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE UNKNOWN

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UH, WE ALSO SAW DIFFERENCES IN THE RESISTANCE SHOWN TO POLICE IN 2020.

UM, AND SO THAT REALLY IMPACTED THAT ADDITIONAL INCREASE IN THE USE OF FORCE, UM, PARTICULARLY IN 2020.

SO MAJORITY OF USE OF FORCE CASES THAT WE ANALYZED, UM, IN THIS FOUR YEAR PERIOD, 74% WERE MALE, 33% HISPANIC, 33% WHITE, 31% BLACK AND LESS THAN 2%.

AND THE OTHER CATEGORY WHICH REPRESENTS, UM, UH, ASIAN AND PACIFIC PACIFIC ISLANDER.

AND ALONG WITH OTHERS, UH, THANKFULLY THE MAJORITY VAST MAJORITY OF THE USE OF FORCE CASES, WHERE OF THE LEAST AMOUNT OF FORCE, UM, 93% OF THE USE OF FORCE CASES WHERE THE, IN THE LOWEST TWO OUT OF FOUR CATEGORIES IN TERMS OF THE SEVERITY OF FORCE, UM, WE ALSO SAW THAT RESISTANCE WAS SHOWN IN NEARLY ALL OF THESE FORCE CASES OR WAS REPORTED THERE.

UM, BUT WE DID RECOGNIZE A DIFFERENCE IN THE RESISTANCE THAT WAS SHOWN BETWEEN UNKNOWN AND KNOWN INDIVIDUALS.

SO IF AN INDIVIDUAL IS UNKNOWN THAT HAD FORCE USED AGAINST THEM, FOR INSTANCE, IN A CROWD CONTROL SITUATION OR WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL IS JUST NOT IDENTIFIED, UM, THEREAFTER 56% OF THOSE UNKNOWN INDIVIDUALS ENGAGED IN AGGRESSIVE OR DEADLY RESISTANCE COMPARED TO ONLY 27% OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE KNOWN.

WE ALSO SEE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES IN, UH, IMPAIRMENT, UH, IN TERMS OF INDIVIDUALS THAT HAD FORCE USED AGAINST THEM.

NOW, HERE WE USE THE TERM IMPAIRMENT TO TALK ABOUT THE INFLUENCE OF DRUGS OR ALCOHOL, UM, AND OR MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

NOW, OF COURSE YOU CAN HAVE BOTH HERE.

THESE ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE CATEGORIES, BUT WHAT WE SEE HERE IS THAT 77% OF THE USE OF FORCE OF INDIVIDUALS THAT HAD FORCED USE AGAINST THEM, UH, WERE IMPAIRED IN SOME WAY ONLY 23% OF USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS, INVOLVED INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE NOT IMPAIRED, BUT WE ALSO SEE RACIAL AND ETHNIC DIFFERENCES WITHIN THAT IMPAIRMENT TYPE.

SO HERE WE KNOW THAT WHITE INDIVIDUALS WERE MORE LIKELY TO BE IMPAIRED WHEN THEY HAD FOUR SHOES AGAINST THEM COMPARED TO BLACK INDIVIDUALS.

WE ALSO NOTED A TREND IN REPEAT USE AS A FORCE, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THIRD THREE, OR EXCUSE ME, OVER 30% OF THOSE WHO HAD FORCE USED AGAINST THEM WERE INVOLVED IN MORE THAN ONE USE OF FORCE EVENT ON COUNTER WITHIN THAT FOUR YEAR PERIOD.

SO THESE ARE OUR REPEATS, AND THIS IS NOT PARTICULARLY UNUSUAL, BUT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO DOCUMENT SO THAT IF YOU WANT TO REDUCE THE LIKELIHOOD OF USE OF FORCE, FOCUSING ON THOSE REPEAT INDIVIDUALS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO START.

I INDIVIDUALS WITH PERCEIVED IMPAIRMENTS, WHETHER THAT BE DRUGS AND ALCOHOL OR MENTAL INSTABILITY, WE'RE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE MULTIPLE USE OF FORCE ENCOUNTERS AND BLACK INDIVIDUALS COMPARED TO WHITE AND HISPANIC WERE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE LIKELY TO HAVE MULTIPLE USE AND FORCE ENCOUNTERS OVER THAT FOUR YEAR PERIOD.

WE ALSO KNOW TOO THAT USE OF FORCE VARY DRAMATICALLY BY SECTOR.

UM, WITHIN THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE NOTE THAT THE FREQUENCY OF THE POLICE USE OF FORCE VARIES DRAMATICALLY ACROSS THESE SECTORS.

UM, AND IN PARTICULAR HERE GEORGE SECTOR, WHICH WE UNDERSTAND REPRESENTS YOUR ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT ACCOUNTED FOR 23% OF ALL USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS DURING THIS FOUR YEAR PERIOD.

SO THEY WERE SIGNIFICANTLY AN OUTLIER HERE.

AND AS YOU'LL SEE LATER IN THE REPORT SERVE AS AN OUTLIER, UM, FOR ARRESTS AS WELL.

THIS NEXT SECTION, I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH QUICKLY, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS HERE, WHAT THIS GRAPH REPRESENTS IS, UH, WE MEASURED, UH, DISPARITY RATIOS, A DISPARITY RATIO IS A RATIO THAT USES A BENCHMARK ANALYSIS.

NOW BENCHMARKS ARE A PROXY MEASURE FOR AN AT-RISK POPULATION.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU SAY, UM, UH, 20% OF USE OF FORCE WHERE A BLACK INDIVIDUALS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WELL, IT HAS TO BE 20% COMPARED TO SOMETHING.

AND IF THAT SOMETHING IS THE POPULATION AT RISK, AND THAT'S WHAT SOCIAL SCIENTISTS REFER TO AS BENCHMARKS NOW, MEASURING THAT BENCHMARK WHO IS AT RISK, UH, FOR HAVING FOUR SHOES AGAINST THEM, ASSUMING NO POLICE BIAS, THOSE BENCHMARKS CAN BE MEASURED IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT NO BENCHMARK CAN ACCOUNT FOR ALL OF THE RISK FACTORS.

AND ALSO THE RESULTS VARY DRAMATICALLY ACROSS BENCHMARKS.

RESIDENTIAL POPULATION IS ONE OF THE MOST FREQUENTLY USED A BENCHMARK COMPARISON, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT IS ONE OF THE MOST FLAWED BENCHMARK COMPARISONS.

UM, AND IN FACT, MOST SOCIAL SCIENTISTS DISREGARDED CHOOSE ENTIRELY ARREST POPULATION IS ALSO USED BY SOME TO LOOK AT THE USE OF FORCE DISPARITIES, BUT THIS LIKELY UNDERESTIMATES RISK.

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UM, SO REALLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR A BENCHMARK.

UM, THAT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE HERE, IF YOU WILL.

AND WHAT WE, UH, HAVE FOCUSED ON IS THE USE OF REPORTED SUSPECT DATA.

SO CRIMINAL SUSPECTS THAT HAVE BEEN REPORTED, UM, AS PART OF THE INCIDENT OF, OF CRIME REPORTS, IF THEY HAVE A SUSPECT LIST OF THE RACE OR ETHNICITY OF THAT SUSPECT, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS POPULATION IS AT GREATEST RISK FOR POLICE INTERVENTION OR INTERACTION THAT MAY RESULT IN THE USE OF FORCE.

UM, OF COURSE THERE ARE FLAWS WITH THIS BENCHMARK COMPARISON AS WELL.

UM, BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S LIKELY A STRONGER AND BETTER COMPARISON THAN EITHER THE ARREST DATA OR THE POPPY RESIDENTIAL POPULATION DATA, BUT I PRESENT ALL OF THEM TO USE SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE LARGE VARIATION THAT WE EXPERIENCED WHEN WE TRIED TO MEASURE THIS RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITY.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS CHART DOES EXACTLY.

SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK HERE, YOU HAVE, IN THIS CASE OF FIVE DIFFERENT BENCHMARK POPULATIONS, ONE IS THE RESIDENTIAL POPULATION.

WE ALSO LOOK AT ALL ARRESTS.

THEN WE LOOK AT, UH, THE MOST SERIOUS PART, ONE VIOLENT ARREST.

WE LOOK AT ALL CRIMINAL SUSPECTS AND THEN ALSO SUSPECTS THAT WERE HEART, ONE VIOLENT, UH, SUSPECTS AND, UH, DISPARITY RATIOS, ESSENTIALLY A MEASURE OF ONE INDICATES NO RACIAL OR ETHNIC DISPARITY.

AND AS YOU INCREASE PAST ONE THAT SUGGESTS THAT THERE ARE DISPARITIES, UM, IN THIS CASE, IT'S BLACK COMPARED TO THE POPULATION OF INTEREST HERE IS WHITE OR HISPANIC COMPARED TO WHITE.

AND THIS IS WHAT THIS CHART DEMONSTRATES TO YOU.

UH, SO YOU CAN SEE USING THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, POPULATION, THERE ARE VERY, VERY LARGE RACIAL, ETHNIC DISPARITIES, BUT WE, WHEN YOU W WHEN WE CHANGE THAT POPULATION BENCHMARK TO SOMETHING ELSE, INCLUDING ARRESTEE BENCHMARK, OR THE SUSPECT BENCHMARK, WE SEE SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS.

AND IN MANY CASES, NO RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES IN THE USE OF FORCE BY THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I SHOULD ALSO NOTE THAT THERE WERE SOME DIFFERENCES IN THESE DISPARITY RATIOS, UH, THAT WERE MEASURED BY SECTOR WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE SECTOR LEVEL.

AND IN PARTICULAR, THE GEORGE SECTOR, AGAIN, UH, HAD RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES RATIOS, UH, THAT WERE HIGHER THAN THE OTHER SECTORS.

UM, AND THIS INCLUDED, EVEN WHEN WE USE THE CRIMINAL SUSPECT AS THE BENCHMARK COMPARISON, ANOTHER STATISTICAL TECHNIQUE THAT WE USED, UH, OUR MULTI-VARIATE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS, UH, THIS, UH, THIS IS A STATISTICAL MODEL THAT, UH, ESSENTIALLY, UH, SIMULTANEOUSLY CONTROLS FOR MULTIPLE FACTORS THAT PREDICT USE OF FORCE.

UH, WE CANNOT INCLUDE ALL UNFORTUNATELY OF THE POSSIBLE VARIABLES, HOWEVER, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALL MEASURED, UM, BY THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT ALSO, UM, BY ANY POLICE DEPARTMENT, QUITE HONESTLY.

UM, SO THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS TO THESE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS, NONETHELESS, UH, WHAT WE FIND HERE IS THAT AS EXPECTED, THERE ARE CERTAIN PREDICTORS OF FORCE, UM, WITHIN ARREST, UH, LEGAL AND INCIDENT CHARACTERISTICS THAT WERE THE STRONGEST.

THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD NOT MEASURE, FOR EXAMPLE, INDIVIDUALS RESISTANCE AND OFFENSE SEVERITY.

BUT OVERALL, WHEN WE DID, UH, CONTROL FOR SOME OF THESE FACTORS, THERE WERE SMALL RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES THAT REMAINED, AND THE USE OF FORCE BLACKS WERE SLIGHTLY MORE LIKELY THAN WHITES TO BE INVOLVED IN ARREST THAT RESULTED IN THE USE OF FORCE AND ARRESTS, UH, WITHIN AREAS WITH HIGHER VIOLENT CRIME RATES HAD A GREATER LIKELIHOOD OF USE OF FORCE.

AND THIS ALSO VARIED BY RACE IN WHICH CASE BLACK INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE ARRESTED IN COMMUNITIES WITH A LOWER VIOLENT CRIME RATE, WE'RE SLIGHTLY MORE LIKELY TO HAVE FORCE USED AGAINST THEM COMPARED TO THEIR WHITE COUNTERPARTS.

SO IN SUMMARY, ON OUR QUANTITATIVE USE OF FORCE ANALYSIS FOR SIGNIFICANTLY HAS INCREASED IN THE FOUR YEAR PERIOD EXAMINED WHILE ARREST OF SHARPLY DECREASED.

THESE TRENDS COULD BE PARTIALLY EXPLAINED BY CHANGES IN THE USE OF FORCE RECORDING, INCREASING THE USE OF ALTERNATIVES TO ARREST CHANGES IN THE PATTERNS OF USE OF FORCE EXPERIENCE, PARTICULARLY IN 2020.

UH, WE ALSO NOTE THAT THERE ARE TRENDS THAT ARE IMPORTANT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THE USE OF FORCE, THE FREQUENCY AND SEVERITY OF FORCE.

FOR EXAMPLE, UH, LOOKING AND FOCUSING ON IMPAIRED INDIVIDUALS, INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING MENTAL AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CRISES, UM, ARE REPEAT INDIVIDUALS CHANGES IN THE FREQUENCY AND SEVERITY OF THE RESISTANCE THAT'S BEING SHOWN BY INDIVIDUALS, UM, TOWARDS OUR POLICE OFFICERS.

UH, BUT I ALSO KNOW TOO THAT WE HAVE CONSISTENT PROBLEMS IN DATA COLLECTION AND REALLY LIMITATIONS IN THE DATA ANALYSIS THAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR DATA SET.

NONETHELESS, THERE WERE SOME RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES THAT WERE FOUND ACROSS STATISTICAL TECHNIQUES.

THE MAJORITY OF THESE DISPARITIES WERE SUBSTANTIVELY SMALL.

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THEY COULD BE THE RESULT OF UNMEASURED FACTORS.

UM, AND FINALLY JUST NOTING AGAIN, THAT THERE WERE DIFFERENCES, UH, PARTICULARLY IN GEORGE SECTOR THAT, UH, THERE MORE AND NEED MORE EXAMINATION.

AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO NOW TURN THIS OVER TO MARK AND TO RICK, SO THEY CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT A QUALITATIVE USE OF FORCE.

IT'S GREAT TO TALK ABOUT THE QUANTITATIVE INFORMATION, BUT WE KNOW THAT WE CAN ONLY LOOK AT PATTERNS AND TRENDS IN THAT WAY.

AND SO THIS QUALITATIVE ANALYSIS GIVES US MUCH MORE, IN-DEPTH LOOK AT USE OF FORCE CASES.

UM, AND SO I'LL CONTINUE TO CONTROL THE POWERPOINT, BUT I'LL HAVE, UH, MARK OR RICK.

I'M NOT SURE WHO'S PRESENTING NEXT TO GO.

ROBIN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A RICK RICK BROWN WE'LL, UH, WE'LL PRESENT SECTION FOR RICK.

THE QUALITATIVE REVIEW OF ACTUAL INCIDENT REPORTS AND BODY CAM DASH CAM FOOTAGE.

UH, IT WAS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, SIX MONTH WINDOW FROM JUNE THROUGH NOVEMBER OF 2019.

UH, WE EVALUATED, UH, OUR TEAM EVALUATED 1,321 INCIDENTS INVOLVING 200, 2,960.

THIS WAS A FORCE DURING THAT PERIOD, 112 INCIDENTS.

UH, WE IDENTIFIED HAD ISSUES OF CONCERN, UH, 82 OF THESE INCIDENTS INVOLVED, UH, INAPPROPRIATE FORCE OR UNNECESSARY, BUT WE FELT IT WAS AN UNNECESSARY ESCALATION OF THE ENCOUNTER.

38 OF THOSE CASES INVOLVED ADDITIONAL ISSUES OF CONCERN.

AND MOST OF THOSE WERE THE SUPERVISORY TYPE ISSUES, WHICH I'LL ELABORATE ON AS I GO THROUGH THE RACIAL BREAKDOWN OF THE 88 INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED IN THOSE 82 INAPPROPRIATE FORCE OR UNNECESSARILY ESCALATED CASES, UH, THE PERCENTAGES WAS BLACK WAS 28.4% WHITE, 21.6% HISPANIC, 47.7% AND ASIAN OTHER 2.3% EXCELLENT ABROAD.

UM, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE STOP AND FRISK WITHOUT REASONABLE SUSPICION, UH, HANDCUFFING.

WELL, LET ME, BEFORE I GET INTO THAT, LET ME JUST MENTION OUR TEAM, UH, OUR TEAM THAT REVIEWED THESE CASES, WE'VE DIVVIED UP HUNDREDS OF CASES, UH, AMONGST OUR TEAM, UH, TO, UH, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO REVIEW THESE CASES AND, UH, TRY TO IDENTIFY PATTERNS AND TRENDS THAT, UH, THAT WE'VE WE FEEL AS THOUGH SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF, OF, OF THE STAKEHOLDERS HERE.

SO ANYWAY, THE HANDCUFFING EVOLVING STOP AND FRISK APPEARS TO BE AGGRESSIVELY EMPLOYED BY SOME OFFICERS, UH, IN AUSTIN.

UH, MOST OFFICERS IN OUR REPORT STATE THAT THEY THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING THE STOP AND FRISK, THE PHYSICAL DETENTION OF A PERSON, UM, FOR OFFICERS TO SAFE.

UH, AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY ARTICULATING REASONABLE, REASONABLE SUSPICION THAT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IS HAPPENING OR IS BEGINNING TO HAPPEN.

OFFICERS OR OFFICERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE THAT THE SUSPECT OR SUBJECT IS ARMED AND DANGEROUS PRESENTING A DANGER TO OFFICERS OR BY AND BYSTANDERS NECESSITATING THE LIMITED PAT DOWN SEARCH ABOUT A GARMENTS.

UM, OFFICER SAFETY ALONE WILL NOT JUSTIFY A FRISK AND PHYSICAL DETENTION AND NOT, YOU KNOW, I KEEP THINKING, GOING HANDS ON WITH SOMEONE WITHOUT THAT, UH, IS, IS UNNECESSARY.

OFFICERS WILL TELL IN SOME OF THE CASES WE REVIEWED, WE'LL TELL THE SUBJECT, YOU'RE NOT UNDER ARREST AND DONE NOTHING WRONG.

SO THERE WAS NO IDENTIFIED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OR SUSPICION TO CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, BUT RIGHT AFTER THAT STATEMENT, WE'LL TIE THE SUBJECT, TURNED AROUND, PUT THE HANDCUFFS ON YOU, AND WE'RE GOING TO CHECK YOU FOR WEAPONS.

AND WHEN THE SUBJECT AS WHY ARE DISPLAYS CERTAINTY, RACES OR TENSES UP THROUGH, YOU KNOW, AND THAT COULD BE A REFLEX REACTION.

THEY'RE CHARGED CRIMINALLY WE'RE RESISTING ARREST, SEARCH, OR DETENTION, AND THERE WAS NO UNDERLYING CHARGE OR CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THAT LED TO THIS ENCOUNTER, UM, APD OFFICERS, AND SOME OF THE CASES WE REVIEWED OCCASIONALLY ESCALATE THE SITUATION BY NOT INFORMING THE SUBJECT WHILE THEY'RE BEING STOPPED OR DETAINED.

THEY GET CAUGHT IN AGGRESSIVELY PUTTING THE PERSON IN HANDCUFFS AND INDIVIDUALLY.

AND WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT WHEN THE INDIVIDUAL REACTS, THEY GET ARRESTED.

UM, ONE THING I DO WANT TO NOTE IN THE 112 CASES THAT, THAT WE HIGHLIGHTED AS THE CASES OF CONCERN, UH, THE ARRESTING OFFICER ON ONE OF THESE CASES DETERMINED HE DIDN'T HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE TO ARREST THE INDIVIDUAL.

AFTER THE OFFICER HAD USED THE FORCE, HE HAD ALREADY USED THE FORCE AND THEN WAS QUESTIONED THAT, THAT I HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE TO DO THIS TALK, THE SUPERVISOR THAT CAME OUT TO THE SCENE AND THE SUPERVISOR AGREED, AND THE INDIVIDUALS RELEASED THAT WAS THE ONLY CASE I'VE SAW A SUPERVISOR, UM, UH, IN, IN, UH, IN A CASE OF CONCERN, UH, AGREED WITH THE OFFICER THAT, HEY, THIS, THIS WAS NOT APPROPRIATE.

ALSO, WE HAD A NUMBER OF SUPERVISOR ISSUES

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THAT, UH, UH, THAT, THAT ARE, THAT CAME UP IN OUR REVIEW AND IN CASES WHERE THERE ARE UNJUSTIFIED USES OF FORCE, WHETHER IT BE ACTIVELY TARGETING WITH A FIREARM FAILURE TO FOLLOW APD TASER POLICY, LIKE GIVING WARNINGS BEFORE USING A TASER, UH, WRITTEN REPORTS SUBMITTED BY OFFICERS THAT CONFLICT WITH VIDEO OR ISSUES THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED BY SUPERVISORS REVIEWING AND ANALYZING THE, UH, OFFICER'S USE OF FORCE.

UH, IN OUR DATA SET, WE IDENTIFIED NINE POINTING A FIREARMS ARE ACTIVELY TARGETING CASES THAT WE CONSIDERED, UH, PROBLEMATIC PUTTING HER FIREARMS OCCURRED WHERE THE USE OF LETHAL LETHAL FORCE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN JUSTIFIED OR, OR OFFICER'S SAFETY WAS COMPROMISED UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

UM, NEXT NECK RESTRAINTS AND CHOKE HOPES.

WE IDENTIFIED FIVE CASES WHERE NECK RESTRAINTS OR CHOKE HOLDS WERE USED AND THE USE OF LETHAL FORCE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED.

AND THESE INCIDENTS, WE IDENTIFIED TWO CASES WHERE HEAD STRIKES WERE USED, INCLUDING ONE WITH A, UH, AN IMPACT WEAPON.

IN THESE CASES, THE USE OF LISA FOURTH LETHAL FORCE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED ALSO MENTAL HEALTH.

UH, WE IDENTIFIED 21, UH, USE OF FORCE CASES OF CONCERN THAT INVOLVED THE MENTAL HEALTH COMPONENT OF THESE 21 INCIDENTS INVOLVING AN INDIVIDUAL MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

19 OF THEM, WE DETERMINED THAT THE USE OF FORCE WAS INAPPROPRIATE BODY WORN CAMERAS, UH, CRO IDENTIFIED 15 INCIDENTS IN WHICH OFFICERS FAILED TO ACTIVATE THEIR BODY-WORN CAMERAS OR OFFICIAL REPORTS CONFLICTED WITH VIDEO FOOTAGE.

UH, AND LASTLY, UH, WE IDENTIFIED RE INCIDENTS THAT INVOLVE FIELD TRAINING OFFICERS THAT WERE IN THE PROCESS OF TRAINING, UH, TRAINING, UH, RECENTLY GRADUATED OFFICERS, UH, THAT ESCALATED USE OF FORCE ENCOUNTERS WHILE THEY WERE TRAINING, UH, AND MENTORING, UH, TRAINEE.

UH, I FOUND THAT, UH, JUMPED RIGHT OUT AT ME SEEING THAT.

UM, BUT WHAT I ALSO WANT TO NOTE IS FOR THAT TIME PERIOD IN 2019, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DID LOOK AT, UH, WAS THE POLICIES THAT WERE IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME, AND ALSO DURING THIS FOUR YEAR YOUR WINDOW.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE SEARCH AND SEIZURE POLICY OF THE DEPARTMENT STATES THAT A PROTECTIVE FRISK IS BASED UPON REASONABLE SUSPICION.

THAT'S THE CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT.

AND IT'S RIGHT IN THE POLICY.

THAT POLICY WAS OUT IN 2017, UH, IT'S EARLIEST I HAVE FOR THE PERIOD UNDER REVIEW.

UM, IT ALSO THE RESPONSE TO RESISTANCE POLICY IN 2017 REQUIRED OFFICERS TO THE ESCALATE POTENTIAL FORCE ENCOUNTERS IN 2018, THE RESPONSE TO RESISTANCE, UH, INQUIRY, WHERE THE OFFICERS ARE, THE RE THE REPORTING AND THE INQUIRIES INVOLVING THE USE OF FORCE DESCRIBES ACTIVE RESISTANCE AS BEYOND THE INITIAL STIFFENING, BY A PERSON OR PULLING AWAY FROM OFFICERS COMMONLY ENCOUNTERED DURING HANDCUFFING.

AND LASTLY, UH, IN 2019, THE FARM'S POLICY, THE DEPARTMENT SAYS FIRMS SHOULD NOT BE DISPLAYED IN A THREATENING OR INTIMIDATING FASHION AND LETS THE, UNLESS THE SITUATION MAY ESCALATE TO THE POINT WHERE DEADLY FORCE WOULD BE AUTHORIZED.

UH, ALSO, UH, IN 2019, UM, THE, THE FRB FORCE REVIEW BOARD DURING, UH, OUR REVIEW WAS IN EFFECT.

SO W W WHAT THIS, WHAT THIS TOLD ME WAS THAT THE APD HAS POLICY GUIDANCE IN PLACE ON SOME OF THESE RELEVANT, UH, NATIONAL ISSUES.

BUT TO ME, FROM WHAT WE, WHAT WE SAW IN OUR IN-CAMERA REVIEW OF THESE REPORTS, A LOT OF TIMES THE POLICIES ARE NOT BEING ENFORCED.

AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO MARK AROUND.

ACTUALLY, I THINK IT COMES BACK TO ME.

AND SO MY APOLOGIES BACK TO THE STATISTICIAN, YOUR EYES ARE GOING TO START GLAZING OVER WITH ALL OF THESE NUMBERS, BUT I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS A BRIEF AND MANAGEABLE FOR YOU ALL.

UM, WHAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN SECTION FIVE, WE ACTUALLY TOOK A LOOK AT TWO DIFFERENT DATABASES HERE.

WE LOOKED AT VEHICLE STOPS.

SO YOUR STOPPED DATABASE, UM, AND THEN ALL OF YOUR ARRESTS.

SO THE SECTION THREE WAS REALLY ABOUT YOUR USE OF FORCE DATA, WHICH WE EMBEDDED WITHIN ARREST.

UM, BUT HERE WE LOOK AT ARREST SEPARATELY.

SO IN SECTION FIVE, THE FIRST THING TO NOTE IS THAT THE TRAFFIC STOP DATABASE WAS REALLY PROBLEMATIC.

NOW, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE LIMITATIONS HERE WITH YOU, BUT JUST SUFFICE TO SAY THERE WAS NO WAY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO RELIABLY USE DATA THAT WAS COLLECTED PRIOR TO JANUARY 1ST, 2020.

UM, THERE WERE MULTIPLE PROBLEMS WITH THE VEHICLE STOP DATA PRIOR TO THAT TIME.

UM, AND THE 2020 DATA WAS ONLY USABLE BECAUSE OF THE EFFORTS OF THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT TO CLEAN UP THAT

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DATA AND TO PUT IT INTO A USABLE FORM.

UM, SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT JUST MOVING AS YOU MOVE FORWARD, THAT YOU CONTINUE, UM, THOSE NEW TECHNIQUES, BUT ALSO THINK THROUGH A BETTER DATA COLLECTION PROCESS, UM, SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE DATA THAT'S ACCURATE AND RELIABLE.

UH, BUT HAVING SAID THAT WE DID DO ANALYSIS ON ONE YEAR OF TRAFFIC STOP DATA THAT I WILL PRESENT YOU THE FINDINGS, UH, FOR THAT, UM, STARTING WITH JUST ALL STOPS, JUST TO GIVE YOU A BREAKDOWN HERE.

45% OF THE, OF THE VEHICLE STOPS IN 2020 WORLD WHITE INDIVIDUALS COMPARED TO 35% HISPANIC, 15% BLACK AND 5% OTHER 74% OF THOSE STOPS OR OF MALE INDIVIDUALS AND THREE QUARTERS OF THE VEHICLE STOPS WERE FOR MOVING TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS.

UM, NOW THIS SLIDE WILL INDICATE TO YOU THAT I'M NOT, UH, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT RACIAL AND ETHNIC DIFFERENCES AND WHO GETS STOPPED BASED ON THE BENCHMARK ANALYSIS.

AND THE REASON WE'RE NOT USING A BENCHMARK ANALYSIS HERE IS BECAUSE THERE WERE PROBLEMS WITH THE DATA THERE'S LIMITATIONS IN THE BENCHMARK COMPARISONS ANYWAY.

UM, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE CAN'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN OFFICER INITIATED AND DISPATCH STOPS.

AND SO RATHER WE TOOK A LOOK AND USED SOME OF THE MULTIVARIATE ANALYSIS AND BI-VARIATE ANALYSIS THAT I'LL BE PRESENTING HERE TO YOU TODAY.

UH, SO THE FIRST IS THERE WERE RACIAL AND ETHNIC DIFFERENCES AND THE REASON FOR THE VEHICLE STOP.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, WHITE INDIVIDUALS WERE MORE LIKELY TO BE STOPPED FOR MOVING VIOLATIONS COMPARED TO BLACK AND HISPANIC INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE STOPPED FOR OTHER REASONS, INCLUDING VIOLATIONS OF OTHER TRAFFIC LAWS.

UM, AND THEN I'LL JUST A SMALL NOTE HERE.

MOST WERE NOT STOPPED BASED ON PRE-EXISTING KNOWLEDGE.

UH, BUT FOR THOSE WHO WERE, THEY WERE MORE LIKELY TO BE, UH, BLACK COMPARED TO WHITE IN TERMS OF THE OUTCOMES OF A TRAFFIC STOP.

UH, TRAFFIC STOPS CAN RESULT IN AN OUTCOME OF A VERBAL WARNING, A WRITTEN WARNING, A CITATION, OR, OR AN ARREST.

AND WE DO SEE RACIAL AND ETHNIC DIFFERENCES IN THOSE OUTCOMES.

NOW THIS IS NOT CONTROLLING FOR ANY OTHER REASON.

IT'S JUST SIMPLY TAKEN A LOOK AT HOW THESE, HOW THIS INFORMATION BREAKS OUT.

AND WHAT WE SEE HERE IS THAT HISPANICS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE LIKELY TO RECEIVE A CITATION COMPARED TO OTHER RACIAL AND ETHNIC GROUPS AND BLACK AND HISPANICS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE ARRESTED AS THE RESULT OF A TRAFFIC STOP COMPARED TO WHITES.

NOW, WHAT WE DID DO WAS WE TOOK A LOOK AT A MULTI-VARIED ANALYSIS WHERE WE CONTROLLED FOR SOME OF THE LEGAL AND INCIDENT CHARACTERISTICS.

UH, OF COURSE WE COULD NOT CONTROL FOR EVERYTHING.

AND IN FACT, THESE ANALYSES ARE PARTICULARLY LIMITED BECAUSE OF THE LIMITATIONS WITHIN THE DATA AND WHAT INFORMATION IS COLLECTED.

HOWEVER, WHEN WE CONTROL FOR AT LEAST TO SOME OF THOSE CHARACTERISTICS, WE DO SEE THAT SOME OF THESE RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES REMAIN DESPITE CONTROLLING, UH, FOR SOME OF THOSE, AGAIN, LEGAL AND INCIDENT, CHARACTERISTICS, AND PARTICULAR FOR CITATIONS HISPANICS, WE'RE STILL A 1.5 TIMES MORE LIKELY THAN WHITES TO BE ISSUED A CITATION.

AND IN TERMS OF ARREST BLACKS AND HISPANICS WERE 1.7 AND 1.5 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE ARRESTED COMPARED TO WHITE INDIVIDUALS, TAKING A LOOK AT SEARCHES THAT OCCURRED DURING A VEHICLE STOP SEARCHES WERE CONDUCTED.

UM, AND ABOUT ALMOST 8% OF THE TRAFFIC STOPS THAT WERE CONDUCTED IN 2020.

THE MAJORITY OF THESE SEARCHES WERE FOR MANDATORY REASONS, A MANDATORY REASON, INCLUDING INCIDENT TO ARREST, OR AS PART OF AN INVENTORY OF A TOWED VEHICLE.

SO 62% OF THOSE COLLECTEDLY, BUT 37% WERE DUE TO PROBABLE CAUSE REASONS.

AND WHAT WE DO SEE IS FIRST RACIAL AND ETHNIC DIFFERENCES IN THE PERCENTAGE OF, OF INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE SEARCHED.

SO 11% OF BLACKS THAT WERE STOPPED, UH, FOR A TRAFFIC OFFENSE WERE SEARCHED COMPARED TO, FOR EXAMPLE, 5% WHITE AND YOU SEE THEY'RE 10% HISPANIC.

SO BLACKS AND HISPANICS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE LIKELY TO BE SEARCHED.

WE ALSO SEE THAT MALES WERE MORE LIKELY TO BE SEARCHED DURING A VEHICLE STOP.

WE ALSO FIND RACIAL AND ETHNIC DIFFERENCES IN THE REASON FOR THE STOP.

UM, UH, IMPORTANTLY HERE, UH, BLACK AND HISPANIC INDIVIDUALS WERE MORE LIKELY THAN WHITES TO BE SEARCHED, UH, FOR, UH, BASED ON PROBABLE CAUSE.

AND I'M SORRY, I SAID STOPPED.

AND I MEANT SEARCHED WHEN I FIRST, UH, TALKED ABOUT THIS, THE RACIAL AND ETHNIC DIFFERENCES IN SEARCHES DURING TRAFFIC STOPS, UH, WHITE INDIVIDUALS, MORE LIKELY THAN ALL OTHER RACIAL AND ETHNIC GROUPS TO BE SEARCHED INCIDENT TO ARREST.

SO WE DO SEE RACIAL AND ETHNIC DIFFERENCES IN THE REASON FOR THE SEARCH THAT

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WAS CONDUCTED ALSO IMPORTANT THOUGH, TO TAKE A LOOK AT CONTRABAND SEIZURES DURING THAT SEARCH, UM, IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE ABOUT 24% OF THE SEARCHES RESULT IN THE SEIZURE OF CONTRABAND, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO FOCUS MORE SPECIFICALLY ON DISCRETIONARY SEARCHES IN TERMS OF THEIR CONTRABAND SEIZURES, MANDATORY SEARCHES, OF COURSE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT OF THE SEIZURES THERE, BUT REALLY WE WANT TO FOCUS ON OFFICER DECISION-MAKING, WHICH IS MORE INVOLVED IN DISCRETIONARY SEARCHES AND WHAT THE OUTCOMES OF THOSE SEARCHES ARE.

UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE REALLY FOCUS ON RACIAL AND ETHNIC DIFFERENCES ONLY IN DISCRETIONARY SEARCHES TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AND UNDERSTAND ABOUT RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES.

AND WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS CHART HERE IS THAT, UH, IN TERMS OF DISCRETIONARY SEARCHES THAT ARE CONDUCTED, OFFICERS WERE MORE LIKELY TO FIND CONTRABAND DURING SEARCHES OF BLACK INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE SEARCHED FOR DISCRETIONARY REASONS.

32% OF THOSE SEARCHES RESULTED IN THE SEIZURE OF SOME TYPE OF CONTRABAND COMPARED TO 24% OF WHITES.

AND YOU SEE THE HISPANICS LINE IN THE MIDDLE THERE WITH 28% IN TERMS OF CONTRABAND SEIZURES.

SO THEN A SUMMARY HERE OF THE VEHICLE STOPPED DATA FINDINGS, VEHICLE STOPS, SERIOUS DATA LIMITATIONS, NO BENCHMARK ANALYSIS WERE INCLUDED.

THREE QUARTERS OF THE VEHICLE STOPS WERE FOR MOVING VIOLATIONS.

AND THERE WERE SOME RACIAL AND ETHNIC DIFFERENCES IN THE REASON FOR THE STOP MAJORITY.

THESE STOPS, UH, RESULTED IN WARNINGS.

UH, AN ARREST WAS VERY INFREQUENT AT 5% OF THE STOPS.

THERE WERE STILL RACIAL AND ETHNIC DIFFERENCES THAT REMAINED EVEN AFTER WE WERE ABLE TO CONTROL FOR SOME LEGAL AND INCIDENT CHARACTERISTICS.

AND YOU SEE THERE, THE HISPANICS WERE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE LIKELY TO BE ISSUED CITATIONS AND BLACK AND HISPANIC INDIVIDUALS, MORE LIKELY TO BE ARRESTED DURING VEHICLE STOPS.

WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT SEARCHES THAT OCCURRED DURING VEHICLE STOPS, WE FIND THAT SEARCH OCCURS FREQUENTLY ONLY ROUGHLY SEVEN AND A HALF PERCENT OF ALL STOPS SEARCHES ARE MOST LIKELY FOR MANDATORY REASONS.

WE DO FIND SOME RACIAL AND ETHNIC DIFFERENCES IN THE SEARCHES WHERE BLACK AND HISPANIC INDIVIDUALS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE SEARCHED.

UM, WE ALSO FIND DIFFERENCES IN THE REASONS FOR SEARCH, UH, WITH DISCRETIONARY SEARCHES, MORE LIKELY FOR BLACK AND HISPANIC INDIVIDUALS.

BUT WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE SEIZURES, THE CONTRABAND SEAS DURING THOSE DISCRETIONARY SEARCHES, WE FIND IN FACT THAT BLACK AND HISPANIC INDIVIDUALS WERE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE LIKELY TO HAVE CONTRABAND FOUND DURING THOSE SEARCHES COMPARED TO WHITES.

AND THAT TAKES US THEN TO THE ARREST DATABASE.

NOW HERE, WE'RE LOOKING AT FOUR YEARS OF DATA, NOT JUST THE ONE YEAR OF DATA, THE TRAFFIC STOP DATA WAS PARTICULARLY LIMITED.

THE ARREST DATABASE DID NOT HAVE THOSE SAME LIMITATIONS.

SO THESE ARE FOUR YEARS OF DATA.

AND AS I ALREADY MENTIONED TO YOU ARREST HAD COME DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY DURING THESE FOUR YEARS, BUT WE WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT, WAS IT COMING DOWN FOR RACIAL AND ETHNIC GROUPS EQUALLY? AND IN FACT, THERE WERE NO DIFFERENCES IN RACIAL AND ETHNIC, UH, DECLINES IN THE LIKELIHOOD OF ARREST.

UM, WE ALSO SEE, UH, HERE JUST THE BREAKDOWN OF ARREST, UM, WHERE THE MAJORITY OF ARRESTS WERE FOR, UM, HISPANIC INDIVIDUALS, 36% COMPARED TO 33% WHITE AND 27% HISPANIC MALES, MORE LIKELY TO BE ARRESTED COMPARED TO FEMALES TAKEN A LOOK AT THE ARREST RATES ACROSS TO SECTORS.

ONCE AGAIN, WE SEE THAT GEORGE IS THE SIGNIFICANT OUTLIER HERE.

THEY CR THESE ARE OUR REST RATES PER 10,000 RESIDENTS.

UM, AND JUST TO NOTE HERE, AND, AND OF COURSE YOU FOLKS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, BUT IT'S STILL IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN THE GEORGE SECTOR, IT REPRESENTS ONLY 1.3% OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL POPULATION, 7% OF OVERALL REPORTED CRIMINAL OFFENSES FOR THE CITY, 6% OF THE REPORTED VIOLENT CRIME IN YOUR CITY, BUT REPRESENTS 12% OF YOUR ARRESTS AND 23% OF YOUR OVERALL USES OF FORCE.

AND SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN GEORGE SECTOR IS OUT OF PROPORTION BASED ON NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL POPULATION, BUT ALSO REPORTED CRIMES IN THOSE AREAS.

NOW, AGAIN, THERE MIGHT BE A WHOLE HOST OF, OF, UH, LEGITIMATE REASONS FOR THIS, BUT NONETHELESS, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES AND REDUCING THOSE AS WELL, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO START, UH, TAKING A LOOK AT THE ARREST THAT INCLUDES SEARCHES.

NOW, AGAIN, THIS FOUR YEAR PERIOD OF ALL OF THE REST THAT WERE CONDUCTED, 80% OF THOSE ARRESTS INVOLVED SEARCHES, YOU DID HAVE SOME ARRESTS THAT DID NOT RESULT IN SEARCH.

UM, THIS COULD BE BECAUSE THOSE ARRESTS WERE NOT CUSTODIAL ARRESTS, TYPICALLY BY POLICY ARRESTS, IT WOULD INVOLVE A SEARCH INCIDENT TO ARREST, BUT WE DO FIND IN 20% OF THE ARRESTED,

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THAT WAS NOT THE CASE.

UM, AND SO HERE, OF COURSE WE HAVE LIMITATIONS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF A SEARCH WAS CONDUCTED DURING ARREST, UM, BECAUSE IT'S THE REASON FOR THE ARREST OR IF THE RESULT OF THE ARREST.

SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW THAT TEMPORAL DIFFERENCE HERE.

NONETHELESS, WE FOUND NO RACIAL AND ETHNIC DIFFERENCES IN SEARCHES DURING ARREST THAT IS 80% OF BLACK ARRESTEES WERE SEARCHED COMPARED TO 79% OF BOTH HISPANIC AND WHITE ARRESTEES.

SO NO DIFFERENCES THERE ALSO TO NOTE HERE, 30% OF THE ARRESTS THAT RESULTED IN SEARCHES OF THOSE SEARCHES, I'M SORRY, 30% OF THE SEARCHES, UH, RESULTED IN A CONTRABAND SEIZURE AND AN 8% OF THE TIME THAT SEIZURE WAS A WEAPON OVERALL.

AGAIN, THE SEIZURE RATE WAS HIGHEST FOR BLACK ARRESTEES COMPARED TO THE OTHERS.

SO WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT, 35% OF THE ARRESTEE OF THE SEARCHES, UH, DURING AN ARREST RESULTED IN A CONTRABAND SEIZURE FOR BLACKS COMPARED TO 29% OF THOSE, UH, SEARCHES FOR HISPANICS AND 29% FOR WHITE.

SO TO SUMMARIZE ALL OF THOSE FINDINGS FOR YOU IN THE ARREST, UH, WE FOUND DECLINES AND THE REST OVER THE FOUR YEAR PERIOD, CONSISTENT ACROSS RACIAL AND ETHNIC GROUPS, THREE QUARTERS OF THE ARRESTEE INDIVIDUALS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY, BLACK INDIVIDUALS, SLIGHTLY MORE LIKELY TO HAVE NON-CUSTODIAL ARREST THE ARREST RATES DIFFERED ACROSS APD SECTORS.

AND AGAIN, GEORGE SECTOR WAS AN OUTLIER.

WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT SEARCHES THAT OCCURRED DURING THE ARREST.

AGAIN, WE HAVE SERIES D DATA LIMITATIONS HERE, UH, BUT NONETHELESS, 80% OF THE ARRESTS INVOLVE IN SEARCH OF THE SEARCHES CONDUCTED 83% WERE INCIDENT TO AN ARREST, UNLIKE TRAFFIC STOPS.

SO WERE NO RACIAL AND ETHNIC DIFFERENCES IN THE SEARCHES DURING ARREST.

30% OF THOSE SEARCHES RESULTED IN CONTRABAND SEIZURES AND BLACK ARRESTEES WERE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE CONTRABAND SEIZURES THAN OTHER RACIAL, ETHNIC GROUPS.

AND SO WITH THAT, I'M NOT GOING TO TURN AND I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO STOP SHARING MY SCREEN, OR ACTUALLY I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER.

I THINK TO MARK, IS THAT RIGHT? OR, AND I'LL CONTINUE TO SHARE MY SCREEN WHILE YOU, WHILE YOU SPEAK.

UM, YEAH, WE CAN DO IT EITHER WAY, ROBIN, IF YOU CAN, EITHER, UH, EASIER.

UM, I THINK HE MAY HAVE TO MAKE ME THE PRESENTER THOUGH.

YES, THAT'S A PROBLEM WE CAN CONTINUE TO HOLD ON JUST A MOMENT.

I'M STILL TRYING TO MAKE YOU A PRESENTER AND I CAN'T DO IT LOOKS LIKE IT WORKED HERE.

SO LET ME PULL UP, WE'LL START SHARING.

HOPEFULLY PEOPLE CAN SEE THIS IN A SECOND.

CAN EVERYBODY SEE THAT? YES.

NOW, IN LOOKING AT RECRUITMENT CRO FOUND THAT APDS RECRUITING EFFORTS REACH A LARGE GROUP OF DIVERSE CANDIDATES.

WELL THANK YOU ROBIN.

UM, AND I'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH THE LAST, UH, UH, COUPLE SECTIONS FAIRLY QUICKLY, UM, SECTION IN SECTION SIX, UH, FULL REVIEWED APDS RECRUITMENT SELECTION, AND PROMOTION POLICIES AND PRACTICES TO DETERMINE HOW THEY POTENTIALLY IMPACT HISTORICALLY UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS, SUCH AS WOMEN AND PEOPLE OF COLOR.

WE FIRST, UM, WE FIRST LOOKED AT, UM, DIVERSITY WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.

UM, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE DARK BLUE BAR SHOW, THE RACIAL, ETHNIC BREAKDOWN OF APD PERSONNEL AS OF APPROXIMATELY MARCH, 2021, WHILE THE LIGHT BLUE BARS SHOW THE CITY PROPORTIONS BASED ON RECENT RESIDENTIAL, UH, CENSUS DATA.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE DATA SUGGESTS THAT, UM, UH, PROPORTIONALLY, THERE ARE MORE WHITE OFFICERS THAN REPRESENTATIVE OF THE POPULATION, UH, AND HISPANIC AND ASIAN OFFICERS ARE, UH, UNDERREPRESENTED COMPARED TO THE ETHNIC AND RACIAL MAKEUP OF AUSTIN'S POPULATION.

THE NEXT, LET ME JUST GET THE, UH, OKAY.

THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, SHOWS THE RACIAL, ETHNIC BREAKDOWN BY RANK WITHIN APD.

UH, AND WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THAT AT LEAST AMONG, UH, SOME OF THE UPPER RANKS, UH, BLACK AND HISPANIC OFFICERS, UH, ARE UNDERREPRESENTED, UH, COMPARED TO THEIR REPRESENTATION IN THE DEPARTMENT, ALTHOUGH WOMEN ACCOUNT FOR ABOUT HALF THE AUSTIN POPULATION, THEY ACCOUNT FOR A LITTLE OVER 10% OF APD OFFICERS.

NOW THAT'S ONLY SLIGHTLY UNDER THE NATIONAL AVERAGE FOR WOMEN IN POLICE DEPARTMENTS.

UM, AND EXCEPT AT THE COMMANDER LEVEL THAT REPRESENTATION STAYS THE SAME OR IMPROVES, UH, THROUGH THE UPPER RANKS.

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THE DEPARTMENT DOES A GOOD JOB OF ATTENDING A VARIETY OF COMMUNITY EVENTS WITH A FOCUS ON MILITARY RELATED EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS AND OTHER EVENTS THAT ARE FOCUSED ON HISTORICALLY UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS AND NEARLY TWO THIRDS OF THOSE WHO EXPRESSED INTEREST IN APPLYING TO APD AT A RECRUITING EVENT WHERE OF COLOR, UM, NOW, HOWEVER, AND IT'S NOT REFLECTED ON THIS SLIDE, BUT LESS THAN 10% OF THOSE WHO EXPRESSED INTEREST IN APD AT A RECRUITING EVENT ACTUALLY APPLIED.

SO THIS MAY PARTLY EXPLAIN WHY THE RECRUITMENT POOL POOL DEMONSTRATES GREATER RACIAL, ETHNIC, AND GENDER DIVERSITY THAN THE CURRENT DEMOGRAPHICS OF APD AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IN SECTION SEVEN, A ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS SOME WAYS THAT APD CAN IMPROVE ITS ABILITY TO BETTER MATCH THE DIVERSE POOL OF RECRUITS WITH SUCCESSFUL APPLICANTS.

NOW, OVERALL RECRUITS WHO APPLIED TO APD WERE MOST LIKELY TO DO SO IF THEY HAD BEEN RECRUITED AT JOB FAIRS OR INFORMATION SESSIONS, HOWEVER, WE FOUND THAT THE RECRUITING DATA, UH, OR THE RECRUITING UNIT HAS HAD SOME DIFFICULTY ACCURATELY MATCHING THE INFORMATION GATHERED FROM PROSPECTIVE APPLICANTS, EVER RECRUITING EVENTS, UH, WITH APPLICATIONS.

AND WE ADDRESS SOME, SOME DATA ISSUES IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT HIRING AND SELECTION AND WE FOUND THAT APDS HIRING PROCESS IS CONSISTENT WITH STANDARD POLICE DEPARTMENT HIRING PRACTICES IN THE UNITED STATES AND APD FREQUENTLY MODIFIES ITS SELECTION PRACTICES TO INCREASE RETENTION OF QUALIFIED AND DIVERSE APPLICANTS.

OUR ANALYSIS, UH, IN THIS AREA FOCUSED ON, UH, 6,601 TOTAL APPLICANTS FOR CADET CLASSES, ONE 30 TO 1 43 THAT INCLUDED, UH, OVER 5,800 APPLICANTS WHO WERE EVENTUALLY DISQUALIFIED OR DROPPED OUT AT SOME POINT DURING THE PROCESS AND 711 APPLICANTS WHO ULTIMATELY ULTIMATELY BECAME CADETS AT THE ACADEMY, UH, AMONG OTHER THINGS WE FOUND THAT ALTHOUGH THE CURRENT WRITTEN OR COGNITIVE ABILITY TEST FOR APPLICANTS CONTAINED SOME RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES IN SCORES, THESE DISPARITIES WERE SMALLER THAN WITH THE PREVIOUS WRITTEN TEST.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, UH, THIS GRAPH, UM, THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE GRAPH IS ESSENTIALLY LOOKING AT THE PREVIOUS TEST, WHICH WAS CHANGED IN AROUND 2018.

THAT'S THE MDRT AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE NPST, WHICH IS THE CURRENT, UH, WRITTEN TEST.

UM, AND, UH, YOU'LL SEE, THE CURRENT TEST ACTUALLY WAS MARGINALLY MORE DIFFICULT TO PASS FOR ALL APPLICANTS.

UM, BUT REGARDLESS OF WHICH WRITTEN TYPE TESTS WAS TAKEN, WHITE APPLICANTS WERE STATISTICALLY LESS LIKELY THAN APPLICANTS OF OTHER RACES AND ETHNICITIES TO BE DISQUALIFIED DUE TO THEIR WRITTEN TEST RESULTS.

IN CONTRAST, BLACK AND HISPANIC APPLICANTS WERE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE LIKELY THAN APPLICANTS OF OTHER RACES AND ETHNICITIES TO BE DISQUALIFIED DUE TO THE WRITTEN TEST.

NOW WE FOUND NO SIGNIFICANT RACIAL OR ETHNIC DIFFERENCES IN THE PHYSICAL ABILITY TEST FAILURES, UH, AND PRIOR GENDER DIFFERENCES HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED.

THAT WAS WHEN THEY, UM, UH, APD REMOVED THE 2000 METER ROWING TEST FROM, FROM VAT.

UM, BUT IN LOOKING AT BACKGROUND HISTORY STATEMENT FACTORS, WE FOUND THAT BLACK APPLICANTS WERE DISQUALIFIED MORE OFTEN DUE TO OUTSTANDING DEBT AND CREDIT HISTORY REQUIREMENTS.

ON THE OTHER HAND, WHITE APPLICANTS WERE MORE LIKELY TO BE DISQUALIFIED DUE TO THE POLYGRAPH MEDICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAMS. AND THEY WERE ALSO MORE LIKELY TO BE DISQUALIFIED DUE TO DRUG USAGE COMPARED TO BLACK AND HISPANIC APPLICANTS, ULTIMATELY, HOWEVER, AFTER DISQUALIFICATIONS AND OTHER DROP-OFF FACTORS, UM, NEARLY TWO THIRDS OF CANDIDATES HIRED AT APD HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN WHITE, UH, COMPARED TO THE OTHER RACIAL, ETHNIC GROUPS.

UH, AND AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, HISPANIC APPLICANTS IN PARTICULAR OR HISPANIC OFFICERS IN PARTICULAR ARE, UM, STILL UNDERREPRESENTED AT APD.

NOW, GIVEN THAT THE RECRUITMENT POOL IS HAVING SUCCESS IN CREATING, UH, SUCH A DIVERSE APPLICANT POOL, THIS FINDING SUGGESTS THAT MORE WORK AND, AND PROBABLY BETTER DATA IS NEEDED TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE DIVERSITY WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.

AND THEN FINALLY, WE LOOK, WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE PROMOTIONAL PROCESS.

UH, APD DOES HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PROMOTION PROCESS.

UH, WE FOUND NO SIGNIFICANT GENDER DIFFERENCES IN PROMOTION OUTCOMES FROM 2015, 2020.

UH, HOWEVER, UM, WE FOUND THAT ASIAN AND WHITE PROMOTION CANDIDATES WERE PROMOTED AT HIGHER RATES THAN BLACK AND HISPANIC CANDIDATES.

NOW IN PARTICULAR TEST SCORES ACROSS ALL RANKS INDICATE THAT THE PROMOTIONAL WRITTEN TEST MAY HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON CANDIDATES OF COLOR AND BETWEEN YOUNGER AND OLDER CANDIDATES.

UH, HOWEVER, THIS WAS PARTIALLY OFFSET BY SENIORITY BONUS POINTS, WHICH HAVE HELPED CLOSE THE PROMOTIONAL SCORE GAPS TO SOME EXTENT FOR BLACK AND HISPANIC OFFICERS.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT ASSESSMENT CENTER SCORES FOR THE RANK OF SERGEANT, AND

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WE FOUND THAT, UH, ASIAN AND WHITE CANDIDATES HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER AVERAGE RAW SCORES THAN BLACK AND HISPANIC CANDIDATES.

AND THUS, AT LEAST FOR THE RANK OF SERGEANT, THE ASSESSMENT CENTER SCORES HAVE HAD A STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT DISPARATE IMPACT ON BLACK AND HISPANIC PROMOTION CANDIDATES.

AND THEN FINALLY A IN SUCH AND SEVEN, WE PROVIDE COMPREHENSIVE AND DETAILED RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, I'M NOT GOING TO ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY ARE, UM, JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, BUT, UH, THEY DO ADDRESS A NUMBER OF AREAS.

SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DATA COLLECTION RECOMMENDATIONS THAT LOOK AT ARREST DATA, USE OF FORCE DATA AND TRAFFIC STOP DATA.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE USE OF FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS, COVERING POLICY TRAINING AND SUPERVISION.

UH, WE LOOK AT, WE HAVE SOME ORGANIZATIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT EXAMINE AMONG OTHER THINGS, UH, OR ENCOURAGE THE EXAMINATION OF RACIAL, ETHNIC DISPARITIES AND MONITORING THEM OVER TIME.

UH, TREATING STATISTICAL FINDINGS AS DIAGNOSTIC TOOLS, UH, ADOPTING A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO DATA ANALYSIS, TO UNDERSTAND THE REASONS BEHIND EXISTING DISPARITIES, UM, AND IN THE RECRUITING, UH, AREA.

WE SUGGEST AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT APD EXAMINE, TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT RECRUITING EVENTS AND WHAT WORKS, WHAT DOESN'T WORK, CONTINUE TO DEVELOP COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS, UH, IMPROVE ITS STATIC COLLECTION AND ITS LINKING OF DATA.

SO THEY CAN BETTER ANALYZE, UM, WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT'S NOT.

AND THEN, UH, AMONG OTHER THINGS, UH, REINSTITUTING THE EXPLORER PROGRAM, EXPANDED INTERNSHIP PROGRAMS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO FURTHER INCREASE, UH, DIVERSITY, UM, AND FOR SELECTION AND PROMOTIONS.

UM, WE SUGGEST AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT ABD, UH, CONTINUE TO MONITOR ITS WRITTEN TEST DISPARITIES.

UM, WE SUGGEST THAT THEY RETAIN AN INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT TO DO A VALIDATION STUDY OF PHYSICAL FITNESS REQUIREMENTS AMONG OTHER THINGS.

AND THEN IN THE PROMOTION AREA, UM, WE SUGGEST THAT, UH, MORE AFFIRMATIVE SUPPORTIVE MENTORSHIP PROGRAMS, UH, AND RECONSIDERING PROMOTIONAL TEST COMPONENTS AND THE WEIGHTING OF THOSE COMPONENTS AMONG OTHER THINGS WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE HELPFUL.

SO WITH THAT, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO TURN IT OVER TO, UH, QUESTIONS AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TO MAKE THAT PRESENTATION REALLY THANK YOU, MARK AND TEAM, AND REALLY APPRECIATE THE THOROUGH ANALYSIS THAT THIS REPORT DID.

AND, AND THIS IS REALLY PROVIDING THE ROADMAP FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE, UH, CREATING A DEPARTMENT THAT IS IN LINE WITH THE VALUES OF OUR COMMUNITY.

BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO QUESTIONS, I DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE THE CHIEF AND OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND.

I KNOW THAT, UH, HE IS, UH, IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THIS, LOOKING AT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND INCORPORATING THEM INTO HIS ACTION PLANS.

SO CHIEF CHACONE, UH, IF YOU'RE WITH US, UH, ANY INITIAL WORDS BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER FOR QUESTIONS, CHIEF, UH, THANK YOU.

UH, CITY MANAGER, CRONK, UM, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UH, THANK YOU FOR, UM, TAKING THE TIME TO REVIEW THIS PRESENTATION TODAY AND FOR GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO JUST RESPOND, UH, LIKE MANY OF YOU, UH, I'VE JUST RECEIVED THIS REPORT.

UM, I THINK THAT THE REPORT REPRESENTS SOME OF THE GOOD THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING AT THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CERTAINLY REPRESENT SOME AREAS, UH, THAT WE CAN IMPROVE.

UM, MY STAFF WILL BE REVIEWING ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS AND PARTICULARLY, UH, THE SECTION ON RECOMMENDATIONS ON, ON HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BETTER.

UM, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BETTER HAVE BETTER OUTCOMES ESSENTIALLY THEN THAN WHAT THIS REPORT REPRESENTS.

UH, JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS.

UM, I WANTED TO, UH, TO MAKE, WHEN IT COMES TO THE USE OF FORCE PIECE, UH, IT WAS NOTED THAT, UH, WHILE THE NUMBER OF ARRESTS THAT WE HAD MADE HAD HAD DECREASED THE REPORTED NUMBER OF, UH, USE OF FORCES HAD ACTUALLY INCREASED.

UH, AND JUST FOR PERSPECTIVE, WANTED TO, TO NOTE THAT IN NOVEMBER OF 2018, WE ADDED A FOURTH LEVEL OF, UM, FORCE REPORTING TO, UM, TO OUR SYSTEM THAT ACTUALLY SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED THE NUMBER, THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF USES OF FORCE.

UH, AND, AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS PART OF THAT EQUATION AS WELL.

UM, AND THEN WITH REGARD TO SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WERE IN THERE ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE USE OF FORCE THAT, THAT WERE CONCERNING, UM, IN 2000 LATE 2020, AND THEN EARLY 2021, UH, WE HAD, UH, BEGAN TO NOTE, UH, SOME OF THE SAME THINGS IN MANAGEMENT AND WHAT WE DID WAS WE, UM, ACTUALLY CONSOLIDATED ALL OF OUR FORCE REVIEW UNIT, A CITYWIDE INTO ONE FORCE REVIEW, UH, PLACE, UH, INTO THE FORCE REVIEW UNIT.

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AND SO RATHER THAN HAVING INDEPENDENT CHAINS OF COMMAND THAT WERE EVALUATING THE FORCE, UM, THEY ARE NOW GOING TO ONE CENTRALIZED PLACE, UH, TO ELIMINATE, UH, HOPEFULLY TO THE GREATEST EXTENT THAT WE CAN ANY KIND OF BIAS, UH, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING WITHIN THAT, THAT REVIEW OF FORCE, UH, AS IT IS DONE BY PEOPLE THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE CHAIN OF COMMAND OF ANY PARTICULAR OFFICER USING THE FORCE.

UH, AND THEN THOSE ARE REPORTED BACK TO THE CHAINS OF COMMAND, UH, FOR REVIEW, AS THEY FIND VIOLATIONS.

AND WE THINK THAT THIS HAS GREATLY IMPROVED THE PROCESS.

SO, UH, APART FROM THAT, UH, I WANT TO THANK, UH, THE CRUEL TEAM FOR, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, THE ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'VE HAD DURING THIS PROCESS.

UH, AND, UH, AND I'M READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE AS WELL.

THANK YOU COLLEAGUES ALSO WITH THE CHIEF, WE JUST GOT THE REPORT.

I'VE HAD THE CHANCE TO GO THROUGH THE PDF, BUT NOT ACTUALLY READ THE REPORT.

UH, BUT DO, DO PEOPLE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH THEIR QUICK FIRST LOOKS, COUNCILMEMBER KITCHEN? UM, YES, I DO.

UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE IN THE REPORT, THE DETAIL MAY BE IN THE REPORT, BUT, UM, UH, I AM CURIOUS ABOUT, UM, BOTH THE QUANTITATIVE AND THE QUALITATIVE, UM, DATA THAT YOU ALL USED AND THAT YOUR FINDINGS RELATED TO, UM, UH, USE OF FORCE, UH, WHERE THERE WAS A MENTAL, MENTAL HEALTH RELATED, UM, UH, ISSUE, I GUESS MIGHT BE THE WAY TO SAY IT.

SO, UM, I'M WANTING TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE THE DATA THAT, UM, CAN PARSE THAT BY, UM, WHAT THE, UM, WHAT THE CALL WAS ABOUT, I GUESS, IN OTHER WORDS, WERE THESE, UM, WERE THESE INCIDENTS THAT WERE IN RESPONSE TO A NINE ONE, ONE CALL OR WERE THEY INCIDENTS THAT WERE IN RESPONSE TO, UM, AN OFFICER COMING ACROSS SOMEONE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, DURING THEIR PATROL OR, OR SOME OTHER KIND OF INCIDENT, I WOULD BE, UH, INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING, UH, SOME MORE DETAIL ABOUT THOSE PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES WITH REGARD TO MENTAL HEALTH.

WE, WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO MAKE, OR WE ARE NOT ATTEMPTING, BUT WE HAVE MADE SOME, SOME SIGNIFICANT, UM, ADVANCES WITH REGARD TO RESPONDING TO MENTAL HEALTH CALLS IN THE NINE 11 CALL CENTER.

UM, RECENTLY, UM, RELATIVELY RECENTLY IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS, I GUESS, YEAR AND A HALF, UH, RELATED TO HAVING CLINICIANS IN OUR CALL CENTER.

SO I'M, I WOULD BE PARTICULARLY CONCERNED IF THESE WERE USE OF FORCE INSTANCES INVOLVING MENTAL HEALTH THAT HAD SOME RELATIONSHIP TO A CALL THAT CAME THROUGH OUR NINE 11 CALL CENTER.

UM, THEY MAY NOT, THEY MAY BE OTHER KINDS OF, OF, UM, RESPONSES.

AND SO I'D JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THE DETAILED, DO YOU HAVE THAT LEVEL OF, OF DETAIL THAT WE COULD DRILL DOWN TO? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT QUESTION.

I'LL TAKE A STAB AT IT FIRST.

UM, SO WE WERE UNABLE TO MATCH THE CALLS FOR SERVICE DATA SPECIFICALLY TO THE USE OF FORCE DATA.

THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT YOUR ANALYST AT APD COULDN'T DO THAT.

WE WERE JUST, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE UNIQUE IDENTIFIERS TO BE ABLE TO MATCH THOSE TWO DATASETS.

HAVING SAID THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT 38% OF YOUR USE OF FORCE, IT'S INVOLVING SOMEONE WITH A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE AND THAT MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE BY THE WAY, WAS IDENTIFIED BY THE OFFICER ON THE SCENE WHO WAS ENGAGED IN THAT USE OF FORCE.

UM, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT WORK ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND ACTUALLY AUSTIN'S LEADING SOME OF THAT WORK.

UM, AND SO IT WOULD BE, I THINK, REALLY BENEFICIAL TO TAKE A DEEPER, DIVE, A DRILL DOWN INTO BETTER UNDERSTANDING WHAT THOSE CALLS LOOK LIKE.

THOSE CALLS FOR SERVICE, WHO'S RESPONDING TO THOSE CALLS.

UM, AND IF YOU'RE EXPERIENCING DIFFERENTIAL OUTCOMES IN TERMS OF USE OF FORCE, BASED ON WHO'S RESPONDING TO THE CALLS, UM, AND HOW THEY'RE BEING PROCESSED AND YOUR 9 1 1 CENTER.

UM, IN TERMS OF THE QUALITATIVE DATA, WERE, Y'ALL ABLE TO DETERMINE IN YOUR REVIEW OF THE QUALIFIED QUALITATIVE DATA, WHAT THE, WHAT THOSE INSTANCES WERE, UH, IN RESPONSE TO, YES.

I, I, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A COMBINATION OF SEVERAL THINGS.

UH, THERE WAS SOME NINE 11 CALLS FOR LIKE CHECK ON THE WELFARE.

UM, THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN A, UH, CALL, UH, DISPATCH AN OFFICER TO, UH, UH, PERSON, UH, THAT WAS MY, WAS THREATENING SUICIDE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

UH, SO CHECK ON A WELFARE THREATENING SUICIDE, OR EMERGENCY DETENTION.

AND THEN THERE WAS SOME SELF-INITIATED ENCOUNTERS WHERE OFFICERS MAY HAVE ENCOUNTERED SOMEONE HAVING AN EPISODE WHILE THEY'RE

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ON PATROL.

NOW I DON'T HAVE, UH, UH, THOSE NUMBERS WOULD THEY KIND OF SHAKE OUT TO BE, BUT I COULD, I COULD PROBABLY PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER ON THAT.

UH, IF YOU WANT ME TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, I CAN DO THAT.

I, I WOULD LIKE THE, THE FOLLOW-UP CAUSE I WOULD LIKE A BREAKDOWN ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE INITIATION OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WERE THE CIRCUMSTANCES? WAS IT IN RESPONSE TO A NINE 11 CALL? WAS IT IN RESPONSE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE, JUST WHATEVER, WHATEVER IT WAS THAT BREAKDOWN WOULD BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND.

AND CAN YOU REMIND ME AGAIN, THE TIME PERIOD FOR THE DATA THAT YOU ALL WERE LOOKING AT? YES.

FOR, FOR, FOR THE QUALITATIVE, IT WAS JUNE, 2019 THROUGH NOVEMBER, 2019, AND THE FOUR YEAR WINDOW WAS 2017 TO 2020, THE QUANTITY, THE I'M SORRY, THE QUANTITATIVE WAS, WAS WHICH 2017 TO 2020.

GOT IT.

YES, I, I WOULD, UM, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT KIND OF BREAKDOWN AND, AND, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T INFORMATION AND YOU MAY NOT ABOUT WHETHER OUR, UM, THE, THE, THE, THE TRAINING LEVEL OF THE OFFICER INVOLVED, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, WERE ANY OF OUR CIT OFFICERS INVOLVED OR, OR NOT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND.

SO A LOT OF PROGRESS MADE BY APD WITH REGARD TO THEIR RESPONSE.

AND LIKE, IN, LIKE YOU MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO, ROBIN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UH, CUTTING EDGE, REALLY PROGRESSIVE WORK THAT APD HAS BEEN DOING, UH, WITH REGARD TO RESPONSE TO MENTAL HEALTH.

UH, IT, IT IS IN A, IN A PRETTY FOCUSED AREA.

SO THAT'S ONE REASON I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS DATA TO SEE IF THERE'S AN INDICATION OF PERHAPS SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, ADDITIONAL WORK THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO WITH THE QUANTITATIVE DATA IS TAKE A LOOK DURING THAT FOUR YEAR PERIOD, IDENTIFY THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT DID HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE THAT HAD FORCE USED AGAINST THEM AND SEE WHAT THE TRENDS LOOK LIKE OVER TIME.

RIGHT.

WE JUST KNOW WOULD BE HELPFUL TOGETHER IN FOUR YEARS.

WE CAN SEPARATE THAT OUT AND ANTICIPATING THAT YOU MIGHT BE SEEING A DIFFERENCE AS A RESULT OF THE PROGRESSIVE WORK, UM, THAT BOSTON POLICE HAVE BEEN PUTTING FORTH.

I'LL TAKE A DEEPER DIVE ON THIS AND GET BACK TO YOU.

YEAH, THAT'D BE HELPFUL.

AND I'M CURIOUS TO THE NINE ONE ONE CALL CENTER, UH, IT HAS A DIRECT CONNECTION TO A CLINICIAN.

UH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT, UH, WITH REGARD TO OTHER CALLS, BUT, UM, BUT NOT, UM, UH, NOT AS, UM, I'M NOT CERTAIN HOW MUCH THAT IS HAPPENING WITH REGARD TO OTHER CALLS, SO YEAH, SO THAT KIND OF BREAKDOWN WOULD BE HELPFUL.

PERFECT.

AND WE'LL ALSO, WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE IMPAIRMENT BY ALCOHOL AND DRUGS.

I UNDERSTAND YOU DO HAVE SOME ALTERNATIVES TO ARREST, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING THERE.

SO THAT MIGHT BE ALSO A GOOD COMPARISON BOOK.

I GUESS WHEN I SAY MENTAL HEALTH, I'M ALSO INCLUDING SUBSTANCE USE.

UM, SO, SO, UH, SO I WOULD, I WOULD INCLUDE SUBSTANCE USE ISSUES AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

TRAINING AND THE STUDY OF TRAINING GOD, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT TRAINING SOLUTIONS THAT ARE PUT FORWARD AND, AND APPROACHES.

UM, AND KIND OF ALONG THAT LINE, AS PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU LISTED APD POLICY TRAINING AND SUPERVISION AS A WAY, UH, TO REDUCE USE OF FORCE.

AND SO I WANTED TO SEE IF YOU COULD GO OVER JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, HOW TRAINING COULD BE USED TO REDUCE THE USE OF FORCE BY THOSE UNDER THE INFLUENCE, UH, AND, OR HAVING MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE THAT ON FOR MY TEAM, ALTHOUGH I SUSPECT THE CHIEF KNOWS MUCH OF THIS, UH, WORK AS WELL.

THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES IN TRAINING ON POLICE USE OF FORCE, INCLUDING OF COURSE, DEESCALATION TRAINING, BUT THE CIT TRAINING AS WELL.

UM, MY RESEARCH TEAM AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI EXTENSIVELY, WE'VE ACTUALLY JUST PUT TOGETHER A PRETTY DETAILED ASSESSMENT OF THE FIELD IN TERMS OF THE RESEARCH, WHAT THE RESEARCH IS SHOWING FOR FOR THE BEST TRAINING TECHNIQUES.

I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH THIS COUNCIL, UM, AND WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.

UH, BUT SORT OF THINKING THROUGH WHAT THOSE, WHAT THOSE STRATEGIES LOOK LIKE.

OF COURSE I CAT TRAINING, WHICH I BELIEVE THE CHIEF ALREADY BEEN INVOLVED IN IN SOME WAY, UH, WITH THE DEESCALATION TRAINING.

AND OF COURSE THOSE CIT OFFICERS WERE, UM, WE'VE JUST RECENTLY, UH, BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, WITH THE BUREAU OF JUSTICE ASSISTANCE TO UPDATE THAT CIT TRAINING NATIONALLY.

UM, THOSE THAT NEW MATERIAL WILL BE AVAILABLE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.

AND WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.

ROBIN'S BEING MODEST BECAUSE THAT

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UM, BUT THAT TRAINING IS THE ONE THAT'S ONLY BEEN PEER REVIEWED BY EXPERTS IN ACADEMIA ON SIDE TO HAVE ACTUAL RESULTS.

SO WE SAW THAT DOWN IN LEWISVILLE, RIGHT? UH, GOT THE WRONG CITY LOUISVILLE, AND WE DID SOME OF THE TRAINING THAT'S GOING ON AT THE ACADEMY.

NOW WE'RE ALTERNATIVES TO GOING HANDS ON, UH, WAITING, SLOWING THINGS DOWN, NOT HAVING THE LIGHTS FLASHING IN SOMEBODY'S EYES WHEN, YOU KNOW, UM, NOT HAVING A LOUD SIRENS, UM, TIMING AND ISSUES.

SO THE TRAINING IS THERE, THE SUPERVISORY ISSUES ARE MAKING SURE THAT SUPERVISORS ARE RESPONDING TO EACH USE OF FORCE AND CONDUCTING A FULL AND THOROUGH INVESTIGATION.

UM, SOMETIMES, UM, YOU KNOW, WE THINK WE'VE GOT A FULL INVESTIGATION AND SOMETIMES LEGAL ISSUES GET INVOLVED WHERE SUPERVISORS DON'T HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE SUBJECT BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'VE GOT A SIXTH AMENDMENT, RIGHT.

TO NOT TALK TO POLICE ABOUT THE CRIME THEY'RE CHARGED WITH.

WELL, THE SUPERVISORS AREN'T TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THE CRIME, THE SUPERVISORS ARE GETTING THEIR SIDE OF THE STORY OF WHAT HAPPENED DURING WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE USE OF FORCE ENCOUNTER.

AND WHETHER THEY, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU THAT THEY WERE OUT OF CONTROL AND THEY MADE A MISTAKE.

THEY DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS A COP AND, YOU KNOW, PUNCH BEFORE THEY KNEW WHAT IT WAS.

SOMETIMES THEY WILL TELL YOU A DIFFERENT SIDE OF THE STORY THAT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, MINDING THEIR OWN BUSINESS AND WERE ASSAULTED.

AND THERE'S ALSO INDEPENDENT WITNESSES THAT SHOULD BE CONSULTED ONCE THAT HAPPENS IN THIS SUPERVISOR RESPONSE TO USE OF FORCE, UH, COPS HATE PAPERWORK.

SO IF, IF THERE'S A PROCESS IN PLACE FOR THEM TO FILL OUT FORMS AND PAPERWORK AND MORE DATA, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL SLOW THINGS DOWN AND TAKE THAT DEEP BREATH, GET THERE AND MAKE DOULA OUT OF, UM, BEING HIJACKED BY STRESS ON ADRENALINE, AND THEN GO TO THEIR TRAINING WHERE THEY CAN KIND OF USE THE LEAST LEVEL OF FORCE AND THEN HOPEFULLY NOT ESCALATE IT TO THE OTHER.

SO, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THE POLICIES THAT THE CHIEF HAD MENTIONED, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE LATER, I HAVE HAVE DONE THAT.

HAVING TO CENTRALIZE LOOK AT ALL OF THESE.

SO DOES THE STANDARDIZED RESPONSE TEACH YOU SOME FORCE? NOT WHAT ONE PERSON THINKS IS OKAY.

AND ANOTHER PERSON THINKS IS, IS OUT OF BOUNDS.

UM, AND THEN SEEMS LIKE IT'S, UH, ON THE WAY TO BEING SUCCESSFUL.

AND ONE LAST COMMENT, I'LL JUST NOTE, UM, AGAIN, SORT OF BRAGGING ABOUT THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT, CAUSE THEY ARE STEPPING UP AND DOING INNOVATIVE THINGS, PARTICULARLY NOW IN THE TRAINING ACADEMY.

UM, THEY HAVE BROUGHT ICAT TRAINING TO THE RECRUIT OFFICERS, UM, AND NOT JUST AS AN IN-SERVICE TRAINING, BUT FOR, FOR THE ACTUAL RECRUITS AND HAVE ENGAGED IN RESEARCH OF THEIR OWN, WHERE THEY'RE DOING A PRE-POST, UH, EXAMINATION OF THE IMPACT OF THAT TRAINING.

IT'LL BE ONE OF THE FIRST AGENCIES IN THE COUNTRY THAT'LL HAVE THAT TYPE OF ACCESS OF INFORMATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THOSE TRAININGS ARE EFFECTIVE AND HAVING AN IMPACT ON OFFICERS AS THEY ENTER THEIR CAREER AND INTO THE FIELD.

UM, ANOTHER THING THAT'S HAPPENED AT THE TRAINING ACADEMY WITH USE OF FORCE, UM, WHEN THERE IS A USE OF FORCE CONDUCTED, UH, AN OFFICER IS INJURED, UM, THE ACTUAL INSTRUCTORS WHO DO THE TRAINING OF THE POLICY OF THE PROCEDURES REVIEW THE VIDEO, REVIEW THOSE CASES FROM A TRAINING PERSPECTIVE TO SEE IF THERE'S A TRAINING ISSUE THAT DEN ON TRAINING PEOPLE FOR, IF PEOPLE NEED SOME REMEDIAL HELP, UM, TRAINING IS EXCELLENT, BUT LIKE ANYTHING, IF YOU DON'T GET YOUR SKILL SETS, ESPECIALLY A PHYSICAL SKILLSET AND PRACTICE IT, YOU LOSE THAT MUSCLE MEMORY.

SO THE LEARN SKILLS UNIT IS TASKED NOT ONLY WITH TRAINING RECRUITS, BUT WHILE WE WERE THERE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY BRINGING IN OFFICES OFF THE STREET WHO ARE GOING THROUGH THEIR JUJITSU AND GROUND FIGHTING AND, AND YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW TO UTILIZE A FORCE IN THE MOST EFFECTIVE MANNER.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY ALSO GOING OUT TO THE POLICE STATIONS AND DOING A TRAINING AS WELL AS, AND THEY'RE THE ONES WHO OFTENTIMES FLAG, FOR EXAMPLE, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE USED TO BE THE CRIMES WHERE FORCE WAS USED MORE OFTEN THAN NOT.

AND NOW WE'RE SEEING IT'S ENCOUNTERS WITH PEOPLE, UM, WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND WHO ARE TRANSIENT, WHERE THEY'RE SEEING MORE USE OF FORCE.

SO, UM, THEY CERTAINLY GOT ON IT AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS A SOLUTION.

DALE, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THE SOCIAL SCIENCE COMMUNITY.

IT'S GREAT TO HEAR THAT THE RECOMMENDATION OF, UH, CHANGING THE WAY WE DO TRAINING AS A STRATEGY TO REDUCE USE OF FORCE IS ALREADY UNDERWAY AND THAT WE'RE SEEING SIGNIFICANT STRIDES WITH OUR REFORMED CADET ACADEMY.

SO THRILLED TO HEAR THAT NEWS.

UM, THE LAST OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS AROUND THE QUANTITATIVE DATA THAT WAS PRESENTED, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT, UM, RESIDENTIAL POPULATION, ISN'T A BENCHMARK THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.

IN FACT, YOU SAID THAT IT WAS FLAWED AND THAT MANY SCIENTISTS DISREGARD IT.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHY THAT IS THE CASE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DISPARITIES.

ABSOLUTELY.

UM, UH, WELL WE HAVE

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UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, UM, HAS, HAS REALLY, UH, STRAYED AWAY FROM USING THAT AS A, AN APPROPRIATE BENCHMARK SINCE QUITE FRANKLY, THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.

UM, SO IT'S ONLY RECENTLY THAT THIS HAS SORT OF BEEN BROUGHT BACK UP, UM, AND HAS BEEN PUT FORWARD BY, BY SOME FOLKS AS AN APPROPRIATE COMPARISON.

UM, I WILL SUGGEST TO YOU THAT THE RESIDENTIAL POPULATION DOES NOT REPRESENT INDIVIDUALS AT RISK, UH, AT RISK FOR, UM, FOR A TRAFFIC STOP.

UM, WE KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH TRAFFIC STOPS, YOUR RISK OF BEING STOPPED FOR A TRAFFIC OFFENSE DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU DRIVE WHEN YOU DRIVE, HOW YOU DRIVE, WHAT YOU DRIVE AND PERHAPS WHO YOU ARE.

AND SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT RESIDENTIAL POPULATION, UH DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR ANY OF THOSE FACTORS.

UM, AND THE SAME IS TRUE IN PARTICULARLY SO FOR USE OF FORCE, UH, YOUR LIKELIHOOD OR YOUR RISK OF HAVING FORCE USED AGAINST YOU IS HIGHLY DETERMINED BY, UH, FACTORS THAT ARE NOT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL POPULATION, INCLUDING THINGS LIKE RESISTANCE SHOWN TO THE POLICE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE STRONGEST FACTORS TO PREDICT THE LIKELIHOOD OF USE OF FORCE.

UM, SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT RESIDENTIAL POPULATION, UM, WHAT IT, WHAT IT DOES IS IT JUST GIVES YOU SORT OF A BASELINE.

WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE FOR OUR POPULATIONS, PARTICULARLY OUR POPULATIONS OF COLOR.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE HERE? BUT NOTE THAT RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES DOES NOT MEAN BIAS.

UM, AND IF WE REALLY WANT TO REDUCE THESE DISPARITIES, WE HAVE TO GET PAST THAT NOTION THAT IT AUTOMATICALLY MEANS BIAS AND BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES ARE TRULY WHAT'S TRULY HAPPENING.

AND IF YOU FURTHER, IF YOU LOOK AT ANY NEGATIVE OUTCOME ACROSS OUR SOCIETY, ACROSS DISCIPLINES, ACROSS THE AREAS, WE FIND THAT THERE ARE RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES AND FOR INSTANCE, HEALTH OUTCOMES, POOR HEALTH OUTCOMES, EDUCATIONAL OUTCOMES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

UM, AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT AND WE LOOK AT IT AND COMPARE IT TO OUR RESIDENTIAL POPULATION, WE RECOGNIZE THERE ARE PROBLEMS. HOWEVER, TO DRILL DOWN FURTHER, TO UNDERSTAND BETTER WHY WE HAVE THOSE RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES, WE NEED TO STEP WELL BEYOND RESIDENTIAL POPULATION AND REALLY LOOK AT THE POPULATIONS AT RISK FOR THOSE PARTICULAR TYPES OF ADVERSE OUTCOMES.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I THINK I'M STILL GONNA NEED TO PROCESS THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SO MUCH OF THE INFORMATION THAT I HEAR FROM COMMUNITY FROM OUR COMMUNITY IS, YOU KNOW, LATINOS MAKEUP, 34% OF AUSTIN, AND YET WE'RE DISPROPORTIONATELY REPRESENTED IN THE ARRESTS AND THE SEARCHES IN THE CITATIONS.

UM, SO I WILL CONTINUE TO PROCESS WHAT THAT MEANS.

THE DIFFICULTY OFTEN COMES BECAUSE SOME OF THE FACTORS THAT, UH, UH, THE PROFESSOR WAS RELATING TO ARE THEMSELVES RELATED BACK TO ETHNICITY OR, OR RACE, UH, AS THE FACTORS THAT WERE LISTED MIGHT BE MUCH MORE COMMON IN ONE RACE OR ETHNICITY BECAUSE OF HISTORIC DEPRIVATIONS AND HEALTHCARE OR LACK OF FAMILY WEALTH.

UH, SO IT'S NOT SO, SO THOSE, EVEN IF YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T USE THEM FOR THOSE REASONS OR, OR CONSIDER THEM, YOU CAN'T IGNORE THE FACT THAT EVEN THOSE FACTORS ARE, ARE, ARE SOMETIMES ALSO TIED TO RACE AND ETHNICITY, UM, COUNTS OF EVER ALTER.

JUST FOR, FOR KNOWLEDGE HERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF AN OUTLIER, UM, THAT AREA, BECAUSE THAT SEEMED TO BE ONE OF THE AREAS WITH THE MOST DISPARITIES.

UM, APPRECIATE THE REPORT AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO READING IT MORE CAREFULLY.

AND PERHAPS WHEN YOU COME BACK, IF WE HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, WE CAN EITHER HAVE A MECHANISM TO PROVIDE THOSE QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE OF OUR NEXT MEETING, OR, UM, ASK THEM SINCE YOU'RE COMING BACK FOR ANOTHER PRESENTATION.

UM, I WANTED TO THOUGH A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDERSTAND THE, THE CROSS SECTOR, UM, EVIDENCE THAT YOU WERE SHOWING WITH THE DISPARITIES.

UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, SLIDE 13, FIND IT NOW, UM, FIVE, 13, UM, LOOKS ACROSS THE SECTORS, UM, AND HAS USE OF FORCE BY APD SECTOR.

UM, BUT IT'S MEASURING USE OF FORCE PER 10,000 RESIDENTS.

UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THE GEORGE SECTOR HAS FEWER RESIDENTS.

SO WELL, IT'S TEMPTING TO THINK THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE THERE THAT'S REALLY THE RATIO PER 10,000 RESIDENTS.

SO IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE THAT

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IT'S ALSO ONE OF THE AREAS WITH THE MOST OFFICERS.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THERE'S SOME NUANCES THERE THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ACROSS THE SECTORS.

WE HAVE ANOTHER REPORT FROM ANOTHER GROUP THAT IS SORT OF SUGGESTING THAT THERE MAY BE TOO MANY OFFICERS IN GEORGE RELATIVE TO EDWARD, OR AT THE VERY LEAST THAT WE NEED TO PUT MORE OFFICERS IN EDWARD.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE, AS WE TALK ABOUT THESE CHOICES, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE SECTOR VARIATIONS BETTER.

SO MAYBE IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT, CAUSE I, I'M NOT HAVING READ THE REPORT, JUST LOOKING HERE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT CONCLUSIONS TO BE DRAWING.

WELL, WE DO, WE DO DRILL DOWN AND LOOK AT THE SECTOR LEVEL ON A VARIETY OF ANALYSES.

I'VE ONLY PRESENTED ONE OR TWO OF THOSE SLIDES HERE TO YOU TODAY.

UM, BUT WHEREVER WE LOOK THERE ARE NOT ONLY, UM, DIFFERENCES AS YOU KNOW, UM, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS THE SLIDE THAT YOU NOTE IS PER 10,000 RESIDENTS.

WE KNOW THAT GEORGE SECTOR HAS A SMALLER RESIDENTIAL POPULATION.

IT IS YOUR ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

AND SO JUST LIKE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT USING RESIDENTIAL POPULATION DATA TO BETTER MEASURE RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES, THAT THAT'S PROBLEMATIC, THIS IS THE SAME HERE.

NONETHELESS, YOU DO SEE THAT THE SHARE OF USE OF FORCE OR 23% OF THE USE OF FORCE AND THE CITY-WIDE IS CONCENTRATED IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTOR.

UM, AND YOU ALSO SEE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THE ARRESTS THAT ARE CONCENTRATED IN THIS AREA.

AND NOW THERE COULD BE A LOT OF, AGAIN, LEGITIMATE CRIME CONTROL REASONS FOR THAT.

UM, BUT THERE ALSO MAY BE CHOICES REGARDING DEPLOYMENT, UM, HOW THE OFFICERS ARE ENGAGING IN A PROACTIVE WAY.

UM, AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT YOUR CITIZENS WANT TO BE POLICED IN THAT WAY IN THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT.

UM, I'M ALL I'M DOING IS IDENTIFYING AND RECOGNIZING THAT THERE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT GOING ON IN GEORGE SECTOR AND THEN LEAVE IT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S APPROPRIATE USE OF THEIR RESOURCES, HOW THEY'RE DEPLOYED, ET CETERA.

AND THEN OF COURSE, LEAVE IT TO THE COMMUNITY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT MAKES SENSE, UH, FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.

WAS JUST LEAVING A BAR, WE WERE HOLDING THE BAR AS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE LICENSES AND, AND PUT SOME PROCESSES IN PLACE WHERE WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TEAMS GOING OUT AND CHECKING ON THE BARS AND CHECKING IN THE ENVIRONMENT THERE.

BUT IF I WANTED TO REALLY SIMPLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON DIFFERENTLY IN GEORGE SECTOR, FROM THE ANALYSIS, WHAT WOULD THE TAKEAWAYS BE? I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT I'M TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE SLIDE NUMBER HERE, I THINK YOUR BIGGEST TAKEAWAY IS ON SLIDE.

I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE HERE, SORRY.

UM, UH, SLIDE 39 IN YOUR PACKET.

UM, AGAIN, I DIDN'T PRESENT ALL OF THE SLIDES TO YOU TODAY, BUT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT SLIDE NINE, UM, THAT IS, THAT IS ONE OF THE SORT OF, UM, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, GEORGE REPRESENTS 1.3% OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL POPULATION, 7.2% OF YOUR REPORTED CRIME, 6% OF YOUR CITY'S REPORTED VIOLENT CRIME, 12% OF YOUR ARRESTS AND 23% OF YOUR USE AS A FORCE.

SO SOMETHING IS GOING ON HERE.

I'M NOT ABLE TO TELL YOU WHAT THAT SOMETHING IS.

THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OVER A FOUR YEAR PERIOD TAKING A LOOK AT PATTERNS AND TRENDS.

UM, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE DO WAY WE IDENTIFY WHERE THOSE ISSUES ARE.

AND THEN FROM THERE, UM, THE NEXT STEP IS TO REALLY BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THOSE AREAS AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT TREND IS CONTINUING PAST 2020 AND FROM A POLICE PROBLEM ORIENTED POLICING, IT PROVIDES A LOCATION AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR APD AND THE COMMUNITY TO DO AN ANALYSIS AS TO WHAT TYPE OF CRIME IS GOING ON.

WHEN IS IT OCCURRING? I SUSPECT, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10 TO 4:00 AM, RIGHT AS, UM, THERE'S A HOLE IN PROCESSES TO FIND OUT WHETHER THERE ARE PROBLEM PROPERTIES.

ARE THERE BARS AND RESTAURANTS THAT ARE SERVING PEOPLE OR THAT ARE ATTRACTING A CROWD THAT IS RATHER AGGRESSIVE AND NON-RESPONSIVE TO POLICE, ARE THERE BETTER MANAGERS WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, MANAGING THEIR BARS AND THEIR STAFF EFFECTIVELY? UM, IS THERE A NEED FOR, UH, SUPPORT FOR THE POLICE THAT ISN'T LAW ENFORCEMENT DRIVEN, BUT YOU NEED PERSONNEL WITH EYES AND EARS ON THE STREET, LIKE A BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.

UM, I CAN JUST TOTALLY TELL YOU FROM BOSTON, WE HAVE A SIMILAR SITUATION IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA AND WE HAD TO THEN ADMINISTRATIVELY START GOING AFTER THE BARS THAT WHEN A FIGHT WOULD OCCUR AND IT WAS SOMEBODY WHO

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SO I THINK THERE'S SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES THERE, UM, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, ATTRACT PEOPLE DOWN THERE.

THERE'S ALSO THE CHALLENGE OF, YOU KNOW, DO ALL THE NIGHTCLUBS, GET OUT AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE, UH, EVERYONE LEAVES THE CLUB IN TWO IN THE MORNING, YOU'VE GOT 70, 80,000 PEOPLE.

WE IN BOSTON STARTED AS SEE IF WE COULDN'T GET SOME OF THE CLUBS TO STAGGER THEIR CLOSINGS.

AND THEN WE SHUT DOWN SOME TRAFFIC STREETS BECAUSE WE FIND LATE NIGHT IN THE BAR AREA IS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AND THEY HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE AND THEY CAN'T STAY HOME, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO GO HOME AND THEY'RE HANGING OUTSIDE HAVING A SMOKE.

THEY'RE TALKING TO EACH OTHER.

UH, WE WOULD FIND OFTENTIMES MANY VEHICLES WOULD LOOP THE BLOCK, LOOKING TO SEE IF THEY COULD CONTINUE THE PARTY WITH SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE.

AND BY CHANGING THOSE TRAFFIC ROUTES, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO PREVENT THAT RE INTERACTION, UH, DURING VERY CRITICAL TIMES.

BUT I THINK IT'S, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE ON THE CHIEF AND THE, OF THAT DIVISION AND THE OFFICERS THERE WITH, WITH THE COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP AND THE BUSINESS LEADERSHIP THERE TO MAYBE IDENTIFY SOME DIFFERENT WAYS AND STRATEGIES TO, TO DO THINGS, UH, UH, TO TRY AND GET THAT DOWN, THAT A SOLUTION AND GEORGE WOULD HAVE A DEFINITE IMPACT ON AN OVERALL IMPROVEMENT ACROSS THE AGENCY.

OF BUSINESS 10, BUT WE NEED TO STAY IN TOUGH WITH THEM AND MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TOLERATE THIS KIND OF CONDUCT.

I JUST WANT TO, I MEAN, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD RATIONALE FOR THE WORK THAT COUNCIL MEMBER TOVO HAS BEEN LEADING FOR THE SAFER SIXTH STREET AND ALL OF THOSE EFFORTS.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT WE ARE AWARE OF THE CHALLENGES IN THAT AREA AND HAVE, HAVE TAKEN POLICY STEPS TO PUT THINGS IN MOTION.

UM, YOU KNOW, THIS DATA'S A LITTLE BIT OLDER, UH, YOU KNOW, STILL ARE PROBLEMS. UM, BUT, BUT I DO THINK IT'S, I JUST WANT TO NOTE, UM, THAT WORK THAT'S IN PROGRESS AND THAT, UM, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE CHALLENGES AND THEN CATHY AND YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE BEEN SAYING ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PARTICULAR AREA IS THAT PART OF IT IS IN MY DISTRICT TWO, WHICH IS SIXTH STREET AND, UH, THE DIFFERENT BETWEEN A LOT OF THE SIXTH STREET AREA PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE HAVING IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL.

AND WE, WE, UH, WE, WE STARTED A PACKAGE TWO YEARS AGO, UH, WITH COMMUNITY POLICING AND, UH, THAT'S WHAT REALLY HELPED US OUT IN, IN MY PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, AND THAT'S THE SAYS A CHILD IS, WHICH IS, UH, THE BORDER OF IT OUT INTO THE WEST SIDE IS 35.

AND, UH, WE WORKED AND GETTING OUR COMMUNITY AND WE INCLUDED BUSINESS PEOPLE INTO OUR CONTACT TEAM.

AND WE IMPLEMENTED A COMMUNITY POLICING AND HAVE POLICE OFFICERS TO GET TO KNOW THE RESIDENTS THERE AND THE BUSINESSES AND THAT WAY THEY WERE BEING, THEY WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHERE THE PROBLEMS WERE AT AND THEN FOCUS ON THE PARTICULAR BUSINESS THAT WERE PROBLEMS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT WE COULD ADDRESS THOSE KIND OF ISSUES.

AND, AND, AND IT WORKED, OUR AREA USED TO BE THE HIGHEST CHARLIE HERE AND NOW IT HAS BEEN REDUCED.

AND, AND IT'S BECAUSE OFFICERS ACTUALLY GOT OUT OF THEIR CARS AND GOT TO KNOW US.

THE OFFICER THAT ONE STOPPED ME IN THE EIGHTIES, MID EIGHTIES, MY WIFE WAS DRIVING DOWN ON SIXTH STREET.

ONE HEADLIGHT WAS THAT OUT.

I HAD TO HEAD LOUD, LIGHT IN MY PASSENGER SEAT AND THEY STOPPED US.

AND ALL I SAID WAS OFFICER, UM, WE'RE JUST ABOUT TO GET IT FIXED.

I HAVE THIS LIGHT HERE AND THE OFFICER SAID SOMETHING ON THE PHONE.

THIS OTHER GUY CAME HISPANIC.

OFFICER JERKED ME OUT, THREW ME UP AGAINST THE CAR.

HE SAID, YOU'RE DRUNK, ARRESTED ME AND CHARGED ME FOR A RESISTING ARREST.

AND NOW WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY GOOD FRIENDS.

NOW, ISN'T THAT AMAZING THAT HE THREW ME IN JAIL AND LOCKED ME UP.

AND THEN HE ASKED FOR FORGIVENESS AFTERWARDS, WHEN, ONCE HE KNEW WHO I WAS, YOU KNOW, I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT OFFICER AGAIN, IN FACT, HE WENT OUT AND ON TO SERVE HIS TIME AND RETIRED IS STILL IN GOOD STANDING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO SEE IN THIS, IN THIS TOWN WHERE WE ACTUALLY GET TO KNOW THESE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED, ESPECIALLY THE BUSINESS, CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE HARASSED.

THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THEIR TITLE LIKE LICENSE POOL, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THEY'RE OUT

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AND WE KNOW THERE'S A FEW BARS THERE ON THE, ON THE WEST OF, UH, 35 ON SIXTH STREET THAT ARE CAUSING A LOT OF PROBLEMS AND WE REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AND I'M WILLING TO HELP OUT MY COLLEAGUE, NO COUNCIL MEMBER TOTAL, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS AND THE HEADACHES THAT WE'RE HAVING NOW IS IN THAT AREA.

AND WE NEED TO REALLY TEST ADDRESS IT.

AND NOW WITH, WITH THE STATE LAW, ALLOWING ANYBODY TO OWN A GUN AND BUY A GUN AT 18 AND OLDER, YOU KNOW, THIS IS VERY SCARY.

I DON'T EVEN LIKE TO GO DOWN THERE ANYMORE.

I USED TO GO AND ENJOY MYSELF THERE AT THE RICH AND EAT SOME PIZZA, BUT I WON'T GO DOWN THERE ANYMORE BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE ARE PACKING AND UM, AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY SCARES ME.

SO I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT BECAUSE IT BROUGHT ME BACK A LOT OF OLD MEMORIES OF HOW, UH, AUSTIN APD USED TO CONDUCT THEMSELVES.

THANK YOU, KATHY.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT INFORMATION.

AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, ALTER AND, AND RENTERIA.

I, I BELIEVE YOU'RE BOTH PART OF, OF THE SAFER SIXTH STREET RESOLUTION THAT I BROUGHT FORWARD OVER THE SUMMER AND THERE'LL BE A FOLLOW-UP I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE SAME WITH SOME OF THE SAME OFFICES TO BRING FORWARD THE NEXT BATCH OF RECOMMENDATIONS, FOLLOWING ON THE MEMO THAT OUR STAFF PROVIDED.

UM, AND SOME OF THEM, I THINK, RESPOND, RESPOND TO WHAT WE JUST HEARD ABOUT REALLY WORKING WITH SOME OF THE BUSINESSES AND, AND, UM, PUTTING SOME EXPECTATIONS ON HOW TO DEAL WITH VIOLENT, VIOLENT SITUATIONS.

I'M INTERESTED.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO EXPLAIN, THANK YOU.

THIS IS A LOT TO DIGEST.

IT IS CRITICAL INFORMATION AS WE CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION IN OUR COMMUNITY.

I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WATCHING THIS SESSION UNDERSTANDS THAT WE GOT THIS INFORMATION, I THINK LATE YESTERDAY, SOME OF US NOT UNTIL THIS MORNING, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH EMAIL YOU HAD IN YOUR BOX AND WHEN YOU NOTICED IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HUGE REPORT, UM, AND A POWERPOINT.

AND I THINK OUR MAYOR PRO TEM ASKED US POTENTIALLY TO COME AROUND AND HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT IT PUBLICLY AND I, AND AS A COUNCIL.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL ONCE WE'VE ALL HAD TIME TO REALLY DIG INTO IT.

UM, I'M SURE THERE'LL BE MORE QUESTIONS AND I KNOW I'LL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.

I AM INTERESTED REALLY INTERESTED IN THE GEORGE SECTOR DATA AS WELL.

AND I WONDERED IF, IF THERE IS A SECTION IN THE REPORT THAT LOOKS AT, UM, THE STATISTICS AND BREAKS IT DOWN BY, BY, UM, I THINK YOU HAD SOME NUMBERS THAT LOOKED AT LEVELS OF IMPAIRMENT.

AND I WONDERED IF THOSE WERE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO ASK THIS QUESTION IF, IF THE DATA FOR GEORGE SECTOR IS ALSO FACT, IF, IF THAT IS OVER LAID WITH THE DATA FROM GEORGE SECTOR OR OTHER AREAS, CAN WE GET THAT, THAT, UH, CROSS TABS, IF YOU WILL, TO USE KIND OF A POLITICAL POLLING TERM, UM, IS THERE A KIND OF CROSS TABS DATA LOOKING AT THOSE TWO ELEMENTS TOGETHER ALONGSIDE ONE ANOTHER OR YOUR POLITICAL POLLING TERM IS ALSO A STATISTICAL TERM? SO I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEANT.

UM, AND YES, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT.

WE CAN PULL OUT, UM, GEORGE SECTOR, SPECIFICALLY THE USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS THERE AND DO A COMPARISON COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE CITY TO SEE IF THERE ARE DIFFERENCES, UM, BY PERSONS WHO ARE INTOXICATED.

FOR EXAMPLE, PEOPLE HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT TO SEE IF THE SITUATION AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE BEING, UM, THAT ARE, THAT ARE HAVING FORCE USED AGAINST THEM, BUT ALSO THE SITUATIONS THAT OFFICERS FIND THEMSELVES IN DURING THAT TIME.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAKE A DEEPER DIVE AND LOOK AT.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL MENTION IS THAT WHEN WE DID THE DISPARITY RATIOS, SO WHEN I SHOW THAT DISPARITY RATIOS, I SHOWED IT TO YOU FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE, BUT WE ALSO LOOKED AT IT BY SECTOR AND THAT'S IN YOUR LARGER PACKET.

AND IT ALSO IS IN THE REPORT.

AND WHAT WE FIND IS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AND WHEN WE, UH, THERE ARE, THERE ARE RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES USING THE RESIDENTIAL POPULATION AS A BENCHMARK ACROSS THE BOARD.

BUT FOR THE REASONS THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT, UM, THINKING THROUGH, AND REALLY LOOKING AT THE CRIMINAL SUSPECTS DATA AS THE, AS A BENCHMARK, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE APPROXIMATE TO YOUR RISK OF FORCE.

UH, WHEN WE DO THAT, THE RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES BASICALLY ARE WASHED OUT ACROSS THE CITY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GEORGE SECTOR.

SO AGAIN, YOU SEE, IT'S NOT JUST THE VOLUME OF USE OF FORCE AND THE VOLUME OF ARREST, BUT ALSO WHERE WE DO SEE RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES, THAT'S OCCURRING THERE AS

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WELL.

SO I DO THINK IT'S WORTH THE TIME TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO THE, THE DATA THAT WE HAVE.

WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT FOR YOU, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS HISTORICAL DATA.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO, AND YOU HAVE REALLY TALENTED CRIME ANALYSTS, UM, AT, UH, APD THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK MOVING FORWARD AND, AND TRY TO DETERMINE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN GEORGE SECTOR AND WHETHER OR NOT THOSE TRENDS AND PATTERNS LOOK DIFFERENT NOW.

YEAH, THAT'S GREAT.

AND THAT'S VERY TOUGH.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND THAT'S REALLY TIMELY BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EMBED INTO OUR NEXT SITE FOR SIXTH STREET, UM, RESOLUTION, WHICH IS COMING FORWARD IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, UH, TO, TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S AN INTENTIONAL PART OF WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.

I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER KITCHEN, YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, UH, THAT MADE ME THINK ABOUT THE SOBERING CENTER.

AND SO TOO, I THINK THIS INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE HELPFUL TO, TO OUR THINKING ABOUT HOW, HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO USE THAT PARTICULAR, UM, DIVERSION PROGRAM TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE DISPARITIES, ESPECIALLY IN THE, IN THE GEORGE SECTOR.

UM, AND THEN THAT MAY ALSO INFORM, HELP INFORM OUR CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION CENTER.

SO I THINK WE'LL ALL NEED ALL NEED MORE TIME TALKING TO ONE ANOTHER, UH, FOR ME, I NEED TO MAKE BETTER SENSE OF THE DATA AND THE, AND THE LEARNINGS FROM IT.

UM, BUT I'M INTERESTED IN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.

SO 5,890 APPLICANTS DISQUALIFIED.

AND I'D LOVE TO LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR SOBERING CENTER.

WE ARE PART OF A NATIONAL TEAM THAT'S EXAMINING SO SOBERING CENTERS, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE WORKING IN HOUSTON, OKLAHOMA CITY, UH, TULSA IN WICHITA.

UM, AND WE'VE ALSO DONE A NATIONAL SURVEY OF SOBERING CENTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 40 OR SO.

UM, SURPRISINGLY WE THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE MORE, UM, BUT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION WE'RE GATHERING AND WE, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOUR CITY INVOLVED IN THAT WORK AS WELL, SO THAT WE CAN SHARE BEST PRACTICES ACROSS THESE, UH, ACROSS THESE AGENCIES AND COMMUNITIES.

WONDERFUL.

WELL, WE HAVE A TERRIFIC SOBERING CENTER HERE WITH A GREAT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, SO I'M SURE ACM ARIANO OR I SERVE ON THE BOARD.

UM, ANY OF US WOULD BE, WOULD BE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION, I THINK WOULD REALLY BENEFIT FROM THAT BEING PART OF, UM, THAT INFORMATION, I GUESS THAT'S IT FOR NOW? WELL, ONE, ONE QUESTION.

DOES THE REPORT DETAIL ON PAGE 48 ON SLIDE 48 RATHER THERE'S, UH, SOME DATA ABOUT CADETS WHO HAVE BEEN DISQUALIFIED AND THEN IN THE CONFERENCE AND THE PRESENTATION ITSELF, I THINK YOU DISTINGUISH, YOU SAID DISQUALIFIED OR DROPPED OUT.

UM, DOES THE REPORT DRAW A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO GROUPS? YEAH, I MAY HAVE, UH, MAY HAVE MISSPOKE TO, I THINK THE WAY WE PRESENTED IN THE REPORT IS THAT THOSE ARE APPLICANTS WHO WERE DISQUALIFIED AT SOME POINT.

I THINK I ADDED, THEY HAVE DROPPED OUT.

UM, I'M NOT SURE.

I THINK IT'S DISQUALIFIED AND OF THE 711 WHO ULTIMATELY MADE IT INTO THE ACADEMY.

KATHY, THANK YOU.

AND I PUT MY SHOULDER TO THE SAME, UH, WORK ON THE, UH, GEORGE SECTOR.

UH, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, I'M SURPRISED THAT IT'S ONLY 5.9% OF THE VIOLENT CRIME.

UM, SO, BUT, BUT TAKING A LOOK AT THAT, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE REAL IMPORTANT.

I MEAN, IF THIS WAS EQUAL ACROSS THE BOARD, THERE ARE NINE SECTORS.

YOU'D HAVE 11%, UH, ACROSS THE BOARD, IF IT WAS JUST AN EQUAL AMOUNT, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT THE CASE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE POPULATION LIVING IN THE GEORGE SECTOR IS EVIDENCE THAT IT'S DOWN 1.3, UH, UM, WHICH MEANS MAYBE THAT THERE'S LESS OF THE DOMESTIC VIOLENT CRIME PERHAPS, UH, THAT, THAT MAY TAKE PLACE A LOT IN RESIDENCES IF YOU CONTROLLED FOR THAT AND TOOK THAT OUT OF, BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHETHER WE GET A LOT MORE VIOLENT CRIME DOWN IN THAT, UH, AREA.

UH, SO I LIKED THE IDEA OF, OF DOING A DEEPER DIVE, UH, IN THAT SECTOR.

UH, IF A CHIEF THINKS THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

I THINK THAT SOME OF THE OFFICERS I'VE TALKED TO HAVE INDICATED, THEY THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A HELPFUL THING TO DO, UH, TO REALLY BUILD UPON THE KIND OF WORK THAT THE COUNCIL IS DOING IN THAT SIXTH STREET, UH, AREA, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MENTIONED, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE NON NORMAL, TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONSES TO CRIME? UH, WHAT ARE THE NON-NORMAL ONES LIKE STAGGERING HOURS AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, BUT, UH, SOBERING CENTER, THE MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION CENTER, WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE CAN BE DOING THAT MIGHT HELP IN THAT AREA THAT ARE NOT, ARE NOT THOSE THINGS.

AND I THINK THAT MIGHT LEAD US TO, TO, TO MORE OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT ALSO WE COULD DO TO HELP IN THAT AREA.

AGAIN, WITH EVERYBODY

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ELSE.

I WANT TO HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK THROUGH THE REPORT AND LEARN MORE.

THERE WAS ONE QUESTION THAT YOU WENT OVER THAT I JUST DIDN'T SEE THERE WAS IN THE REPORT.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS IN THE LARGER REPORT.

UH, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO USE THE HISTORIC, UH, TRAFFIC, UH, UH, DATA, UH, EXCEPT FOR ONE YEAR.

AND THEN ONLY IN THE LIMITED WAY, WHAT WAS THE ISSUE WITH THE THREE PRIOR YEARS? AND YOU SAID IN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS GOING FORWARD, UH, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S MOST USEFUL TO US, WAS THAT JUST A DATA COLLECTION? UH, QUESTION.

WELL, LIKE YOU TAKE A LOOK, I'M TRYING TO FIND AGAIN, THE NUMBER FOR THE SLIDE NUMBER, SOME OF THE ISSUES, UM, WERE, WERE LAID OUT IN THAT SLIDE.

THERE CERTAINLY THEY'RE DETAILED VERY SPECIFICALLY IN THE REPORT ITSELF.

UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS THIS, UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T COLLECT STOP DATA, LIKE MANY POLICE AGENCIES DO.

AND THAT IS WHEN A STOP OCCURS, A STOP FORM IS FILLED OUT AND THAT INFORMATION GOES INTO A DATABASE.

UM, INSTEAD WHAT HAPPENS IS DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF THE STOP.

SO IF A WARNING IS ISSUED, IT GOES INTO A WARNING DATABASE.

IF ITS CITATION IS ISSUED, IT GOES INTO A CITATION DATABASE.

AND IF AN ARREST IS MADE, IT GOES INTO AN ARREST DATABASE AND THEN THESE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DATABASES ARE THEN COMPILED BACK TOGETHER TO INDICATE WHETHER OR NOT A STOP OCCURRED.

AND SO NOT TO GET TOO TECHNICAL HERE, BUT ESSENTIALLY IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE OUTCOMES, YOU GET DOUBLE COUNTED AS A STOP.

UM, AND SO IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT STOPS, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL STOP DATABASE THAT'S READILY AVAILABLE AND CAN BE USED.

UM, AND THIS IS ESPECIALLY PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE, UM, BLACKS AND HISPANICS ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE MULTIPLE THINGS HAPPEN DURING A TRAFFIC STOP.

AND SO THEY WOULD BE MULTIPLE COUNTED AS A STOP ITSELF.

AND THAT'S WHY THE DATA IS PARTICULARLY PROBLEMATIC IN 2020.

THE, THE MISTAKE, IF YOU WILL, IN TERMS OF THIS, UH, THE COUNT OF TRAFFIC STOPS WAS IDENTIFIED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY WENT THROUGH AND WENT BACK THROUGH ALL OF 2020 DATA AND DID MANUAL RECODING AND CLEANING OF THAT DATA SO THAT IT REPRESENTS A DATA SET THAT IT'S AT LEAST MORE MANAGEABLE AND BETTER REPRESENTS VEHICLE STOPS.

THAT'S WHY WE FELT COMFORTABLE ENOUGH USING IT AT LEAST FOR SOME BASIC INFORMATION.

THE FINAL THING I'LL NOTE IS THERE ARE SO MANY LIMITATIONS ABOUT WHAT'S ACTUALLY COLLECTED.

IT DOES NOT REPRESENT BEST PRACTICE IN TERMS OF WHAT OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS ARE COLLECTING REGARDING VEHICLE STOPS.

AND SO THIS IS A WAY FOR THE AGENCY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BEST PRACTICE.

IT WON'T BE EASY DATA COLLECTION AND CHANGING OF DATA IS NEVER EASY, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE REALLY SKILLED ANALYSTS THAT ARE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN WITH THE DATA THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE.

AND I THINK OVER TIME THAT WILL BE CHANGING ONE OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO GO TO A P UH, A STOP DATA.

WELL, EITHER EITHER THAT, OR YOU HAVE TO FIND A MORE, UH, AN EASIER WAY TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO PULL THESE DATABASES TOGETHER THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE MANUAL RECODING AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO, SO WE DO HAVE A SERIES OF VERY SPECIFIC, I MEAN, LITERALLY TO WHICH VARIABLES SHOULD BE INCLUDED.

UM, WE HAVE, UM, IN ONE OF THE APPENDICES, UH, UM, SOME EXAMPLES OF THE TYPE OF DATA THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN TRAFFIC STOP DATA AND WHY WE SHOULD BE INCLUDING THIS TYPE OF INFORMATION, HOW IT CAN THEN BE USED BY YOUR ANALYSTS AND YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SOME PROPRIETARY SYSTEMS THAT ARE STRONGER AND BETTER THAN OTHERS.

I THINK WE HAVE THESE EXPERTS FOR LIKE FOR ANOTHER 15 OR 20 MINUTES COUNTS OVER ELLIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

I DO REALLY APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION.

IT IS A LOT TO DIGEST.

UM, IN ONE OF THE SLIDES, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, MAYBE NUMBER 39.

IT TALKS ABOUT PEOPLE BEING DISQUALIFIED FOR VARIOUS REASONS.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE BEING DISQUALIFIED BY FAILING A POLYGRAPH TEST OR HAVING SOME MEDICAL OR PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATION ISSUES, UM, MIGHT BE IMPORTANT TO, TO FILTER OUT AS YOU'RE TRYING TO TRAIN UP NEW CADETS, BUT I SAW ONE ABOUT DEBT OR CREDIT HISTORY.

AND I WONDERED IF I COULD HAVE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHY CERTAIN, UM, CERTAIN CADETS OR TRAINEES MIGHT BE DISQUALIFIED BASED ON ESSENTIALLY LACK OF GENERATIONAL WEALTH IN A HOUSEHOLD.

I'LL TAKE THE FIRST STAB AT THAT ONE, UH, IN THE BACKGROUND PROCESS, LOT OF TIMES POLICE DEPARTMENTS ARE LOOKING, UH, UH, UH, ESPECIALLY IF, IF THE CREDIT'S BAD AND IT HASN'T BEEN, IT WAS A LOT OF COLLECTIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AS A SORT OF A BENCHMARK FOR, UH, UM,

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NOT BEING RESPONSIBLE.

UM, WE HAD THAT SITUATION IN MY DEPARTMENT AND WE, WE, WE GAVE APPLICANTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAN SOME OF THAT UP.

WASN'T HUMONGOUS.

SO SAY THAT, UM, AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN A BARRIER HERE.

UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT APD, UH, I THINK RECENTLY IS THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT NOW TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, ANY WIGGLE ROOM TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY, AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, CLEAN UP SOME OF THEIR CREDIT, UM, UM, ALONG THE WAY.

SO THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT I'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN AN IMPEDIMENT.

AND SO A LOT OF HIRES, ESPECIALLY DIVERSE HIRE, ESPECIALLY COMING FROM, LIKE YOU SAID, A DISADVANTAGE ECONOMICALLY.

UH, SO DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THOSE CANDIDATES TO GET THEM, UH, SO THEY COULD, SO THEY COULD PASS THE BACKGROUND PROCESS.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT APD IS AWARE OF.

AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING TO DO LOOKING AT.

THAT'S GREAT, AND I CAN FOLLOW UP OFFLINE ABOUT THAT.

CAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT PIQUED MY CURIOSITY AND I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND BETTER.

UM, IF, IF DECIDING TO SIGN UP AND SERVE YOUR LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOULD, SHOULD BE THE STEPPING STONE BY WHICH PEOPLE CAN GAIN ACCESS TO CITY EMPLOYMENT AND GET ON A TRACK FOR RETIREMENT, UM, BY SERVING THEIR COMMUNITY WELL.

SO I WOULD HATE TO SEE PEOPLE UNNECESSARILY EXCLUDED FROM THAT OPPORTUNITY SIMPLY BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS DON'T HAVE SOME OF THE GENERATIONAL WEALTH THAT OTHER, THAT OTHER FAMILIES HAVE.

UM, I'M ALSO VERY INTERESTED IN THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE GEORGE SECTOR THAT A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE PRESENTED GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT AND ASKED REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS.

UM, SO I, I DO SUPPORT THAT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I KNOW, UM, ANECDOTALLY THERE'S DISCUSSIONS ABOUT OVER-POLICING IN SOME AREAS AND UNDER POLICING AND OTHERS.

I KNOW THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE HERE, TRYING TO ANALYZE THIS INFORMATION AND UNDERSTAND IT BETTER TO PREVENT.

UM, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S, ESPECIALLY IN DISTRICT DAY, A LOT OF THE VEHICLE BURGLARY AND THEFT PROBLEMS HAPPENING IN MANY NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTHWEST AUSTIN.

AND IT REMINDS ME OF THE REPORT THAT APD PRODUCED IN 2018, WHERE A VEHICLE WAS EXPONENTIALLY MORE LIKELY, UM, TO BE INVOLVED IN A GUN THEFT.

SO IF A GUN WAS GOING TO BE STOLEN, IT WAS MUCH MORE LIKELY TO BE STOLEN OUT OF YOUR CAR THAN OUT OF YOUR HOME.

AND SO I'M THINKING OF THAT WHEN I LOOK AT CRIME AND GENERAL SITUATIONS AROUND TOWN THAT ARE NOT SAFE, AND I WOULD HATE FOR US NOT BEING ABLE TO CHECK IN ON VEHICLE BURGLARIES AND BREAK-INS QUICKLY ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO PREVENT THOSE GUNS FALLING INTO THE HANDS OF FOLKS WHO, WHO SHOULDN'T HAVE THEM, OR MAY NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO DAYLIGHT THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A QUESTION, BUT WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE I WAS THINKING WITH THAT.

UM, I ALSO AGREE WITH SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE DISCUSSED ABOUT STAGGERED CLOSING OF SOME OF THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, JUST SO PEOPLE HAVE TIME TO FILTER OUT OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA IN A SAFER WAY AND APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER TOGO'S WORK ON THE SAFER SIXTH STREET INITIATIVE AND THE, AND THE LIGHTING THAT SHE'S BEEN WORKING ON WITH THE ENERGY UTILITY.

I THINK THAT'S A CREATIVE APPROACH AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT ADVANCE.

AND THEN DOES THIS REPORT, UM, ON THE SUGGESTIONS OF MAKING THE SYSTEM DATABASE BETTER AND MORE SEARCHABLE FOR THE FUTURE, HAS THAT WORK ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED OR STARTED, OR IS THERE A SUGGESTION THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE DATABASES AND, AND LOOK AT A NEW PROCESS MOVING FORWARD TO MAKE THEM TALK TO EACH OTHER BETTER OR TO STREAMLINE THEM INTO ONE DATABASE? WELL, FOR THAT QUESTION REGARDING THE DATABASE, I KNOW THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE IN PROCESS.

I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP TO THE COUNCIL.

UH, I, I BELIEVE BEFORE, UM, REGARDING THE ISSUES WITH THE, WITH THE STOP DATA, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS NO SECRET, UM, TO THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UM, AND THEY ARE, THEY ARE WORKING ON, ON SOLUTIONS.

UM, BUT AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, IN DATA DATA COLLECTION AND THE SYSTEMS THAT ARE INVOLVED AND THE ACTUAL DATA COLLECTION PROCESS IS COMPLICATED, UM, AND IT, AND IT MIGHT TAKE SOME TIME TO GET IT RIGHT.

UH, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, AS I MENTIONED, YOU DO HAVE REALLY SHARP, VERY GOOD ANALYSTS THAT CAN HELP ALONG THE WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AGENCY'S GETTING PROVIDED WITH THE INFORMATION THEY NEED SO THAT THEY CAN BE DATA-DRIVEN AND EVIDENCE-BASED MOVING FORWARD.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND BY ANY CHANCE, DO YOU KNOW IF SOME OF THESE SYSTEMS ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS MIGHT USE FOR THINGS LIKE EVENTS OR GENERAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT PERMITS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, OR ARE THEY COMPLETELY SEPARATE AND DEVELOPED BY, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY ENTITIES, THAT TECHNOLOGY, UM, WELL, THERE'S A WHOLE MARKET FOR ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS, UM, CALLS FOR SERVICE DATA, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

IT IS QUITE A LARGE MARKET.

UM, THERE ARE

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UM, BUT THERE ARE ALSO LOTS OF FOLKS THAT ARE WORKING ON SOLUTIONS SO THAT THESE DATABASES TALK TO EACH OTHER.

THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT FOR, FOR DECADES POLICE AGENCIES AND POLICE OFFICERS HAVE BEEN COLLECTING INFORMATION, BUT NEVER NO ONE REALLY EVER LOOKED AT IT OR TRIED TO COMPILE IT AND SYSTEMATIC WAYS TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND PINPOINT AND BE EVIDENCE-BASED.

AND NOW THAT WE SEE THAT THAT'S THE MOVEMENT, PARTICULARLY IN THE LAST DECADE, IT'S BEEN, BEEN RECOGNIZED THAT WHILE THESE SYSTEMS REALLY ARE NOT DESIGNED TO BE HELPFUL IN THAT WAY.

AND SO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS HERE OF REALLY UPDATING ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE WHITE HOUSE AS A CRITICAL ISSUE WITH DATA COLLECTION FOR POLICE DEPARTMENTS.

SO YOUR AGENCY IS NOT UNIQUE IN THAT REGARD.

UM, WE'RE ALL STRUGGLING DIFFERENT WAYS.

UH, HAVING SAID THAT THE, THE ACTUAL COLLECTION OF THE TRAFFIC STOP THE VEHICLE STOP DATA IN PARTICULAR IS A GLARING ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED ALONG WITH SYSTEMS. IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THE BEST SYSTEM IN THE WORLD, BUT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GET THE ACTUAL DATA AND HAVE IT GO IN AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOOD DATA, RIGHT.

THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE ACTUALLY FILLING OUT ACCURATE INFORMATION AND GATHERING.

LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE COUNSELORS HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IS THIS DATA FROM OFFICER INITIATED STOPS VEHICLES, OR IS THIS A CITIZEN CALLING NINE 11, UH, THAT'S CAUSING THE OFFICER TO MAKE THE STOP.

SO, UM, FIGURING OUT WHAT DATA SHOULD GO IN IS ALSO PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.

AND IT JUST MADE ME THINK ABOUT MAYBE THE SYSTEMS WERE DEVELOPED IN WAYS THAT WERE ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE BEING STOPPED BY POLICE AND MAKING SURE THERE WERE, UH, YOU KNOW, A RECORD OF DIFFERENT INTERACTIONS AND WHAT HAPPENED DURING THOSE INTERACTIONS, BUT MAY NOT NECESSARILY HAVE BEEN USED TO LOOK AT HOW THE DEPARTMENT IS RESPONDING TO CERTAIN SITUATIONS.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO US FIGURING OUT HOW TO, HOW TO MAKE THEM DO BOTH SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THESE CALLS ARE BEING HANDLED IN WAYS THAT IS TRANSPARENT AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

SO THANK YOU.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HOPPER MEDICINE.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS PRESENTATION.

UM, I GUESS TO ECHO MY COLLEAGUES SENTIMENT, THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION, UM, FRANKLY, I'M JUST, I'M BLOWN AWAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS ALL STARTED IN 2019 AND HERE WE ARE, THE COMBINATION OF ALL THAT HARD WORK, UM, BY EVERYBODY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, MOST ESPECIALLY, I'D LIKE TO REALLY JUST THINK MY, MY STAFF FOR DOING SO MUCH HARD WORK ON THE FRONT END.

UM, FRONT-LOADING THIS THING, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS, BUT THAT I SUSPECT I'M GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE MORE.

UM, IF WE GO OVER TO SLIDE 25, I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION, STOP AND FRISK AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE EXPERTS OR CHIEF CHUCK ON, IF IT'S FOR CHIEF CHUCK, I'D PREFER TO JUST RESERVE IT, UM, AND ASK THE EXPERTS WHILE WE HAVE THEM FOR THE NEXT, I GUESS, 10 OR SO MINUTES.

CAN SOMEBODY CLARIFY WHO HAD ANSWERED THAT QUESTION FOR ME? CORRECT.

I'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? MY, MY, WELL, I SUPPOSE MY QUESTION IS I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT AUSTIN WAS CUSTOMARILY, UH, UH, AND FRISK CITY.

UM, SO I GUESS IT JUST LIKE SOME CLARITY THERE, AND THEN BECAUSE OF THE SPECIFIC ISSUES AS IT PERTAINS TO THAT STOP AND FRISK, WHICH AS, LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE DID THAT.

UM, I JUST LIKE A LITTLE MORE, UM, A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROBLEMATIC COMPONENTS THAT YOU ALL FOUND WITH THAT, THE STOP AND FRISK WITHOUT REASONABLE SUSPICION PARTNER.

FOR CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING.

WHEN YOU DETAIN SOMEONE TO SEARCH FOR WEAPONS, THERE NEEDS TO BE REASONABLE SUSPICION THAT CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES HAPPENING OR ARE ABOUT TO HAPPEN.

AND THAT NEEDS TO BE ARTICULATED BY THE OFFICER IN THEIR REPORT.

UM, WE ACTUALLY SAW, UH, UH, REPORTS WHERE THE OFFICER, UH, DID A DETENTION FOR OFFICER SAFETY, OFFICER SAFETY ON ITSELF WITHOUT ANY OTHER, UH, ARTICULABLE COSTS THAT CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES OF FOOT DOESN'T MEET THE CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENTS.

SO WHAT ENDS UP, WHAT HAPPENS TO SOME OF THE BODY CAMERA VIDEO WE REVIEWED THE OFFICER WOULD SAY, HEY, I'M HERE.

I GOT A CALL HERE TO CHECK ON YOU OR WHATEVER.

AND, UM, UH, YOU'RE NOT IN TROUBLE.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT BEING ARRESTED OR CHARGED OR ANYTHING, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, PUT THE HANDS ON THE SUBJECT WHO WAS THE HANDS BEHIND HER BACK AND BEGINS THE HANDCUFF.

AND THEN THE NEXT THING IS THE PERSON'S LIKE, MAN, YOU JUST SAID, I'M NOT BEING ARRESTED AND CHARGED.

I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.

WHAT WHAT'S WITH THE HANDCUFFS AND THE GOT TO CHECK YOU FOR WEAPONS AND THE SUBJECT MAY POOL PULL THEIR ARM.

IT MIGHT BE A REFLEX OR THEY MAY BRACE.

THE NEXT STEP IS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY EITHER GET CHARGED WITH RESISTING.

IN SOME CASES THEY'RE ACTUALLY TAKEN TO THE GRANT, THEY'RE ACTUALLY TAKEN TO THE GROUND AND HANDCUFFED

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AND CHARGED, BUT THERE WAS NO CRIME THAT LED TO THAT ENCOUNTER TO BEGIN WITH.

IT WAS A CALL.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHEN YOU'RE NOT A WITNESS TO ANYTHING, YOU GOT TO DO A LITTLE DUE DILIGENCE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND YOU.

AND IT JUST SEEMED LIKE WITHIN MINUTES OF A RESPONSE, AN OFFICER IS PHYSICALLY DETAINING.

UH, IN, IN SOME OF THESE CASES, NOT AN ODD WAS A LOT OF GOOD POLICE WORK OUT THERE, BUT IN SOME OF THESE, IT WAS A QUICK, YOU KNOW, CALL THE ARRIVED AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON'S GOING IN HANDCUFFS ON THE GROUND AND HE'D BE CHECKING AWAY FROM RESISTANCE.

SO MY THING IS WITH THIS, THIS IS WHERE SUPERVISION IS KEY.

AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THOSE, THOSE SUPERVISORS, THOSE FIRST-LINE SUPERVISORS THAT ARE EITHER WORKING OUT THERE IS I'M THINKING OF A CASE RIGHT NOW, WHERE IT WAS AN INAPPROPRIATE LEVEL OF FORCE.

THE SUPERVISOR WAS THERE AND OBSERVED IT.

AND DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT THEY TOOK ANY ACTION TO DEAL WITH THAT IN THE DOCUMENTS I WAS PROVIDED WITH.

UM, SO, SO IF THE SUPERVISOR WAS TO TAKE ACTION IN A SITUATION WHERE THEN THE REASONABLE SUSPICION WASN'T THERE, WHETHER THROUGH TRAINING OR MENTORING, AND IN SOME CASE, IT MAY REQUIRE SOME TYPE OF FORMAL DISCIPLINARY ACTION.

IF THAT IS HAPPENING AT THAT FRONT LINE, THEN THERE'LL BE MORE ACCOUNTABILITY.

AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE LESS AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR.

UM, BUT IT'S ALSO KEY.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO CAUSE THOSE SEWING SUPERVISORS, A LOT OF THEM COMING OUT TO THE SCENE OF THESE USE OF FORCE EVENTS, AND THEY'RE THE ONES TAKING THE INFORMATION THAT THEY PREAPPROVED FOR THE ARREST, AND THERE WASN'T REASONABLE SUSPICION.

THEN YOU GOT SOMEONE GOING INTO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

YOU GET, YOU GET, IT COULD BE A CHALLENGE.

UH, IN THE MEANTIME, WHATEVER REPORTS THEY DO GO THROUGH UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND GET REVIEWED BY OTHERS.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THOSE, THOSE FRONTLINE SUPERVISORS THAT ARE DOING THESE REPORTS AND MAKING THESE INQUIRIES TO GIVE THE CHAIN OF COMMAND OF A REPORT THAT IS BETTER FOR THEM TO REVIEW AND THEY CAN, AND THEY CAN HANG THEIR HAT ON.

UH, SO BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT, THE CLOSEST PERSON TO THAT USE OF FORCE IS THAT FRONTLINE SEAT, THAT'S THE ABSOLUTE CLOSEST TO IT.

AND WHO'S GOING TO, THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PEOPLE UNDER THEIR COMMAND WHEN THEIR SHIFT, UH, AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT, THAT KNOW THEIR PEOPLE.

UH, THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING WHEN THEY GET, THEY GET THE INFORMATION FROM THE OFFICER.

SO YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE AND COMPARE IT TO WHAT THE OFFICER TOLD THEM.

I MEAN, SOME OF THIS STUFF WAS, I MEAN, IT DIDN'T TAKE ME LIKE OUR TEAM.

DIDN'T TAKE LIKE ONE CASE AND LOOK AT IT FOR DAYS.

WE LOOKED AT THESE CASES SOMETIMES 15, 20 MINUTES, HALF AN HOUR, WE WERE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED.

SO ANYWAY, IT JUST WANTED TO KINDA GIVE YOU A MORE, I APPRECIATE THAT MR. BRANDON, I'LL BE REAL SPECIFIC.

LIKE I'M READING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE INFORMATION IN Y'ALL'S REPORT WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, OFFICER SAFETY, UM, I, YOU KNOW, AGGRESSIVELY IN AUSTIN AND THE INCIDENTS REVIEWED MOST OFFICERS OFFICIALLY JUSTIFY STOPPING FIRST BY CLAIMING MY OFFICER'S SAFETY WITHOUT ARTICULATING REASONABLE SUSPICION, THAT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY WAS A FOOT, UM, MOVING FORWARD.

I'D LIKE VERY MUCH FOR ONE OF THE THINGS FOR US TO DO IS HAVE SORT OF A UNIFORM EXPECTATION.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF PROTOCOL, I THINK THE GENERAL PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW WHAT DOES OFFICER SAFETY MEAN? EXACTLY.

OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THAT IS SELF-EXPLANATORY, BUT I THINK SOME OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, I, I READ LATER ON IN THE REPORT WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE USE OF DISCRETION, I THINK, YOU KNOW, OFFICER'S SAFETY AND THE USE OF DISCRETION WITHIN THAT.

I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A PART OF WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THIS BECOMING SO CONVOLUTED AND FRANKLY PROBLEMATIC.

I APPRECIATE THAT Y'ALL RECOGNIZE THE PROBLEMATIC COMPONENT, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE REALLY FRIGHTENING, UH, STOPS THE 11 YEAR OLD FEMALE, A 70 YEAR OLD FEMALE SUFFERING FROM DEMENTIA, A 67 YEAR OLD.

THOSE THINGS FRIGHTEN ME.

UM, IF, IF, IF A UNIFORMED OFFICER IS AFRAID FOR THEIR SAFETY BECAUSE OF AN 11 YEAR OLD FEMALE, THEN I'D LIKE VERY MUCH TO, TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THAT AND THOSE LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT I MOVED ON AND LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS NOBODY'S GOING TO ANSWER TODAY.

AND IN FACT, I REALLY HAVEN'T DUG THROUGH.

I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE THINGS THAT ARE CATCHING MY ATTENTION ON SLIDE 12, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT HOW PEOPLE EXPERIENCING IMPAIRMENT ARE.

UM, IT TALKS ABOUT THERE'S A DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF BLACK FOLKS WHO ARE STOPPED, UM, WHO ARE NOT FRANKLY EXPERIENCING IMPAIRMENT.

AND THERE ARE WHITE FOLKS WHO ARE EXPERIENCING IMPAIRMENT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THIS SLIDE? OKAY.

SURE.

AND I TH I BELIEVE IT'S SLIDE 11 MARKETS YOU'RE CONTROLLING, UM, HERE.

SO SLIDE 11 LOOKS AT INDIVIDUALS IMPAIRMENT, AND IT DOES MAKE A COMPARISON BY RACE AND ETHNICITY.

AND SO WHAT WE KNOW ACTUALLY, SORRY.

UM, SLIDE 11, MARK.

I JUST TOLD THE RECORD.

I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE CONTROL.

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YOU'RE NOT DOING IT FOR ME.

UM, OKAY.

UM, SO THERE, YES, THAT ONE.

UM, SO, SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE, UM, IS THE SLIDE ON THE LEFT, UH, SHOWS OVERALL IMPAIRMENT, UM, USE OF FORCE FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE FORCE USED AGAINST THEM.

AND WE KNOW THAT ABOUT 23% OF INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE FORCED USE AGAINST THEM HAVE NO IMPAIRMENT AT ALL, THAT'S LISTED BY THE OFFICER.

BUT WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BY RACE, WHAT WE SEE IS THAT 30% OF BLACK INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE FOUR SHOES AGAINST THEM HAVE NO IMPAIRMENT LISTED BY THE POLICE OFFICER COMPARED TO 14% OF WHITE INDIVIDUALS, WHERE THERE WAS NO IMPAIRMENT THAT WAS NOTED AS PART OF THE USE OF FORCE.

UM, AND SO, UM, I, AGAIN, SORT OF GRAPHICALLY HERE, THE GRAPH ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHERE THE, WHERE WHITE INDIVIDUALS ARE IN THE BLACK BAR THERE, YOU'LL SEE, UM, TOWARDS A 4% ALCOHOL AND DRUGS AND PERCENT, UM, MENTALLY UNSTABLE.

UM, THAT'S THE TERM ACTUALLY USED ON THE DATA COLLECTION INSTRUMENT, I BELIEVE, UM, YOU SEE 65% AND 47% OF WHITE INDIVIDUALS COMPARED TO LESS, UH, FOR BLACK AND HISPANICS AND FURTHER, UM, TO THAT POINT SHOULD NOTE THAT REPEAT INDIVIDUALS, INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE HAD FORCE USED AGAINST THEM MORE THAN ONCE DURING THAT FOUR YEAR PERIOD ARE ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY MORE LIKELY TO BE BLACK INDIVIDUALS COMPARED TO WHITE OR HISPANIC.

UH, I MEAN, NONE OF THIS SURPRISES ME, I REALLY LOOKED FORWARD TO HAVING A DEEPER CONVERSATION ABOUT DATA COLLECTION.

UM, I HAVE SOME, SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, SO WE'VE HAD OTHER REPORTS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, UM, ANOTHER PROFESSIONAL COME IN AND DO A REPORT.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD INTERNAL REPORTS.

I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE CONSISTENCY OF THE DATA THAT'S BEING COLLECTED.

UM, I'LL MOVE ON THOUGH.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, I AGGREGATE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLIS.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE POINT ABOUT THE DQ CODES.

THAT'S SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP EARLY ON, YOU KNOW, UH, WHEN WE WERE ORIGINALLY HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, I HEARD THAT HERE, IF YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN TYPES OF BLACK HAIR WHERE THAT WAS A DQ CODE, YOU COULDN'T HAVE LOCKS.

IF YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, CREDIT PROBLEMS, WE HAD DEBT.

AND SO I, I REALLY DO WANT TO DIG INTO SOME OF THOSE DQ CODES AND SEE WHAT IT WAS, WHERE WE ARE NOW, WHERE WE TEND TO GO IN THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF 5,800 PEOPLE BEING DISQUALIFIED.

I'M REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT, UM, THE NUMBERS THERE, YOU KNOW, IT COMPARATIVELY, YOU KNOW, 6,000 PEOPLE APPLY FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NOW 5,800 WHO DON'T GET IN, BUT IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE DISQUALIFIED IT'S BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SCORE HIGH ENOUGH.

IN WHICH CASE I'M VERY CURIOUS ABOUT, ABOUT WHY THOSE NUMBERS ARE SO HIGH.

I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, RESISTANCE RESISTANT SHOWN.

I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, AND THEN I'D LIKE TO SORT OF JUST FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN IN A WAY THAT'S PRODUCTIVE.

TALK ABOUT THIS MOVING FORWARD.

SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, MY BROTHER, FOR EXAMPLE, HIS VOICE IS LAB AND IT'S DEEP AND IT'S GRUFF.

AND I DON'T CARE IF HE'S TALKING TO A BABY OR AN OLD PERSON OR A POLICE OFFICER, HE GETS BEAT UP AND ARRESTED WITH SOME DEGREE OF REGULARITY BECAUSE OF HOW HE STAMPED BECAUSE OF HOW HE PRESENTS.

AND I KNOW HE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE.

SO FROM A CULTURAL PERSPECTIVE, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF ANY OF THAT WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RESISTANCE SHRUNK, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE STUDIED IN OTHER CITIES.

UM, WE'RE UNABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT HERE.

WHAT WE HAVE IS A MEASURE PRODUCED BY THE OFFICER OF WHETHER OR NOT RESISTANCE WAS SHOWN AS A PART OF THE USE OF FORCE.

WE DON'T HAVE RESISTANCE SHOWN FOR AN ARREST ONLY IF FORCE WAS USED.

UM, SO WE, YOU CAN'T EVEN LOOK ACROSS TO SEE OF ALL THESE ARRESTS ARE, IS FORCED, YOU KNOW, ONLY USED FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN RESISTANCE IS SHOWN, WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE ONLY KNOW WHEN FORCES USED, WHAT IS THE LEVEL OF RESISTANCE AND EVEN THE LEVEL OF RESISTANCE.

THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DISCREPANCY IN OUR CODING COMPARED TO WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, UM, WITH THE POLICY, UH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS INTRODUCED.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE FLAGGED AND A FOOTNOTE THERE.

UM, BUT NONETHELESS, IT IS OFFICER'S PERSPECTIVE OF THE RESISTANCE SHOWN DURING A USE OF FORCE INCIDENT.

THAT IS HOW IT IS MEASURED.

ABSOLUTELY FRIGHTENING.

UM, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND JUST, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE BY WAY OF OFFICER'S ABILITY TO USE THEIR DISCRETION, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY TALKING ABOUT IMPLICIT BIAS THERE, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, I, UH, A PERSON CAN PERCEIVE DANGER CAN PERCEIVE THREAT, CAN PERCEIVE RESISTANCE EVEN

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WHEN NOT EXIST.

AND THEN EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS SUBSEQUENT TO THAT CAN REALLY, I MEAN, TO MR. BROWN'S POINT ABOUT INTRODUCING PEOPLE TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND THE DIRECT IMPLICATIONS THEY'RE, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CATASTROPHIC FOR MOST FAMILIES.

AND SO I REALLY, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO AS DIGGING INTO THAT SOME MORE, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE, AND THIS MIGHT BE MY THAT'S, WHY WE DID THE QUALITATIVE DATA ANALYSIS THAT RICK AND HIS TEAM DID SO THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE AND BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THOSE INDIVIDUAL INCIDENTS.

I COULDN'T DO IT ON THE QUANTITATIVE SIDE, NOT POSSIBLE THAT DATA DOESN'T EXIST, BUT LOOKING AT IT IN A CASE BY CASE BASIS CAN BE DONE AND SHOULD BE DONE BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT EVERY TIME THEY REVIEW.

I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

YOU RECOGNIZE THAT.

UM, I AM LOOKING AT LESLIE, DO RESISTANCE SHOWN.

UM, WE TALK ABOUT TRAINING, USE OF FORCE DISQUALIFICATIONS.

OH, UH, LASTLY, UM, THE, THERE WAS A SLIDE I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T JOT DOWN THE NUMBER.

IT'S THIS SLIDE WHERE HE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE DECISION TO, UH, OR IT WAS, IT WAS LIKE DISPROPORTIONATE USE OF FORCE WITH PEOPLE EXPERIENCING MENTAL ILLNESS, SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

WHICH SIDE IS THAT? UM, I'M GOING TO LOOK, THIS IS FOR USE OF FORCE, UM, CORRECT.

PERCEIVED IMPAIRMENT.

UM, UM, NO, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT'S NOT THIS, I THINK IT MIGHT BE THE NEXT SLIDE AND IT'S SLIDE 12.

I'M SORRY.

I TOOK MY POWERPOINT DOWN.

THAT'S OKAY.

SLIDE 12 IS ABOUT REPEAT, USE AS A FORCE.

SO THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS, UM, THAT, UM, THAT HAVE REPEAT, UH, THAT THAT'S SLIDE 11.

YEAH, THERE YOU GO.

SO THIS IS LIKE 12 REPEAT USES OF FORCE.

AND I THINK IT'S NOT DONE BY SINGLE AND MULTIPLE INCIDENTS AND BY INDIVIDUALS IMPAIRMENT, TH THAT'S THAT'S NOT THE ONE I'M LOOKING FOR.

WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR IS THIS SLIDE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT DISPROPORTIONATE INCIDENTS OF INCIDENTS, OF USE OF FORCE.

AND THEN IT TALKS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT LIKE THE PROBLEMATIC ONES, PEOPLE EXPERIENCING MENTAL ILLNESS, PEOPLE WITH SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, IF ANY WAY YOU LAID IT ALL OUT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THERE THAT I FIND, AND THIS ONE THAT WAS THE ONE GO BACK.

OH NO, THAT WAS STOPPING FIRST.

SORRY.

ANYWAY, THE THING THAT I FOUND TROUBLING AND CONCERNING, AND I'D LIKE FOR US TO DIG INTO SOME MORE, UM, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE ACTUALLY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER OFFICERS ABOUT, AND I'D REALLY LIKE TO HEAR THE OPINIONS OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WITH PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCES, LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT FRIENDS WHO REALLY FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A WELL-CHECK, WE SHOULDN'T GO INSIDE.

IF THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE THREAT TO ANYBODY ELSE'S SAFETY, UM, THEN WE SHOULDN'T GO INSIDE.

WE SHOULD LEAVE THAT PERSON BE, CAUSE IT ALWAYS RESULTS IN SOME USE OF FORCE.

IT ALWAYS RESULTS IN SOMEBODY GETTING HURT, EITHER THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSON OR THE PERSON WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, GETTING CHECKED ON.

UM, SO THAT SAID, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANY, IF THERE'S ANY COMPARATIVE DATA FOR OTHER CITIES WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE RISK WHEN CONDUCTING WELL CHECKS.

AND IF NOT, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT TODAY, I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ABOUT THAT LATER.

THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE REALIZING ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS THAT THE, THE CALL FOR SERVICE DATA IS SO PROBLEMATIC THAT OFTENTIMES WHEN A CALL FOR SERVICE COMES IN, WHAT IS NOTED AS BY THE CALL TAKER MAY OR MAY NOT BE WHAT THE OFFICER FINDS HIM OR HERSELF IN ONCE THEY GET THERE.

AND SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE WELLNESS CHECK, IT'S REALLY DEPENDENT ON THE, UM, THE, UM, RELIABILITY OF THAT CALL FOR SERVICE DATA TO INITIALLY EVEN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOWS UP AS A WELLNESS CHECK, FOR EXAMPLE.

UM, BUT HAVING SAID THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK GOING ON RIGHT NOW THINKING ABOUT NINE 11 AND OF COURSE IN YOUR CITY AS WELL, THINKING THROUGH, WHEN DO WE SEND AN OFFICER FOR A WELLNESS CHECK, FOR EXAMPLE, VERSUS SENDING A CLINICIAN OF SOME SORE.

UM, AND ALL OF THAT DATA IS NOW BEING GENERATED ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

DENVER IS LEADING THE WAY, UM, IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESPONSE, UM, AND ARE GENERATING THAT INFORMATION AND TRACKING IT REALLY WELL.

UM, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO PULL TOGETHER SOME RESOURCES FOR YOU TO HAVE, UM, FOR YOUR CITY WOULD BE GREAT.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

AND IF FOR NO OTHER REASON, I THINK THAT BODES ITSELF TO THAT CONVERSATION YOU WERE HAVING EARLIER ABOUT HOW WE NEED SOME UNIFORMITY, LIKE UNILATERALLY ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THIS IS THE PROTOCOL.

AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S HAVING THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT DISPATCH.

IT'S PROBLEMATIC, ALL OF OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES THOUGH.

IT'S NOT JUST POLICE.

SO I THINK A UN A NATIONAL REBOOT RECALIBRATION OF OUR DISPATCH SYSTEMS IS IN ORDER.

UM, I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I SEE THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ALSO HAVE THEIR HANDS RAISED.

AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME.

THANK YOU FOR, UH, FOR THE PRESENTATION TODAY.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, ALL THE INFORMED, UM, PRESENTATION, THE INFORMED RESPONSES.

UM, I DO HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT HOW WE COLLECT THE DATA, BUT I'M NO STATISTICIAN.

SO I THINK I'LL STAY IN MY LANE AND I'LL ASK MY QUESTIONS OFFLINE.

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IT'S FOUR O'CLOCK COLLEAGUES.

DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS ANY QUESTIONS? I SEE, ANNE HAS HER HAND RAISED OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

LET'S CLOSE OUT WITH AN N OH, JUST REAL QUICKLY.

I WANTED TO THANK, UM, UH, JOHN HARPER, MADISON, UH, THAT WAS, UM, WE'RE DRILLING DOWN ON THOSE ISSUES.

UH THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY NECESSARY, UH, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

UM, I WANTED TO JUST LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OUT OF THE MEADOWS REPORT THAT RELATED TO THE MENTAL HEALTH DIVERSION DOES EXTEND TO, UM, IT DOES EXTEND TO FOLLOW UP.

SO IT DOES COVER AND MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS WITH REGARD TO, I DON'T THINK IT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER TO ALL WELL CHECKS, BUT IT DOES EXTEND TO, TO SOME OF THAT.

UM, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE FULLY PUT IN PLACE YET IN AUSTIN.

UH, BUT THERE'S A VERY, UM, IT WAS VERY DETAILED SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND PART OF THE CHALLENGE FOR US HERE IS COORDINATING AMONGST OUR, OUR CRISIS INTERVENTION TEAM WITH APD, OUR INTEGRAL CARE TEAM, UM, YOU KNOW, IN OUR, IN OUR PARAMEDICS.

SO THERE WAS SOME SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS MADE FOR MEADOWS ABOUT, UH, WHAT THE PATH IS FOR THOSE THREE ENTITIES TO COORDINATE BETTER AND TO TRIAGE BETTER HOW THEY DO, UM, HOW THEY DO THOSE FOLLOWUPS.

UM, AND THAT INCLUDES WHO'S THE, WHO IS THE, FOR THE PARTICULAR SITUATION, WHAT KIND OF EXPERTISE IS NEEDED? IS IT PRIMARILY A CLINICIAN, UH, THAT SHOULD BE FOLLOWING UP IN THOSE KINDS OF THINGS? I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS WE NEED TO DO MORE WORK AS A CITY, UH, IN, IN, UH, FULLY IMPLEMENTING THE, THE MEADOWS RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO, UM, I'LL BE SURE.

AND I HAVE ASKED JUST FOR MY COLLEAGUES, UM, I AM ASKING THAT THE MEADOWS A REPORT COME TO US IN FEBRUARY, UH, AT A, UM, AT A WORK SESSION.

SO WE CAN ALL DIG INTO THE DETAILS OF, UM, OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THE LAST, UM, REPORT WE HAD WAS FROM THE SUMMER.

AND SO IT'S, IT'S TIME TO UNDERSTAND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEEN ACCOMPLISHED TO DATE AND WHAT STILL REMAINS TO BE SEEN AND TO REALLY GET INTO THOSE DETAILS.

SO I DON'T HA I DON'T KNOW, UM, UH, CITY MANAGER, IF, IF WE'VE GOT THE DATE YET, BUT A WORK SESSION IN FEBRUARY IS WHEN, UM, WHEN WE NEED TO, UM, TO GET THAT SET.

LET'S CONCLUDE MANAGER.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR THIS REALLY ENGAGING AND THOUGHTFUL CONVERSATION, WE KNOW THAT YOU'VE JUST RECEIVED THIS INFORMATION JUST A WHILE AGO.

THIS IS THE FIRST STEP, AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT ON GETTING YOU THAT INFORMATION AND ALLOWING OUR, UM, CONSULTANTS TO PRESENT IT TO YOU.

I WANT TO THANK, AND, AND THEIR TEAM, UH, THEY DID INCREDIBLE WORK AND REALLY, UH, HAD TO ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES AND WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE CHALLENGES AND DATA COLLECTION AND, AND PRESENTING THIS IN A WAY THAT CAN PROVIDE US WITH SOME CLEAR RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD.

UH, AND FINALLY, I WANT TO THANK OUR CHIEF AND THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I MEAN, THEY REALLY LEANED INTO THIS ENSURED THAT WE WERE BEING TRANSPARENT IN THE WAY WE APPROACH THIS WORK.

AND SO, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO SUPPORT AND WORK WITH THE CHIEF ON THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AS WE GO THROUGH THEM.

SO REALLY APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE THIS DISCUSSION TODAY.

THANK YOU MANAGER.

WE'RE GOING TO, UM, UH, GET THE END ON THE, UH, COUNCIL, UH, STOP ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, THE COMMITTEE STAFF.

THERE'S STILL A CALL REPORT COMING UP, I GUESS, ON THE ACADEMY AND STUFF THAT WE'LL BE FOLLOWING HERE SHORTLY.

THAT'S CORRECT MAYOR, AND WE ARE HOPING TO GET THAT ON THE SECOND COUNCIL CYCLE IN FEBRUARY.

AND SO IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, YOU WILL BE HEARING FROM THESE FOLKS AGAIN ON, ON THE CONCLUSION OF THE, THE ACADEMY.

AND SO, UH, STAY TUNED.

GREAT.

JUST WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON THAT REAL FAST.

UH, THANK YOU EVERYBODY TO BEING ONE OF THE BEST THINGS I THINK WE'RE DOING IN THIS CITY, YOU KNOW, IS AS WE'RE RETHINKING HOW WE DO PUBLIC SAFETY, GENERALLY, THIS IS A BIG PART OF THAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND THANK YOU TO ALL THE EXPERTS, CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US ALL AFTERNOON YEAR, UH, TODAY.

THANKS TO THE EXPERTS.

THANK YOU, COLLEEN.

[D1. Council appointments to intergovernmental entities and Council Committee memberships.]

I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY GOING ONLINE.

UM, SOME PEOPLE HAVE INDICATED THEY WANT TO TAKE ONE LAST, LOOK AT IT NOW WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY CAN SIGN UP FOR AS MANY DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AS THEY WANT TO, AND THEN PURSUANT TO THE, TO THE ORDINANCE, I'LL MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO YOU FOR CHAIRS, AND VICE-CHAIRS HERE PRETTY QUICK, UH, SO THAT, UH, EVERYBODY CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THOSE.

LET'S SEE HOW THE ELECTION TURNS OUT, UH, TO TONIGHT.

UH, CAUSE WE HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WILL BE JOINING US EITHER NOW OR IN, IN A, IN A RUNOFF ELECTION HE HAS OVER ALTER.

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UM, I HAVE ONE CONCERN ABOUT, UM, JUST HAVING EVERY COMMITTEE OPEN TO EVERYONE.

UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT US HAVING A LOT OF COMMITTEES THAT ARE COMMITTEES OF THE WHOLE, AND THEN IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE WITH QUORUM TO BE ABLE TO DO, TO DO THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF YOU COULD CLARIFY, UM, OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE CAN SHOW UP TO ANY COMMITTEE AND EVERYTHING, BUT THEIR NAME FOR EVERY COMMITTEE.

IF WE START HAVING A LOT OF COMMITTEES OF THE WHOLE, THEN WE ALL HAVE TO SHOW UP, RIGHT? AND I MISSPOKEN THAT, AS I SAID THIS MORNING, WHEN, WHEN LESLIE RAISED THAT ISSUE, I DIDN'T MEAN COMMITTEES HAVE A WHOLE, BUT WE DO HAVE A POLICY THAT SAYS PEOPLE BY ORDINANCE CAN, CAN SIGN UP FOR ANY COMMITTEE.

THEY WANT TO BE ON THUS FAR.

WE HAVEN'T RUN INTO AN ISSUE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

AND I DON'T ANTICIPATE WE WILL NOW EITHER.

UH, I THINK THEN THE LAST THING ON OUR AGENDA WHERE COUNCIL MEMBERS WANTED TO SPEAK TO AN ITEM THAT MAYBE THEY DIDN'T PULL, BUT ONE OR TWO ADDRESS CATHY, THERE WAS ONE THAT YOU WANTED TO SPEAK TO.

AND THEN,

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THANKS MAYOR.

SO ON OUR AGENDA FOR THURSDAY, WE HAVE THE RENOVATION COSTS FOR THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN COMMUNITY COURT COMING FORWARD.

WE HAD POSTPONED IT IN THE FALL TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING AT THE REQUEST OF SOME COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS.

THAT MEETING IS ACTUALLY, UH, HAPPENING TONIGHT.

AND WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF REGISTRANTS.

I THINK THE LAST, AT LAST COUNT WE HAD 50 OR SO, UM, I HAD INDICATED THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN ALLIANCE AND TO OTHER STAKEHOLDERS WHO HAD REACHED OUT THAT I WAS PREPARED TO ASK FOR A POSTPONEMENT UNTIL NEXT WEEK TO PROVIDE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, FOR INDIVIDUALS COMING TONIGHT TO REFLECT ON THE INFORMATION THEY RECEIVE AND THE MATERIALS THAT THEY'LL TAKE AWAY FROM OUR CONVERSATION WITH THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN COMMUNITY COURT PERSONNEL.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, I HAD INTENDED TO HIGHLIGHT, UH, TO Y'ALL THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR THAT ONE WEEK POSTPONEMENT.

UM, LAST NIGHT WE RECEIVED.

AND AGAIN, I HAD HAD THAT CONVERSATION A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WITH THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN ALLIANCE LAST NIGHT.

UM, WE ALL RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN ALLIANCE TO DELAY THIS UNTIL MARCH.

SO I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, UM, FOR MY COLLEAGUES AGAIN, IT WAS MY INTENT TO ASK FOR A POSTMAN UNTIL NEXT WEEK.

UM, I'M I OPEN IT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT NOW OR, OR ON THURSDAY, BUT JUST KNOW THAT, UM, THAT, THAT IS A PENDING REQUESTS THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

WE'VE GOTTEN ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL VOICES ASKING FOR MORE TIME.

UM, AND I APOLOGIZE, WE NOW HAVE 88 PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR TONIGHT AND I KNOW SOME OF, SOME OF THOSE PARTICIPANTS HAVE SENT ON, UM, LOTS OF QUESTIONS THAT WE LIKELY WON'T BE ABLE TO COVER THIS EVENING IN THE PRESENTATION IN PART, BECAUSE THEY WILL, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WILL REQUIRE STAFF FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHO WILL NOT BE PARTICIPATING IN THIS EVENING'S MEETING.

SO ABSOLUTELY.

UM, I BELIEVE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A POSTPONEMENT.

THE LENGTH OF THAT POSTPONEMENT, YOU KNOW, IS SOMETHING I LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSING WITH ALL OF YOU.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, JUST WANTED TO, TO ONE, MAKE MY INTENTION CLEAR, UH, TO ASK YOU ALL, NOT TO VOTE ON IT THIS WEEK.

UM, AND THE POST-MOMENT REQUESTS MAY BE LONGER THAN, THAN WHEN MEETING COUNCILMEMBER.

WELL, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT EARLIER.

I THINK, AND I SUPPORT THAT AND I HAD CHECKED WITH STAFF AND THEY WERE OKAY.

A QUESTION I HAD ASKED FOR WAS FOR A ONE WEEK DELAY.

UH, AND I THINK STAFF'S OKAY WITH THAT.

SO I THINK IT WILL BE POSTPONED AT LEAST THAT ONE WEEK AND ON THURSDAY, I WOULD SUGGEST WE HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOULD BE POSTPONED LONGER THAN THAT.

LET'S SEE HOW THE MEETING GOES TO TONIGHT.

UH, AND WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION THEN ON THURSDAY, WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION THEN.

YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE HAVING GOTTEN THIS REQUEST LAST NIGHT.

I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK WITH THE STAFF EITHER ABOUT WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE SO BEYOND A WEEK.

ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE TAKE OFF COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, MAY MAIN BRAND PRETEND AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER KITCHEN.

UM, I THINK IT'S ITEM 57 WAS AN AUDIT AND FINANCE ITEM RELATED TO BYLAWS, UM, FOR THE LAND USE COMMISSIONS.

UH, WE RECEIVED A MEMO, UH, I THINK FOR MR. GONZALEZ, UM, THE OTHER WEEK THAT INDICATED THAT THE LAND USE COMMISSIONS WILL BE STAYING IN CITY HALL FOR THEIR MEETINGS, UM, FOR NOW.

SO THE, SO THE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE BYLAWS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WHICH THE COMMITTEE DID NOT RECOMMEND IN ANY CASE, UM, BUT WANTED TO BRING THE ISSUE TO ATTENDANCE IS NO LONGER RELEVANT.

SO WE WOULD MOVE TO POSTPONE THAT INDEFINITELY.

AND PERHAPS THAT CAN JUST BE WHAT'S THERE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ON THURSDAY.

AND I THINK, UH, VICE CHAIR WHO MAY HAVE A SOUNDS GOOD.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO IT ON A CONSENT AGENDA BECAUSE IT'S AN ITEM FROM COUNCIL, BUT I THINK WE CAN POSTPONE IT INDEFINITELY.

UH, KATHERINE POOL.

THANKS.

I ALSO WANTED TO ADD IN THAT, UH,

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SORRY.

HANG ON.

I WAS LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER KITCHEN.

I HAD CALLED THEM.