Aug 06, 2020 Special Public Safety Committee

CAN YOU HEAR ME? SOUNDS GOOD.

MAYOR ADLER.

AND, UH, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, MAYOR? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOUR AUDIO IS WORKING WELL, HOPEFULLY AT SOME POINT THE MAYOR WILL, UH, WILL HAVE HIS MIC ON, UM, JUST AS A REMINDER, AS I ALWAYS LIKE TO DO AT THE START OF THESE MEETINGS.

UM, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN INTO A REALLY GOOD PATTERN OF IT, BUT, UH, TRY TO KEEP YOURSELVES MUTED IF YOU CAN.

I WILL.

YOU, YOU, UH, IF YOU FORGET, PLEASE, DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY.

UM, AND, UH, UH, I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO TODAY IS WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION BY STAFF, UH, SOMEWHAT BRIEF TALKING ABOUT NINE 11 CALL ANALYSIS.

THEN WE'VE GOT TIME SLATED FOR, UH, QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UH, THAT SHOULD TAKE US TO JUST BEFORE 11 WE'LL THEN DO AN INITIAL CONVERSATION PRESENTATION FROM EBONY NEW ON A CONTINUATION FROM OUR CONVERSATION TUESDAY, WE'LL TAKE A QUICK LUNCH BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND FINISH OUR CONVERSATION, HOPEFULLY IN A SHORT CONVERSATION ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY AGENDA ITEMS AND THE, THE INTENT TODAY, BOTH MOSTLY FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND IS, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL COMMITTEE MEETINGS ARE NOT PLACES WHERE WE TAKE VOTES.

WE'RE NOT ADOPTING ANY FINAL DECISIONS TODAY, BUT HOPEFULLY WHAT WE'LL ACCOMPLISH IS NARROW DOWN THE CONVERSATION TO WHAT WILL HOPEFULLY BE VOTABLE OBJECTS.

WE CAN TAKE INTO THE BUDGET CONVERSATION AND THE BUDGET MEETINGS NEXT WEEK.

AND SO NARROWING THE FIELD AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT TO THE THINGS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN VOTE ON, HOPEFULLY IS WHAT I THINK WE CAN ACCOMPLISH TODAY.

MAYOR ADLEY WANNA TEST YOUR AUDIO, MR. CHAIR.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR MADISON.

GOOD MORNING.

TESTING TESTING ONE, TWO, THREE, GOOD MORNING.

TO TAKE US THROUGH A NINE 11 ANALYSIS? GOOD MORNING.

MAKE SURE I'M NOT MISSING ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.

SOUNDS GOOD.

OKAY, TERRY AND JONATHAN, ARE YOU READY

[2. Discussion of the City's 9-1-1 call center data.]

WE ARE READY.

I AM GOING TO GET YOUR PRESENTATION PULLED UP.

LOOK, LOOKS GOOD.

AND I AND OUR COLLEAGUES UNDERTOOK WAS TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT FUTURE ORIENTATION OF HOW MIGHT WE USE POLICE CALLS FOR SERVICE AND RELATED DATA TO REIMAGINE PUBLIC SAFETY.

GOOD MORNING.

COMMITTEE CHAIR, UH, FLANAGAN AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS CARRIE O'CONNOR.

I'M THE CITY'S CHIEF INNOVATION OFFICER.

UM, I'M JOINED BY MY NEW COLLEAGUE CHIEF DATA OFFICER FOR APD, JONATHAN, UH, WHO COMES TO US CERTAINLY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAVEN WHERE HE WAS AN ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE.

JONATHAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF? SORRY.

YOU'RE ON THE, IT'S NOT A LIE.

IT'S NOT ALLOWING ME TO UNMUTE.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANKS TO EVERYONE, UH, EXCITED TO BE HERE AND EXCITED TO GET STARTED WITH THIS.

UH, THE WORK WE'VE STARTED DOING WITH INNOVATIONS HAS BEEN A REALLY GOOD, UH, IN TERMS OF SETTING THE FOUNDATION FOR A PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HOPE TO REALIZE MOVING FORWARD TO KIND OF ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS WITH THE DATA WE HAVE TO THE BEST OF OUR GOAL.

THANKS FOR, AND I WANT TO NOTE THAT WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER WITH LIEUTENANT CAN RP AND APD AND THE INNOVATION OFFICE, DATA SCIENTIST, PECKER BATCH PAY TO BRING YOU THIS PRESENTATION TODAY.

SO IF YOU MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, THIS IS OUR AGENDA.

WE'RE TRYING TO BE RELATIVELY BRIEF SO THAT WE CAN GET TO QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.

UH, NEXT SLIDE, THE PURPOSE OF THE ANALYSIS, UM, THAT JONATHAN

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SECONDLY, WE REALLY NEED TO ITERATE, UM, FREQUENTLY ON THIS ANALYSIS WITH ALL OF YOUR HELP.

WE WANT TO GET FEEDBACK ON THE DASHBOARDS THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU TODAY FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, ALONG A LONGER DATA TIME SERIES OF NOTE, THE DASHBOARDS THAT WE'RE CREATING TODAY, OR WITH JANUARY, 2020 DATA, AND I WILL GET INTO WHY THAT IS.

SO WE DO NOT YET OFFER CONCLUSIONS, GIVEN THE TIME LIMITATION OF THE DATA THAT WE'RE USING.

AND AS WE DISCUSS DATA CAVEATS, WE NEED TO CORRECTLY ARCHITECT THE DATA FRAMEWORK.

SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY.

THAT EXISTS IN THE CURRENT DATA SYSTEM.

I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO JONATHAN.

UM, HE'S BEEN THE IMMACULATE PROFESSOR AND TEACHING ME ABOUT SOME OF THE DATA CAVEATS.

UM, AND I THINK YOU MIGHT BETTER HEAR FROM HIM, UH, FROM HIM, UH, EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS DATA.

ALL RIGHT.

SO I'M WANTING TO GET STARTED AND WHERE THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING HERE.

AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE WANT TO ESTABLISH, UM, A VERY ACTIVE RELATIONSHIP IN TERMS OF PORTRAYING THE DATA THAT ARE STORED WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO KIND OF ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS POSSIBLE.

THE REAL CHALLENGE COMES FROM THE FACT THAT THE DATA SYSTEMS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE BUILT FOR ADMINISTRATIVE PURPOSES.

THEY'RE NOT BUILT FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES, AND VERY OFTEN THESE SYSTEMS ARE BUILT TO COMPLY WITH STATE AND FEDERAL ORGANIZATIONAL MANDATES.

UM, SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WHERE DATA COMPATIBILITY IS NOT NEARLY AS GOOD AS YOU MIGHT HOPE.

UM, SO WE REALLY WANT TO THANK, UH, AHD ANALYTICS FOR THE WORK THAT THEY DID TO GET THIS TOPIC STARTED.

UM, THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU A SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT TODAY.

UM, SORT OF HOW SOME OF THESE DATA SYSTEM ISSUES AND THE UNDERLYING PROCESS THAT DRIVES THOSE DATA SYSTEMS USES, UM, CAN RENDER SITUATIONS WHERE ANALYSIS OF THE DATA CAN BE INCOMPLETE, CAN BE EASILY MISINTERPRETED.

UM, AND IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT, UH, IT'S VERY COMMON PHENOMENON, REP POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN THE U S THAT ANALYSTS WORKING WITH POLICE DATA, SOMEONE GET THEIR FEET HELD TO THE FIRE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S VERY EASY TO RENDER CONFLICTING FINDINGS.

UM, SO I HOPE THAT THIS PRESENTATION THAT WE GIVE, BECAUSE YOU SOME SENSE OF THIS PROVIDES A FOUNDATION FOR MOVING FORWARD.

SO, UM, WE CAN'T REALLY THINK ABOUT THE DATA THEMSELVES WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT THE UNDERLYING PROCESS THAT GENERATES THE DATA.

SO LOOKING AT NINE 11 CALLS, WE MIGHT THINK ABOUT THIS THIS WAY.

I THINK ABOUT A CALL COMING IN, UM, AND A CALL TAKER, GETTING SOME INFORMATION AND GIVING THAT INFORMATION TO A DISPATCHER.

AND SO WHEN A DISPATCHER GETS THE SORT OF INITIAL BIT OF INFORMATION, THEY'RE GOING TO ASSIGN IT SOME TYPE OF PROBLEM CODE, AND THIS IS OUR BEST GUESS AT THAT POINT AS TO WHAT'S HAPPENING.

UM, BUT AS EVERYONE IS LIKELY AWARE, UH, THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW LEGAL CODE, THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW CLASSIFICATIONS, AND MANY TIMES WHEN YOU REVIEW DISPATCH DATA OR NINE 11 CALL DATA, UM, IT'S OFTEN AMAZING TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING TO TRY TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT NOMINAL, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AGAIN, DISPATCH IS GOING TO TAKE A GUESS AT THE BEST LIKELY EVENT THAT'S HAPPENING AND THEY'RE GOING TO ASSIGN THAT TO IT.

AND THAT BASIS, BOTH WHAT THE EVENT IS AND FEATURES OF THE EVENT ARE GOING TO LINK IT TO WHAT AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT USES AS A PRIORITY.

COOK DISPATCH, IMPORTANTLY, THE HIGHEST PRIORITY CODES ARE ASSIGNED TO EVENTS WHERE IT IS BELIEVED BASED UPON THE SITUATION THAT IMMEDIATE INTERVENTION HAS A PUBLIC SAFETY BENEFIT, RIGHT? SO THOSE ARE THE ONES WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO IMMEDIATELY GET TO.

NOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE CODES, REMEMBER THAT THESE CODES GENERALLY MAY NOT ACTUALLY REPRESENT WHAT'S HAPPENING ON SCENE.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE GET INTO AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENS IS WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THESE INCIDENTS, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THE FACT THAT WE HAVE MULTIPLE OFFICERS AT TIMES RESPONDING.

SO GETTING TO SCENE, SOMETIMES YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRIMARY.

SOMETIMES YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BACKUP, THAT'S SHOWING UP AND SO CREATES A CHALLENGE IN THAT THINGS THAT ARE UNDERSTOOD AT THE INCIDENT LEVEL, UM, MAY ACTUALLY BE INCORRECT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO COMPENSATE FOR THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS WERE INVOLVED.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE INITIAL NINE 11 WORK THAT AGED ANALYTICS DID, CAN'T BE THOUGHT OF AT THE TIME THAT YOU STUDY IT DOESN'T COMPENSATE FOR THIS FACT.

SO I, WE CAN JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

AND SO THINKING ABOUT THIS KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVE PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE THESE DATA ELEMENTS THAT ARE BEING GENERATED LIKE THE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PRIMARY TYPE CODES, UM, THE DIFFERENT DISPATCHER CODES, AND YOU HAVE WAYS THAT THE SYSTEM IS NEEDED.

SO VERY OFTEN IT'S VERY COMMON IN POLICE DEPARTMENT DATA SYSTEMS. UM, IT WILL NOT BE BUILT TO DO CERTAIN THINGS THAT WOULD BE VERY USEFUL.

AND SO A PROCESS WILL BE DEVELOPED WHERE THE SYSTEM WILL BE USED IN A WAY IT CAN BE USED TO ACTUALLY DO SO VERY COMMON THING HERE IS THAT YOU MIGHT NOTICE IF YOU EVER LOOKED THROUGH AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT DATA, SOME OF THESE PROBLEM CODES WILL HAVE LETTERS IN FRONT OF THEM LIKE A Z AND AN X.

AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT'S ALPHABETICAL.

SO THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE MOVE DATA DOWN THE SCREEN, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A FEATURE

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SO THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF LITTLE, UM, UH, NUANCES THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT IT SYSTEMS MEAN.

SO THE COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH SYSTEM, THE CAD, UH, IS ON THE FRONT END.

AND THIS IS COLLECTING THESE DATA THAT WE HAVE BASED UPON WHAT'S BEING CALLED IN.

WHAT'S BEING GIVEN TO THE DISPATCHER AND WHAT THE INITIATIVE, WHAT THE PATROL ELEMENTS ARE DOING RELATED TO THAT CALL.

SO ON THE BACKSIDE OF IT, WE HAVE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SYSTEMS AND RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND ALL OF THE INFORMATION, THAT'S, POST-INCIDENT EVERYTHING THAT TELLS US WHAT THE OFFICER ACTUALLY WOULD HAPPEN.

ANYTHING THAT THEY DID IN RESPONSE TO IT REALLY EXISTS IN THAT ENTIRELY DIFFERENT DATA SYSTEM.

SO WE HAVE AN ISSUE OF NEEDING TO LINK THESE DATA SYSTEMS TOGETHER, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING.

WE KINDA JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THAT, CONCEPTUALLY, WHAT WE SEE IS, IS, IS QUITE CLEAR IS THAT THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE ON THE FRONT END, WHICH IS VERY OFTEN THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO MAKE CHOICES ABOUT HOW TO RESPOND, THAT INFORMATION IS UNCERTAIN BOTH IN A PROCESS STANDPOINT, AND ALSO THE RECORDED DATA.

AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WE GET OFFICERS ON SCENE TO GET US RESPONSE, WE GET MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING, AND WE BECOMES A LITTLE BIT MORE EXCLUSIVE, RIGHT? ONCE WE GET INTO THE DATA IN THE RMS SYSTEM, WE'RE STARTING TO DEAL WITH WHAT IS RECORDED AS THE ACTUAL EVENT.

AND THOSE DATA ARE OBVIOUSLY THE MOST CERTAIN, AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND.

WE CAN'T MAKE DECISIONS BASED UPON THOSE DATA AT THE POINT AT WHICH WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF ANALYSIS LOOKING AT DATA AT ANY PARTICULAR TIME SLICE, UM, THAT'S NECESSARY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST PRACTICES MIGHT BE.

AND I JUMPED TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

AND SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE, THESE TYPES OF ANALYSIS, UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ISSUES IN THE DATA THEMSELVES AND THESE, AND WE'RE BEGINNING A PROCESS OF WORKING THROUGH UNDERSTANDING THESE ISSUES SINCE I'M NEW TO THE ORGANIZATION, BUT YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF THE TIMESTAMPS.

SO IF WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW LONG OFFICER'S SPIN ON IT ON AN EVENT, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO TAKE THE RESPONSE TIMESTAMP, WHICH IS THE VERY FIRST TIME AT WHICH THE OFFICER TAKES THE CALL FROM DISPATCH.

AND THERE'S A PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL THEY ARRIVE ON SCENE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER TIMESTAMP THERE.

SO THAT TIME IS OFFICER WORK TIME, YOU GET TO YOU GET TO THE CALL.

AND SO THE BACKUP'S GOING TO ACTUALLY POST IN WHEN THEY TAKE THE CALL, THEY'RE GOING TO JUST START IN AN ARRIVED TIMESTAMP.

SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO GET A CALL CLEARED TIMESTAMP.

NOW, IMPORTANTLY, AND THIS IS COMMON AND IN CAD AND RMS DATA AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT I'VE ANALYZED AS WELL, YOU HAVE A LOT OF MISSING DATA, RIGHT? YOU HAVE INSTANCES WHERE IT CAN BE AS SIMPLE AS, UM, AN INPUT ERROR, RIGHT? IT CAN BE AS, UH, AS IMPORTANT FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT AS AN ISSUE THAT NECESSITATES IMMEDIATE MOVE A LOT OF THE CAR.

UM, AND SO WE HAVE A LOT OF MISSING DATA.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALSO UNDERSTAND OUR ANALYSIS WILL ALWAYS NECESSARILY BE INCOMPLETE.

AND WHEN WE GET BACK TO THAT IN THE NEXT SLIDE, ALL RIGHT, SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CARRIE.

SO SHE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN AGE ANALYTICS WORK AND OUR CURRENT WORK, AS WELL AS MOVING INTO THE DASHBOARDS THAT WE, SO WHEN WE LAST SPOKE, UM, AND YOU ASKED ME TO OFFER A FEW WORDS ABOUT THE AGE ANALYTICS REPORT.

UM, I DEFINITELY CONCURRED WITH SOME OF THE CATEGORIZATION.

YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S QUITE CONFUSING, UM, WITH THE VAST NUMBER OF ADMINISTRATIVE CODES.

UM, AND THAT TENDS TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT AS JONATHAN IS DESCRIBING TO REALLY PULL THE SIGNAL OUT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE AS A, AS AN ANALYSIS, WHAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, THROUGH, UH, JONATHAN'S HELP AND LIEUTENANT MURPHY'S HELP IS TO PICKING OUT THE DATA ELEMENTS THAT AGE, THAT ANALYTICS DID NOT HAVE ACCESS TO.

SO, UM, IF YOU ONLY HAVE THE INITIAL PROBLEM CODE, YOU MAY TRY TO DERIVE WHICH ONE IS OFFICER INITIATED AND WHICH ONE CAME FROM A COLOR.

I KNOW BECAUSE I TRIED TO DO THAT WITH THE INITIAL DATA SET.

UM, BUT WHEN WE COULD LOOK FOR ANOTHER DATA ELEMENT, IT ACTUALLY WAS VERY CLEAR, UM, WHICH ONE WAS INITIATED BY AN OFFICER IN WHICH ONE WAS INITIATED BY A CALLER.

UM, FOR THE TIME SPENT ANALYSIS, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE DATA ELEMENT AROUND EITHER A PRIMARY OR A BACKUP OFFICER AND THE TIMESTAMP THAT THEY ARRIVED.

AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET A LOOK AT SOME OF THE UPDATE CODES, UM, FOR, UH, BOTH THE INITIAL PROBLEM, AS WELL AS THE PRIORITY.

UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THIS WORK, UH, WE'LL BE CROSSING OVER INTO THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM TO FIND OUT HOW THE DISPOSITION CODE WAS UPDATED, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, LINKING IT TO ANY ARREST RECORDS AND GETTING THE FBI OFFENSE, THE NEIGHBORS CODES, UM, AS I WAS DOING MY OWN SORT OF INDEPENDENT DESK RESEARCH, I COULD SEE EVERYBODY FROM THE POLICE DATA INITIATIVE TO THE NINE ELEVEN.GOV TO

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A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS TALKING ABOUT NATIONWIDE, UPDATING TO NEIGHBORS FROM THE UCR CODES.

UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT'S ALSO AT PLAY, UM, IN, IN HOW WE REALLY CATEGORIZE THIS WORK, UM, WITHOUT ACCESS TO THESE DATA ELEMENTS, THE AGE THAT ANALYTICS, UM, IS NECESSARILY INCOMPLETE.

UM, BUT I THINK, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD START AND GETTING US TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THIS CONTEXTUALLY AND LOCALLY COMPLETE NEXT SLIDE.

UM, WE'RE GETTING READY TO MOVE TO THE, TO THE DASHBOARDS, BUT I WANT TO REITERATE THAT BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITIES OF THIS DATA AND WANTING TO GET IT RIGHT.

UM, WE'RE WORKING ONLY WITH JANUARY, 2020 DATA.

WE WANTED THAT SMALLER SAMPLE SIZE TO MAKE SURE WE GET OUR DATA ARCHITECTURE, CORRECT.

WE WANTED TO HONOR UNPACK AND ALIGN, UH, THOSE LINES OF INQUIRIES THAT I ASKED ALL OF YOU TO SEND ME, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, ONCE WE'VE RECEIVED FROM CIVIL SOCIETY, GROUPS AND MANAGEMENT, THAT HELPED US MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE PULLING SOME OF THESE DATA ELEMENTS AND PUTTING IT TOGETHER, UH, WE'RE HONORING WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT TO GET OUT OF THE DATA.

UM, HOPEFULLY WITH THOSE IN MIND, WE'LL GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE DASHBOARDS AND MAKE, UH, SUGGESTED CHANGES AND UPDATE IT WITH A LONGER TIME SERIES.

UM, I WOULD NOTE THAT THE JANUARY THAT WAS PRE COVID FOR THE MOST PART, WE HADN'T REALLY STARTED IMPLEMENTING ANY PROTOCOL CHANGES.

UM, BUT I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT AROUND, UH, MARCH, APRIL YOU'LL SEE VARIATIONS IN THE DATA BECAUSE OF HOW, UM, OFFICER PROTOCOLS HAD CHANGED IN RESPONSE TO THE PANDEMIC.

UM, SOME SAMPLE LINES OF INQUIRY THAT, UH, I RECEIVED WAS, UM, TIME SPENT ON MENTAL HEALTH CALLS, TIME SPENT ANALYSIS, REPEAT PROPERTIES AND SIGNALS FOR PREVENTATIVE INTERVENTION.

UM, IF WE HAVE A NEW REPORT SIGNAL, DOES THAT MEAN WE CAN SOLVE FOR IT DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE IT DIDN'T REQUIRE, UM, MOVING FORWARD, UH, IN A LEGAL SENSE.

UM, WHAT ARE THE RANGES OF DISTURBANCE PRO UH, DIFFERENT PROBLEM TYPES? LIKE YOU'LL SEE DISTURBANCE, OTHER DISTURBANCE, SERVICE, DISTURBANCE, URGENT.

UM, WHAT DOES ALL OF THAT ACTUALLY MEAN? UM, WHAT IS THE TIME SPENT ON SPECIFIC PROBLEM TYPES AND MAYBE WHAT DOES THE DAY OF THE LIFE OF AN OFFICER? UM, ACCORDING TO THIS DATA, THOSE WERE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE RECEIVED.

AND IF MORE, COME UP, PLEASE DO SEND THEM MY WAY.

WE'LL MAKE SURE WE'LL CONTINUE TO TAILOR THE DATA AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

SO I'M GOING TO GO INTO FOR THE DASHBOARDS AND VISUALS.

THERE'S ONLY ONE WE'RE GOING TO DO A LIVE DEMO OF RIGHT NOW, BUT IN THIS PRESENTATION, UH, THERE'S A LINK TO TABLO WHERE ALL OF THESE, UH, DASHBOARDS ARE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE FOR ANYBODY TO LOOK AT AND PROVIDE US WITH FEEDBACK ON ANY CHANGES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

UM, SO I HAVE SOME SCREENSHOTS AND ONE OF THEM WILL GO INTO A DEMO.

THIS IS ONE WHERE WE'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY DO A QUICK DEMO.

THIS IS A SCREENSHOT OF A GENERAL CALL PER SERVICE.

HERE.

YOU CAN SEE THE DATA BROKEN DOWN BY SERVICE PRIORITY, UM, IN THE BACK OF THIS PRESENTATION, WHICH WE WILL NOT BE PRESENTING ON SCREEN.

UH, BUT WHAT WE'LL MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS, IS SORT OF A, UM, AN ARCHIVE OF, OF WHAT THESE DEFINITIONS ARE, RIGHT? SO ZERO, UH, IS THE MOST URGENT WHERE, UM, PROPERTY OR LIFE IS IN DANGER AND POLICE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SCENE AND THE POLICE RESPONSE WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIFE OR DEATH.

SO IT'S REALLY URGENT ALL THE WAY DOWN, UH, TO THREE, WHERE THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

UM, THE POLICE OFFICER RESPONSE IN THE SCENE IS, IS NOT CRITICAL TO SAVING LIVES.

MAYBE SOMEONE'S ALREADY LEFT THE SCENE, UM, AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE DEGREES OF SEVERITY OF PRIORITY.

UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THROUGH POLICE SECTOR, ALONG THE BOTTOM, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE, THE DIFFERENT PRIORITIES, UH, ARE SHAPED THROUGHOUT THE TIME OF DAY.

WE HAVE SOME REAL SPIKES IN PRIORITY, THREE CALLS, UH, TOWARDS THE END OF THE DAY, WHEREAS PRIORITY ZERO CALLS ARE RELATIVELY STABLE THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

WE HAVE A COUNT OF PRIMARY AND BACKUP POLICE OFFICER RESPONSES.

UM, SO THIS IS WHERE WE'VE COUNTED EVERY SINGLE PRIMARY AND BACKUP OFFICER WHO HAS RESPONDED TO EACH PRIORITY.

UM, AND THEN A TIME SPENT ANALYSIS.

WE'VE BROKEN IT DOWN INTO TWO PARTS.

THE FIRST PART IS THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME.

SO WHEN THE CALL COMES IN TO WHEN THE PRIMARY OFFICER ARRIVES ON THE SCENE, AND THEN THE AVERAGE TIME ON SCENE, WHICH IS THE TIME FROM WHEN THE PRIMARY AND THE BACKUP OFFICERS ARRIVE ON THE SCENE TO THE TIME THAT THE CALL IS CLEARED SO THAT, UM, WE HAVE SOME DIFFERENT WAYS OF BREAKING OUT THE DATA.

HERE YOU GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN.

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UM, UH, ACTUALLY, UM, IF YOU COULD, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FLANAGAN, UM, LOOK FOR THE, THE ONE THAT'S THE OFFICER INITIATED VERSUS DISPATCH.

THERE WE GO.

COULD EASILY DEESCALATE AS WELL AS ESCALATE.

SO IN THIS DASHBOARD, WE'VE TRIED TO BREAK APART THE DIFFERENT TRENDS BY WHETHER A CALL WAS DISPATCHED, UM, FROM NINE 11, UH, OR WHETHER THE OFFICER INITIATED THE CALL, WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE.

AS YOU CAN SEE THAT IN JANUARY, 2020, THERE WERE FAR MORE DISPATCH CALLS THAN OFFICER INITIATED CALLS.

UM, WE HAVE A LIST OF YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM TYPES, THE INITIAL PROBLEM TYPES, BUT YOU CAN ALSO LOOK AT IT RELATIONALLY.

IT'S THE SAME DATA, JUST TWO DIFFERENT VIEWS.

WE HAVE, UM, DIFFERENCES IN TRENDS IN THE, UH, PAUL'S RECEIVED BY HOUR OF THE DAY, THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER.

YOU HAVE COUNT OF CALLS BY DISPOSITION.

SO HERE YOU CAN SEE WHETHER A REPORT WAS WRITTEN.

UM, NO REPORT WAS WRITTEN, WHETHER IT HAD, UM, A MENTAL HEALTH FLAG IS ALSO IN THE DISPOSITION.

YOU CAN SEE THE COUNT OF CALLS BY POLICE SECTOR, UM, AND COUNT OF CALLS BY PRIORITY AND A TIME SPENT ANALYSIS.

SO THIS DASHBOARD IS INTERACTIVE.

SO COUNCIL MEMBER FLANAGAN, IF YOU WERE TO CLICK ON THE RELATIONAL VIEW, IF YOU WERE TO CLICK ON DISTURBANCE, OTHER, YOU WOULD SEE THE, UH, TOOL TIP, POP UP LIKE YOU JUST DID, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE ENTIRE DASHBOARD, UM, START TO RENDER.

UM, IF YOU GO AHEAD AND CLICK ON IT, THE ENTIRE DASHBOARD RENDERS THE CHANGES, UM, ABOUT THE CALLS THAT WERE DISPATCHED FOR DISTURBANCE.

OTHER, IF YOU CLICK ON THAT SAME, UH, THING AGAIN, THE DISTURBANCE OTHER IT'LL RETURN THE DASHBOARD TO ITS REGULAR STATE, YOU CAN DO THE SAME THING IF YOU GO DOWN TO REPORT WRITTEN, UM, AND YOU CAN CLICK ON, I THINK YOU CAN CLICK ON THE ACTUAL WORDS REPORT WRITTEN, AND YOU CAN GET THE DATA FOR BOTH DISPATCHED AND OFFICER INITIATED WHERE REPORTS WERE WRITTEN.

IF YOU CLICK ON THAT SAME THING AGAIN, IT'LL RETURN THE DASHBOARD TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE.

SO IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE PRESENTATION, I'LL SHOW YOU TWO MORE, UH, SCREENSHOTS, NEXT SLIDE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE MADE THE IMAGES OF HYPERLINK.

UM, WE'VE CREATED A MENTAL HEALTH, UH, DASHBOARD FOR JANUARY, 2020.

UM, AND IN THIS VIEW, REMEMBER IT'S JANUARY 20, 28.

THEY HAD JUST STARTED INITIATING THE PROTOCOLS FOR THE MENTAL HEALTH FLAG AND JUST STARTED RECEIVING THE TRAINING, UH, FOR HOW TO DIVERT SOME OF THOSE CALLS.

SO AS WE GET MORE TIME HORIZON ON THIS DATA, UH, WE'LL SEE SOME CHANGES IN THE TREND LINE.

WE HAVE A VERY SIMILAR, UH, UH, TYPE OF ANALYSIS HERE CALLS, UH, OUT BY HOUR OF THE DAY.

UM, WE HAVE A COUNT OF THE CALLS BY TOP INITIAL PROBLEM CATEGORIES.

UM, WE HAVE A TIME SPENT ANALYSIS ON THE BOTTOM, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE TIME SPENT ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE OFFERED IN THE DASHBOARDS FOR MENTAL HEALTH CALLS.

THERE'S SUCH A WIDE RANGE OF HOW MUCH TIME OFFICERS MAY SPEND ON THAT CALL THAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD GIVE YOU MORE OF A, A VIEW OF THE EDGES, INCLUDING THE GRAY BAND.

UH, THE DARKER GRAY BAND IS REALLY WHERE THE MEDIAN, UH, IS ON THE TIME SPENT ANALYSIS.

AGAIN, WE HAVE A COUNT OF THE PRIMARY AND BACKUP OFFICER RESPONSES THAT IT'S CATEGORIZED HERE BY WHETHER IT'S A CONFIRMED OR POTENTIAL MENTAL HEALTH COMPONENT, WHETHER THE COUNSELOR WAS TRANSFERRED TO AN ELIGIBLE CALL.

UM, AND WE HAVE A FEW THAT ARE, THAT ARE NOT CATEGORIZED.

UM, WE ANTICIPATE PROBABLY MAKING SOME, SOME TWEAKS TO THIS, UH, WITH YOUR FEEDBACK.

UM, AND AS WE PULL IN MORE, MORE DATA FROM A LONGER TIME HORIZON, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

MAKE A NOTE TO SELF ABOUT ADDING HYPERLINKS TO SCREENSHOTS.

UM, THIS IS, UH, AN INITIAL CALL PROBLEM VIEW WHERE YOU CAN SIFT AND SORT BY THE INITIAL CALL PROBLEM AND THE CALL DISPOSITION.

NOW, IF YOU REMEMBER FROM OUR DATA CAVEATS, THERE'S A COUPLE OF STEPS MISSING FROM THIS ANALYSIS.

UM, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE HOW THE COAL PROBLEM CODE MAY HAVE TRANSFORMED.

UM, WHEN AN OFFICER GOES TO THE SCENE, THE SITUATION

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UM, AND WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS ON SCENE CAN LOOK VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE TO THE DISPATCHER IN THE INITIAL CALL TAKER.

SO WE'D LIKE TO BE DOING A COAL PROBLEM TRANSFORMATION ANALYSIS, BUT THIS WILL AT LEAST GIVE YOU A ROUGH SENSE OF HOW THE CALLS COME IN AND HOW THEY WERE, UH, WHAT THE DISPOSITION WAS.

AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO, UM, KIND OF CLICK THROUGH THE DIFFERENT CALL PROBLEMS IN PRIORITIES.

SO YOU CAN DO SOME SIFTING AND SORTING, UH, HERE ON THIS VIEW, YOU CAN COLLECT THE GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN.

UM, THIS IS WHERE WE TRIED TO LOOK AT THE FALSE ALARM, UH, DATA ANALYSIS.

SO EVERYTHING THAT HAS ALARM ROBBERY OR BURGLARY IN THE WORLD IN THE WORD, UM, OF THE CALL PROBLEM IS, IS WHERE A FALSE ALARM WOULD APPLY.

UH, THE CALL DISPOSITION HERE SHOWS HOW MANY OF THEM ARE FALSE.

THAT'S THE TOP GRAPH ON THE LEFT.

THE BOTTOM, UH, GRAPH SHOWS YOU THE COUNT OF OFFICER RESPONSES.

SO THAT'S A COUNT OF PRIMARY AND BACKUP OFFICERS WHO RESPONDED.

UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE COUNT OF CALLS BY INITIAL, UH, PROBLEM CATEGORY, UM, AND, AND ITS DISPOSITION.

THERE'S MORE TO BE DONE, I BELIEVE ON, ON THIS FALSE ALARM.

AS I WAS LOOKING AT SOME LITERATURE ABOUT DIFFERENT ANALYSIS, PEOPLE ARE DOING ON NINE 11 CALLS FOR SERVICE, UM, MANCHESTER IN THE UK DID A FAIR BIT OF DATA MODELING USING OFFICER EXPERIENCE WELL AS THE DATA TO DETERMINE WHAT WE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO DO TO LOWER THE NUMBER OF FALSE ALARM CALLS.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS RIGHT NOW, WE TRY TO OFFER A DISINCENTIVE FOR REPEAT FALSE ALARMS BY HAVING A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

UM, BUT I DO THINK THIS MIGHT BE AN, UH, AN EXAMPLE WHERE SOME DATA MODELING, UM, AND LEARNING OF AN ALGORITHM OVER TIME MIGHT HELP US TRY TO GET PREDICTIVE OR PROACTIVE AROUND THIS.

UM, AS, AS NOTED BY SOME, YOU DON'T KNOW IT'S A FALSE ALARM UNTIL YOU GET THERE.

UM, BUT THIS IS WHERE PERHAPS MACHINE LEARNING MIGHT BE ABLE TO AID US IN THE FUTURE.

SO THIS BRINGS ME TO THE NEXT STEPS IN A FUTURE ANALYSIS.

WE DEFINITELY WANT TO EXTEND THE DASHBOARDS TO A LONGER TIME HORIZON.

WE WANT TO LOOK AT CALL PROBLEM TRANSFORMATION AND CONTINUE THAT JOURNEY INTO THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, THE RMS DATA WE'D LIKE TO LOOK AT CALL OUTCOMES.

WHAT IS THE ULTIMATE DISPOSITION WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, THE CRIMINALITY ELEMENT, THE, THE NEIGHBOR'S CODE, UM, THAT IS FORMERLY DISCUSSED IN THE AHD ANALYTICS IS THE UCR CODE.

UM, SINCE THAT SEEMS TO BE AN AREA OF INTEREST FOR PEOPLE ALSO ALARM CONTINUED ANALYSIS AND HOW MODELING AND PREDICTION MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP WE'RE GOING TO DO A LOCATION BASED ANALYSIS.

UM, BUT AS JONATHAN HAS MENTIONED TO ME, UH, THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES, UH, JUST IN THE, IN THE LOCATION DATA THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KIND OF GO THROUGH AND EITHER CORRECT OR ACCOUNT FOR.

UM, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE GENTRIFICATION MAPS AND CALLS FOR SERVICE CORRELATION.

THE INNOVATION OFFICE I TEAM HAS BEEN SPENDING THE BETTER PART OF A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF WORKING WITH NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING ON GENTRIFICATION AND DISPLACEMENT.

UM, WE DO KNOW THAT GENTRIFICATION STAGES CAN SIGNAL, UM, THE UPTAKE IN EVICTIONS, AT LEAST IN A PRE COVID ERA.

UM, AND SO IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY CORRELATION WITH CALLS FOR SERVICE AND SAY, UM, PRE-STAGE GENTRIFICATION OR SUSCEPTIBLE STAGE GENTRIFICATION AREAS, UM, AN INCIDENT LEVEL ANALYSIS WHERE WE HAVE A RANGE OF OFFICER COUNT PER INCIDENT OR RANGE AND TYPES OF INCIDENTS.

UH, WE'D LIKE TO DO JOURNEY MAPS.

WHAT'S A DAY IN THE LIFE OF AN OFFICER RESPONDING TO CALLS, AND THEN WE DEFINITELY WANT TO REPRESENT THIS DATA, NOT JUST IN DASHBOARDS, BUT IN OPEN DATA FORMAT.

UM, DALLAS AND SAN ANTONIO EACH HAVE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT REPRESENTATION OF CALLS FOR SERVICE AND THEY'RE, UH, OPEN DATA PORTALS AND ON THEIR, UM, ART GIS PORTALS.

UH, SO WE'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO FOR AUSTIN IN THAT REGARD.

YEARS OLD, AND WE ALL KNOW IT'S TECHNOLOGY LOOKED LIKE AS IT WAS GETTING STARTED.

AND I LEAVE YOU WITH THIS QUOTE, THE VERA INSTITUTE OF JUSTICE ISSUED A, A LITERATURE REVIEW IN JULY, 2019 OF ALL KINDS OF NINE 11, UM, UH, DATA, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH AND, AND MODELS.

AND WHAT THEY SAID WAS THAT IN ANALYSIS OF CALLS FOR SERVICE PROVIDES A HUGE AND LARGELY UNTAPPED OPPORTUNITY FOR RESEARCHERS AND PRACTITIONERS TO INFORM AND TRANSFORM POLICY AND PRACTICE.

UH, WHAT THIS DOCUMENT REALLY LED ME TO BELIEVE IS THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE DATA CHALLENGES, BECAUSE THESE SYSTEMS WERE DEVELOPED ADMINISTRATIVELY BECAUSE THEY'RE ABOUT 16

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UM, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT WE PUT A Z OR, OR AN X IN FRONT OF A WORD, JUST, IT SCRATCHES MY EYEBALLS.

IT DRIVES ME CRAZY, BUT THAT MIGHT'VE SEEN FINE 16 YEARS AGO.

UM, THERE'S JUST THIS HUGE AREA OF INNOVATION HERE, UM, THAT IS WIDE RANGING IN TERMS OF WHAT DOES THIS DATA MEAN, BUT ALSO WHAT KIND OF DATA SYSTEMS DO WE NEED TO BE BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE? AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS, UH, FOR MYSELF, FOR JONATHAN.

AND I BELIEVE WE ALSO HAVE LIEUTENANT MURPHY, UM, AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL.

THANK YOU, CARRIE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS QUESTIONS WHERE YOU WANT ME TO LEAVE THE SLIDES UP FIRST, IF YOU WANT ME TO PULL ANY SLIDES UP FOR A QUESTION YOU MAY HAVE, OR I CAN TAKE THE SCREEN DOWN.

THAT'S MY KITCHEN.

UM, IT COULD YOU, WELL, FIRST OFF, LET ME JUST, THANK YOU BOTH.

THIS IS IT'S IT'S, IT'S, UM, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT HAVING DATA THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT CAN HELP US, UM, WITH THE RE-IMAGINING THAT WE'RE DOING TO DETERMINE HOW WE CAN BEST ANSWER CALLS.

SO CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, TO THE DASHBOARD YOU'VE CREATED AROUND THE MENTAL HEALTH CALLS NOW? I THINK IT, I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING AND LET ME BACK UP FOR A MINUTE.

THIS DATA'S GOING TO BE MADE AVAILABLE TO US, OR PERHAPS IT'S ALREADY IN OUR INBOXES, RIGHT? IS, UM, YES.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN YOUR INBOXES, BUT IT'S BEEN GIVEN TO KATIE POWERS AND, UM, THE TABLEAU DASHBOARDS ARE LIVE CURRENTLY.

ALL RIGHT.

AND SO THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT ALSO.

SO YES, THIS IS ONE MONTH, RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO YOU WILL BE, SO ONE QUESTION IS YOU'LL BE CONTINUING TO DO THIS FOR ALL THE MONTHS, UH, RIGHT.

IS THAT THE PLAN? OKAY.

IS THERE ANY CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU DREW FROM THIS DATA AT THIS POINT? I UNDERSTAND THE PRESENTATION ON, UM, THE VARIOUS, UH, PARAMETERS AND LIMIT LIMITATIONS THAT YOU JUST SPOKE TO.

BUT IS THERE ANY CONCLUSIONS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THAT YOU THINK WE COULD TAKE FROM THIS PAGE? I WOULD SAY NOT ACTUALLY, UM, OTHER THAN THIS IS A GOOD VIEW INTO THE VERY FIRST MONTH THAT THEY REALLY, UM, HAD A LOT OF IMPLEMENTATION ON THE MENTAL HEALTH FLAG.

UM, I BELIEVE DECEMBER IS WHEN THEY STARTED IMPLEMENTING.

SO THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST FULL MONTH OF IMPLEMENTATION.

IT MIGHT POINT OUT TO US, UH, THE, UM, THE LEVEL OF CALLS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE TO DIVERT.

WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU SAY THAT OR, UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK? YEAH, I MEAN, I W I WOULD SAY THAT, AND, UM, AT YOUR RECOMMENDATION, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH BJ, UM, FROM THE MEADOWS INSTITUTE.

UM, AND SHE HAD INDICATED THAT THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF STUDY IN THE PRO CALLED PROBLEM CATEGORIES AND THEIR CORRELATION.

LIKE SHE HAS A HUNCH BASED ON HER WORK ACROSS THE STATE OF, UM, THE TOP AREAS AND MAYBE SOME, SOME AREAS THAT ARE UNDERESTIMATED OR UNDER LOOKED AT.

UM, BUT I DON'T THINK, I, I THINK THIS WOULD BE THE BEGINNING OF REALLY TAKING A LOOK AT HOW THE INITIAL, UH, PROBLEM CATEGORIES RELATE TO MENTAL HEALTH AND WHAT CHANGES WE MAY BE ADJUSTING TO OVER TIME.

TO TO DETERMINE WHAT THE RESPONSE IS, IS SO NECESSARY TO WHAT THE RESPONSES.

THAT'S GREAT.

I THINK THIS, I THINK HAVING THIS DATA OF RIGHT NOW HELPS US CHART A COURSE FORWARD, BUT IT ALSO, UM, AND, AND CALCIFY REPLANTING PLANNING, AND THANK YOU FOR INITIATING GETTING THIS WORK DONE, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S THE KIND OF THE KIND OF TRACKING AND ANALYSIS WE NEED TO DO TO ACTUALLY, UM, TO ACTUALLY GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO ACHIEVE OUR GOALS.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, REALLY.

THANKS TO THE WHOLE COUNCIL FOR STAFF ARE ALL LEANING IN ON THIS NINE 11 CALL ANALYSIS INVOLVED IN ASKING FOR IT.

UM, I'VE JUST MORE OF A COMMENT.

I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS INFORMATION IS THAT LAST QUOTE REALLY JUST, UH, SUMMARIZED MY THOUGHTS AS WE WERE, UM, GOING THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION.

AND I FEEL LIKE WE HAVEN'T, WE REALLY HAVEN'T DUG IN, UM, TO THIS ENOUGH, AND I'M GLAD WE'RE DOING IT NOW.

THANK YOU FOR STAFF AND, AND, AND OUR CHAIR FOR ALLOWING US TO HAVE THESE IN DEPTH CONVERSATIONS, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, SO MUCH OF WHAT HAPPENS ON A NINE 11 CALL IS BASED ON THE RESPONSE.

AND, AND IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DISCUSSIONS ABOUT MAKING DISPATCH INDEPENDENT, AND IF WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE I FEEL LIKE THE REAL RE-IMAGINING COMES INTO PLAYS.

THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT SPLIT SECOND, WHEN THAT CALL COMES IN AND, AND THE COO, AND WHAT QUESTIONS ARE ASKED

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AND SO, UM, UM, I DID, I REMIND ME, I REMEMBER WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE INITIAL NINE 11 CALL, AND I'M SORRY IF I MISSED THIS IN YOUR PRESENTATION.

IT USED, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE INITIAL CALL IS, DO YOU NEED FIRE POLICE OR EMS? AND DID WE ADD, OR MENTAL HEALTH? IS THAT PART OF IT NOW, FIRE POLICE EMS, OR IS THIS A MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELOR I'M GONNA HAVE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO DEFER TO LIEUTENANT MURPHY ON THAT ONE.

UM, AND I, BEFORE BRINGING HIM ON, I WILL, UM, REMIND EVERYONE THAT FEBRUARY 20, A D AUDITOR REPORT ON NINE 11 OPERATIONS CAME OUT AND IT DOES INCLUDE THAT, THAT MORE HOLISTIC VIEW.

UM, SO MY EARLIER SLIDES REALLY ONLY TRIED TO LINK THE POLICE DATA ELEMENTS, BUT THE, THE LARGER PROCESS FOR NINE 11 OPERATIONS, DO YOU NEED POLICE, FIRE, EMS? UM, THE AUDITOR'S REPORT DOES A GOOD JOB OF, OF THAT OVERVIEW FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO READ UP ON IT.

UM, SO IF LIEUTENANT MURPHY IS ON THE, ON THE CALL, I BELIEVE HE CAN ANSWER ABOUT THE MENTAL HEALTH QUESTION, BRINGING LIEUTENANT MURPHY AND NOW GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? YEP.

SOUND GREAT.

SO MAYOR PRO TEM, WE HAVE NOT INSTITUTED THE FOURTH QUESTION YET INTO THE INITIAL, UM, TRIAGE OF NINE 11 CALLS BECAUSE IN ORDER TO DO SO, WE REALLY NEED A CRISIS COUNSELOR ON SCENE HERE AT THE DISPATCH CENTER, 24 HOURS A DAY, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS SET UP, WE HAVE AUTOMATED GREETINGS, AND WE CANNOT HAVE DUPLICATE GREETINGS OR TWO DIFFERENT GREETINGS BASED ON TIME OF DAY.

WE CAN ONLY HAVE ONE.

SO THE HOPE IS THIS NEXT BUDGET YEAR, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADD, OR HAVE A CRISIS COUNSELOR ON SCENE 24 HOURS A DAY.

SO WE CAN ADD THE MENTAL HEALTH QUESTION OR OPTION TO THE INITIAL TRIAGE.

DID, WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW IF THAT'S IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, THE ADDITIONAL CRISIS COUNSELOR? YES, MA'AM.

IT IS.

UM, AND THE LIEUTENANT, I BELIEVE I, MOST OF MY EXPERIENCE, AND THIS IS FOR THE FIRESIDE AND I BELIEVE IT'S ACTUAL SWORN FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE OUR DISPATCHES AT THE SAME.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE SAME FOR POLICE THOUGH.

ARE THEY, ARE THEY SWORN DISPATCHERS? NO, MA'AM EVERYONE IS CIVILIAN WITH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ME, UM, THEN I MANAGE AND OVERSEE THE DIVISION.

UH, WE HAVE CIVILIAN NINE 11 OPERATORS CALL TAKERS AND CIVILIAN DISPATCHERS, AND THEN OF COURSE, CIVILIAN SUPERVISORS.

AND COULD WE GET, UM, A POSSIBLE, UH, LIKE SYNOPSIS OF NOT, NOT NOW, BUT CAN YOU SEND COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHAT KIND OF TRAINING THOSE, UM, THOSE, UH, CALL TAKERS GET, YES, MA'AM WE HAVE, WE HAVE DIFFERENT TRAINING AND I WON'T GO INTO THE DETAILS, BUT I WILL SEND IT TO YOU, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A SPECIFIED TRAINING PATH FOR NINE 11 OPERATORS AND THEN A DIFFERENT TRAINING PATH FOR DISPATCHERS BECAUSE THEIR DIFFERENT JOB FUNCTIONS EQUALLY AS HARD.

YEP.

AND THEN LAST QUESTION DOES, IS EMS MOURN CALL TAKERS? ARE THEY CIVILIAN EMS THERE? THEY'RE ALL SWORN JUST LIKE, YES MA'AM.

IN THE PAST, AND I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL OR, OR DISPARAGING.

I WOULD BE INTERESTED ALSO IN, IN WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT THE FIRST QUESTION TO BE THAT QUESTION BY, BY CHANCE AND ANECDOTE.

I HAD A CONSTITUENT EMAILED ME THIS WEEK SAYING THAT HER HOUSE WAS STRUCK BY LIGHTNING AND SHE WAS SO GLAD THAT APD SHOWED UP TO MAKE HER FEEL BETTER.

BUT IT SEEMS IF THERE'S A LIGHTNING STRIKE, YOU SEND A FIRETRUCK BECAUSE THE DANGER SEEMS TO BE INTO IN THE STRUCTURE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF DISPATCH QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT RESOURCES WERE WE'RE SENDING TO WHAT AREAS I'M GOING TO TAKE THE SLIDES DOWN FOR A MOMENT, COUNCIL MEMBER POOL.

AND OF COURSE MY APPRECIATION TO, UM, CARRIE AND HER STAFF AND JONATHAN, IT'S NICE TO MEET YOU.

UM, REALLY GOOD WORK.

I APPRECIATE DIGGING INTO THE DATA AND, AND FOR ME, IT'S KIND OF A REALIZATION.

THIS OVERALL PRESENTATION IS KIND OF A REALIZATION THAT WE'VE BEEN MAKING.

THE CITY HAS BEEN MAKING DECISIONS, AND WE'VE ALL BEEN CRAFTING OUR ASSUMPTIONS, UM, ABOUT CRIME, UM, ON THE DATA THAT YOU HEAR ARE SHOWING HAS HOLES IN IT AND IT'S INCOMPLETE.

AND, UM, AND IN SOME WAYS, POTENTIALLY UNRELIABLE

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I'M JUST TRYING TO CAPTURE THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED HERE.

UM, YOU KNOW WHAT I HOPE IT'S AN HONEST WAY.

SO I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE WITH THE DATA THAT YOU STARTED COLLECTING IN THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY, THAT WE HAVE PROGRESSED BY LIGHT YEARS, UH, BOTH IN OUR SYSTEMS AND IN THE DATA AND HOW WE ARE CATEGORIZING IT, UM, FROM THE EARLY DATA COLLECTION.

SO I'M REALLY OPTIMISTIC THAT OUR UNDERSTANDING OF CRIME IN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, WILL BE MORE ACCURATE AND MORE ROBUST AND WILL BE FRANKLY MORE HELPFUL TO US AS POLICY MAKERS AND FUTURE COUNCILS AS TO POLICY MAKERS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY ADDRESSING, UM, THE LEVEL OF CRIME THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MEASURE.

WOULD YOU, AM I RIGHT IN THAT ASSUMPTION? AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ON THE ROAD TO BETTER MEASURING AND, UH, ACCUMULATING AND INTERPRETING OUR DATA WITH THE NEW SYSTEM.

I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, WE, WE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS IN OUR ANALYSIS AND OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE DATA.

I THINK JONATHAN COMING ON BOARD, UM, AND OUR DATA SCIENTISTS PROCHER COMING ON BOARD, UH, CAPABILITIES THAT WERE SORELY NEEDED.

UM, HOWEVER, OUR SYSTEMS STILL ARE 16 YEARS OLD.

UM, THE CAD SYSTEM, THE COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH SYSTEM I'M LED TO UNDERSTAND WAS ORIGINALLY AN EMS SYSTEM.

UM, AND SO CERTAIN CATEGORY CHANGES.

UM, THEY CANNOT MAKE BECAUSE THE SYSTEM DOESN'T OPERATE THAT WAY.

UM, SO I THINK THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A, OF A SHIFT, BUT WE'RE DESPERATELY GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT TECHNOLOGY, UM, AND TO GET IT TO WHERE IT, IT OUGHT TO BE.

UM, I MEAN, A LOT HAS CHANGED IN TECHNOLOGY IN 16 YEARS AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE WHOLE PUBLIC SAFETY ARENA, UH, BASED ON MY CONVERSATIONS DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WITH A LOT OF OFFICIALS, UM, BACK WHEN I WAS IN THE FEDERAL SECTOR, UM, LARGELY UNTOUCHED BY THE MODERN DESIGN MOVEMENTS, RIGHT, WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT OF USER CENTERED DESIGN USER EXPERIENCE DESIGN ON THE INTERFACES.

UM, YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF CONTENT STRATEGY CATEGORIZATIONS, UM, AND THE DISPATCHERS WOULD HAVE A MUCH MORE SEAMLESS ABILITY TO NAVIGATE INSTEAD OF PUTTING AN X OR A Z IN FRONT OF A PROBLEM CODE IN ORDER TO GET THEIR SCREENINGS AND RENDER THE WAY THEY NEED THEM TO.

SO I THINK THAT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF CLUNKY THINGS GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND.

UM, I OFTEN SAY THAT PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT HAVE TO RUN A MARATHON AND SKI BOOTS AND WE DO IT GLADLY.

UM, BUT AS THE YEARS MOVE ON, WE REALLY DO NEED BETTER TECHNOLOGY TOOLS AT OUR DISPOSAL TO MEET THE NEEDS, UM, THAT YOU ALL SET BEFORE US.

I THINK THAT'S TRUE.

AND I THINK THAT THIS DIET IS WELL POSITIONED TO PUSH THAT PUSH VERY HARD ON THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC.

I THINK JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY IS INTERESTED IN, UM, THE ARRAY OF COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

AND, UH, I, I JUST, I JUST THINK THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY AND WE CAN REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND ACTUALLY SEE IT.

UM, AND THEN JUST THE SECOND THING I'D LIKE TO, UM, OFFER, AND THEN I'LL, I'LL BE DONE, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE GENTRIFYING AREAS, THAT ONE SLIDE TOWARD THE END OF YOUR PRESENTATION.

I WOULD BE INTERESTED AT SOME POINT WHEN WE GET THE DATA BETTER ORGANIZED AND IT'S, IT'S MORE ROBUST AND ACCURATE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE WHETHER AND HOW CRIME MAY CHANGE IN AREAS THAT ARE GENTRIFYING.

HOW DOES IT SHIFT ARE THE NEEDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIFFERENT BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER, AND HOW CAN THIS BE PROACTIVELY POSITION ITSELF TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND IN THOSE? UM, CAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE YOUTUBE TOOL THAT THE TOOL THAT UT GAVE US TO MEASURE WHERE GENTRIFICATION IS AND HOW FAR ALONG THE SPECTRUM IT IS.

MAYBE WE COULD MATCH UP, UH, COMMUNITY, UH, INVOLVEMENT ON THE GROUND WITH THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, BE THEY BUSINESS, RESIDENTIAL, WHATEVER, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE OUR FINGER CLOSER ON THE PULSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON A PARTICULAR STREET, IN A PARTICULAR PART OF THE CITY.

SO I SEE ALL OF THIS HAS A REALLY GREAT RUNWAY FOR US TO MAKE A LOT OF REALLY NICE POSITIVE CHANGE.

THANKS SO MUCH JUST AS A TIME FACTOR, EVERYBODY IT'D BE GREAT TO GET THE ED'S PRESENTATION, THE BUDGET.

UM, SO WE'LL TAKE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS, BUT, BUT TRY TO MAKE THEM AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.

AND I WANT TO GIVE COMMITTEE MEMBERS A CHANCE CAUSE THE ROBERT MADISON OR COSAR DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING AT THIS POINT, GREG? UM, I'M LOOKING AT THIS SPREADSHEET HERE, BUT WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET THE NUMBER, RIGHT.

UM, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE, A LOT BURGLAR ALARM CALLS WERE FALSE ALARMS VERSUS NOT FALSE ALERTS

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HERE? I THINK YOU'RE ON MUTE.

SORRY.

I'M HAVING TO PULL UP THE DASHBOARD WHILE YOU'RE AT IT.

IS THERE ANY WAY FOR US TO KNOW RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL? I'M NOT TRYING TO OH YEAH.

UM, THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP, UM, THAT ISN'T GOING TO HAVE TO BE CORRELATED TO A DIFFERENT DATABASE.

SO, UM, IT'S, I UNDERSTAND IT'S RELATED TO A PERMITS DATABASE.

SO AS PART OF THE LOCATION ANALYSIS THAT WE'LL BE DOING NEXT, UM, WE'LL BE CLEANING UP THOSE LOCATION, UH, DATA ELEMENTS, AND THEN WE'LL BE ASKING TO PULL THE PERMIT DATA, UM, SO THAT WE CAN, WE CAN CROSS REFERENCE BETWEEN ANOTHER DATABASE TO GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.

UM, PERCENTAGE WISE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE PERCENTAGE EACH HERE WE HAVE COUNTS.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TRANSFORM, UM, OR, OR TO PUT IN AN ELEMENT COUNSELING? I'VE GOT A CALCULATOR ON MY PHONE.

OH, GREAT.

CAUSE NOT THE MAGIC'S, UM, OF CALLS BY DISPOSITION.

UH, THE FALSE ALARM IS 2091 FOR THE MONTH OF JANUARY, 2020, AND THEN THE VERIFIED, THE ONES THAT IT WAS INDEED A BURGLARY, UM, REPORT WRITTEN IS ONE 30 AND REPORT WRITTEN, MEANING THAT IT WAS A BURGLARY OR SOME PORTION OF THOSE MAY HAVE ALSO THE DEFINITION OF REPORT WRITTEN, UH, MEANS THAT THERE WAS SOME LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTION THAT HAD TO BE, UH, ACCOUNTED FOR.

SO IT'S 2091 PLUS ONE 30 IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CALLS.

SO ABOUT 22, 20 AND 22 MINUTES.

AND THEN I WOULD SAY THAT THERE WERE 38 UNABLE TO LOCATE.

SO PERHAPS THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE THAT THEY WERE UNABLE TO LOCATE, BUT OVERALL IT SOUNDS LIKE ABOUT 94, 95% FALSE ALARM.

THAT'S HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND.

I THINK, I REALLY THINK KNOWING WHAT THE BREAKDOWN IS ON COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE USEFUL AS WELL, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO BE ESPECIALLY SENSITIVE IF SOMEONE'S HAVING THEIR HOUSE BROKEN INTO, UM, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WITH 95 THOUSANDS OF CALLS AND 95% OF THEM BEING FALSE ALARMS, THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, EVEN IF WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE ANSWER IS RIGHT NOW.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

ABSOLUTELY.

CAUSE HOPPER, MADISON, AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER AFTER THAT, THANK YOU CHAIR.

AND THANK YOU, EVERYBODY FOR THIS PRESENTATION HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL.

I AM, UH, LIKE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER POOL, VERY CURIOUS ABOUT SOME OF THE GENTRIFICATION SPECIFIC DATA.

UM, I HAD A MENTOR TELL ME ONE TIME, YOU KNOW, WHEN I ASKED HOW TO USE SLOW GENTRIFICATION AND HE SAID YOU KEEP CRIME HIGH.

AND SO I THINK WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS HOW, WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGES, OFTENTIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS, UM, THERE'S SUDDENLY A LOT OF ATTENTION BEING PAID TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, AND A LOT OF THAT ATTENTION IS VERY NEGATIVE BY WAY OF INTRODUCING LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SO SOME OF THE INTERIM, UH, INFORMATION THAT I'M INTERESTED IN BEING ABLE TO ANALYZE IS, YOU KNOW, I GO TO A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS AND A LOT OF WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IS PERTAINS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT IS THE INCREASE IN CALLS.

UM, UH, FOR ADDRESSING ISSUES THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE, IS SORT OF A PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CULTURE, UM, UH, ADDRESSING ISSUES THAT ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PEOPLE WHO MOVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN CRIMINALIZE THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE STRUGGLE WITH AND VARIOUS PARTS OF DISTRICT.

ONE IS PEOPLE MAKING FALSE REPORTS WHO CALL AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY MAKE THE REPORT TO DISPATCH, THEY SAY PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING OR THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER THING.

AND THEN WHEN LAW ENFORCEMENT ARRIVES, THOSE THINGS AREN'T HAPPENING AT ALL.

IT'S PEOPLE WHO ARE SORT OF HYPER SENSITIVE TO, UM, TO THEIR ORIGINAL NEIGHBORS.

UM, AND THEY WANT THEM TO NOT EXIST AND, OR BOTHER THEM WITH THEIR SOUNDS OR THEIR PRESENCE.

AND SO I'M CURIOUS TO GET THAT DATA AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT, UM, HOW MANY OF THOSE CALLS RESULT IN, ESPECIALLY THE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF RAPIDLY GENTRIFYING AREAS.

HOW MANY OF THOSE CALLS RESULT IN NO ACTION WHATSOEVER? HOW MANY OF THOSE CALLS RESULT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT ARRIVING AND SAYING THAT THIS WAS NOT A LAW ENFORCEMENT CALL, THIS WAS AN INAPPROPRIATE CALL.

THIS WAS A FALSE CALL.

THIS WAS A, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE FIRST TO START DIGGING INTO IS HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR MAKING FALSE REPORTS AND CALLING LAW ENFORCEMENT AND INTRODUCING INVOLVING LAW ENFORCEMENT UNNECESSARILY.

CAUSE YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH REFORM AS TO DO WITH INTRODUCING LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO SITUATIONS THAT THEY DIDN'T NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN.

AND I THINK THERE'S SOME DEGREE OF ACCOUNTABILITY, UM, THAT SHOULD BE HELD BY WAY OF THE PERSON WHO

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PICKS UP THAT PHONE AND DIALS NINE 11.

SO I'D LIKE TO BREAK THAT DATA DOWN IN THAT WAY.

NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE APPROACH WOULD BE TOTALLY OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT HOW TO BEST ANALYZE THOSE CONCERNS.

SO I EXPRESSED THE CONCERNS JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHAT IT IS THAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

UNDERSTOOD.

I'VE TAKEN NOTES CAUSE REMEMBER ALTAR, THANK YOU.

UM, WE SUBMITTED SOME BUDGET QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE FALSE ALARMS, BUT I'M WONDERING IF YOU'RE ABLE TO TELL, UM, FROM THE DATA REPEAT FALSE ALARMS. SO IT SEEMS LIKE YOU MAY HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, FIVE TO 10 CALLS IN A YEAR FROM ONE HOUSE OR ONE BUSINESS.

UM, AND THAT MAY, UM, BE A DIFFERENT SITUATION IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING IT.

UM, BUT DO WE HAVE THAT LEVEL OF DATA? UM, THAT WILL BE A PART OF THE LOCATION BASED DATA THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO DO NEXT.

UM, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND KIND OF CLEAN UP AND UNDERSTAND ALL THE VARIATIONS ON THE GEOLOCATION DATA.

AND THEN WE CAN START TO CONDUCT THAT ANALYSIS.

CAUSE I BET IF WE LOOKED AT IT CAREFULLY, WE'RE LIKELY TO FIND A LOT OF, UM, REPEAT OFFENDERS IS NOT THE RIGHT TERM, BUT REPEAT FALSE ALARMS THAT MAY BE TAKING A LOT OF RESOURCES.

UM, IT MAY BE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, CHECK IN AND, AND CONNECTION WITH THAT ALARM COMPANY.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF FALSE ALARMS THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE CERTAIN STEPS OR, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT WE'RE STILL LEGALLY ABLE TO DO THAT COULD CUT DOWN ON THE, JUST NUMBERS OF CALLS IF WE HAVE THAT BETTER, BETTER DATA.

UM, SO MY SECOND QUESTION IS THAT IN THE REIMAGINING PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, SHEET THAT THE CITY MANAGER GAVE US ABOUT, UM, HIS PLAN FOR REALLOCATING, THE $11.3 MILLION, UM, IN FUNDING TO ALTERNATIVE PUBLIC SAFETY STRATEGIES, THERE'S A PIECE IN THERE THAT'S A $2.3 MILLION REALLOCATION WITHIN THE APD BUDGET TO REPLACE THE DEPARTMENT'S 15 YEAR OLD RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WHICH WILL ALLOW FOR MORE EFFICIENT RECORDS KEEPING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS CARRIER SO LIEUTENANT OR SOMEBODY ELSE NEEDS TO ANSWER IT, BUT HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED HERE FOR BEING ABLE TO MINE THE DATA? IS THIS PART OF THAT PROBLEM? WOULD THIS BE PART OF THE SOLUTION? CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT 2.3 MILLION IS FUNDING IT, HOW IT RELATES TO THAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR DATA MINING THAT YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, I'M PULLING IN, UH, ASSISTANT DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, UH, TO IF THEY WANTED TO ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT.

I WASN'T SURE WHO TO ASK THE QUESTION, BUT YOU THINK IT'S IMPORTANT? CHEER FINE AGAIN, COUNCIL, MY MAYOR PART TIME, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, RAY ARIANO ASSISTANT CITY, THE SAFETY I'VE COME.

I DON'T HAVE THE TECHNICAL BACKGROUND OR SPECIFICS, BUT I WOULD SAY GENERALLY, YES.

UM, WE ARE OPERATING IS I THINK WAS BRIEFED IN A PREVIOUS SESSION THAT THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS, UM, IS OLD.

UH, AND I THINK IT IS CARRIE O'CONNOR HAD CHARACTERIZED.

PART OF IT HAD BEEN BUILT AROUND A DIFFERENT OR A SPECIFIC SYSTEM WITH REGARDS TO EMS. AND SO LOOKING FORWARD FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE OUR SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN CAPTURE THE INFORMATION, UH, THAT CAN BE VERY HELPFUL IN DETERMINING HOW WE MIGHT BE IMAGINING, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, EITHER, UM, LIEUTENANT MURPHY OR PERHAPS, UM, UH, CHIEF OF STAFF BY TROY GAY, WHO I THINK IS ALREADY ALSO IN THE ATTENDEES.

UM, SECTION CAN MORE SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS, WHAT ARE THE PARTICULAR FEATURES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT WOULD BE INCLUSIVE IN A NEW RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

CHIEF GUY HAS NOT SIGNED IN, BUT OFFICER MERCY MURPHY, GO AHEAD.

IF YOU'VE GOT SOME OF AD COUNCIL MEMBER, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.

TO UNDERSTAND THOUGH, IS WHAT, WHAT ARE WE FUNDING IF WE PROCEED WITH A 2.3 MILLION, UM, GENERALLY I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT'S FUNDING, BUT THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, HOW DOES IT, YOU KNOW, IS IT, IS IT JUST THE RMS SIDE OF THAT? IS IT THE INTEGRATION? IS IT THE WHOLE KIT AND CABOODLE FOR NINE ONE, ONE AND SOMETHING ELSE? WHAT IS, WHAT IS THAT? WHAT DOES THAT FUNDING AND WHAT, YEAH.

UM, YES MA'AM.

SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE DISPARATE SYSTEMS. WE HAVE A, AN RMS SYSTEM AND WE HAVE A CAD SYSTEM AND THEY DO NOT COMMUNICATE WITH ONE ANOTHER.

HOWEVER, THEY'RE LINKED BY THE MASTER INCIDENT NUMBER.

SO WHEN WE HAVE A CALL FOR SERVICE, COME IN, IT'S ASSIGNED TO MASTER INCIDENT NUMBER.

THEN WHEN AN OFFICER WRITES A REPORT IN OUR RMS SYSTEM, AGAIN, SEPARATE SYSTEMS THEY'RE LINKED BY THE, BY THE INCIDENT NUMBER.

HOWEVER, WHAT WOULD BE HIGHLY BENEFICIAL WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DATA AND DATA MINING IS TO HAVE AN INTEGRATED RMS AND CAD SYSTEM.

SO THEY SPEAK TO ONE ANOTHER AND THERE'S A CONTINUAL FLOW OF DATA NOT BROKEN UP BY TWO SYSTEMS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UM, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE AS A GOAL WHEN I'M TRYING

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MA'AM AND I DO NOT HAVE PARTICULARS ON THE RMS. I'M NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION SINCE I DEAL MOSTLY WITH THE CAD SYSTEM.

UM, HOWEVER, UH, AGAIN, I, I WOULD HOPE, UM, AS, AS WE'RE MOVING THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE, WE WOULD LOOK AT IMS SYSTEM.

WE CAN INTEGRATE WITH OUR CAD SYSTEM.

SO WE HAVE THE DATA FLOW WE NEED, UM, WITHOUT THE SEPARATION.

SO WHEN, WHEN QUESTIONS ARE ASKED ABOUT, UM, HOW DO CAD CALLS RELATE TO UCR AND FINAL AND FINAL REPORTS? WE HAVE ONE SYSTEM TO GO TO INSTEAD OF PULLING THE DATA FROM TWO SYSTEMS AND TRIED IT AND TRYING TO CORRELATE THE DATA AND HOPE BY LOGGING IN.

WE CAN CERTAINLY RESPOND CALL DETAIL, QUESTION NOREEN AND JUST AD I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD, THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER FLANAGAN, AND HELLO TO THE COUNCIL.

I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD THAT IN SPEAKING TO, UM, CTM DIRECTOR, STEVEN ELKINS EARLIER AS THE BUDGET PROCESS WAS GOING ON, IT REALLY IS INDEED TO, UM, SORT OF REPLACE THE LEGACY SYSTEM THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE.

IT IS MANAGED BY CTM, UH, AND ACCORDING TO, UH, CTM, IT WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE TO SHARE DATA WITH OTHER AGENCIES TO INTEGRATE A BI TOOL IN IT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IT DOES NOT HAVE A BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE TOOL.

UM, TODAY THEY USE A THIRD PARTY BUSINESS INTELLIGENT TOOL.

IT'LL BE ABLE TO INTEGRATE INTO THIRD PARTY SYSTEMS LIKE CAD AND HAVE THOSE BETTER WORKFLOWS, BUT IN, WE CAN CERTAINLY SHARE WITH YOU SOME ADDITIONAL BULLETS, BUT IT IS INTENDED PRECISELY TO, UM, NOT ONLY, UH, BETTER COMMUNICATE BETWEEN OUR SYSTEMS, BUT FRANKLY, THE BELIEF IS THAT IT'LL HELP US CONTINUE TO BRING OUT THE KIND OF ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR RIGHT NOW, UH, IN THE NINE 11 DATA.

AND DO THAT IN HOUSE.

JONATHAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD EVEN UN-MUTED A FEW TIMES AND I KEEP GIVING YOU, OH, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

I, YEAH, THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANTED TO ADD TO IT IS THAT THE MAIN BENEFIT OF LOOKING AT SYSTEMS AND ONLY THINK ABOUT REINVISIONING POLICING, YOU MIGHT THINK CALL SO ABOUT REINVISIONING THE WAY POLICE DEPARTMENTS USE DATA, RIGHT? AND SO GOING TO A NEW RMS SYSTEM ADDS THIS FLEXIBILITY AND THAT THE TYPE OF WORK THAT WE DID AND SHOWED YOU TODAY, UH, IS VERY LABOR INTENSIVE, RIGHT? IT INVOLVES A NUMBER OF STEPS, A NUMBER OF EXPERTS AND IT'S ERROR PRONE.

SO FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE DATA, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE FINDINGS ARE ACTUALLY, UM, ARE ACTUALLY VALID.

UH, BUT AS WE SHARE DATA WITH OTHER PLACES, IT'S, IT'S HARDER TO ACTUALLY GUARANTEE THAT WHAT THEY'RE GENERATING IS SELL.

SO A MORE FLEXIBLE RMS SYSTEM THAT CAN TIE INTO A TOOL LIKE POWER BI OR WHAT NOT PROVIDES THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE THESE TYPES OF PRODUCTS MUCH MORE QUICKLY IN AN OPEN SOURCE FRAMEWORK.

UM, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REALLY BIG ADVANTAGES THAT WE WOULD SEE IN THE TRANSITION.

SO, UM, IF MS, IF CHIEF GAY IS NOT ON, I'M SORRY, ON A, COULD YOU GET US A BUDGET QUESTION, ANSWER THAT GIVES US THE DETAILS FOR THAT SYSTEM AND THE BENEFITS OF THAT SYSTEM, AND THEN HOW IT WOULD FACILITATE, UM, DATA ANALYSIS THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL FOR RE-IMAGINING PUBLIC SAFETY? UM, BECAUSE I THINK THIS, THE DIOCESE REALLY WANTS US TO BE DATA DRIVEN AND, UM, I THINK ALL OF US BELIEVE THAT IF WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE GROUND, WE'LL BE IN A BETTER POSITION TO FIND NEW WAYS TO SEND THE RIGHT TOOLS TO THE RIGHT PROBLEM, UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE SPENDING THEIR TIME, UM, WHERE WE BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE SPENDING THEIR TIME, NOT JUST WHERE THEY'RE DRIVEN TO, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE DRIVEN TO.

UM, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT BEFORE WE MAKE ANY DECISIONS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ABOUT THAT SYSTEM, UM, AND ITS VALUE.

UM, THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW THE TIMETABLE FOR THAT.

UM, THERE'S ANOTHER PIECE IN OUR BUDGET, WHICH RELATES TO, UM, THE HR SYSTEMS WHERE, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING ELECTRONIC TIME SHEETS A WHOLE LOT LONGER AGO, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE WHILE AGO, AND THOSE ARE STILL NOT FULLY OPERATIONAL.

AND, UM, SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPEED WITH WHICH WE'RE ABLE TO MANAGE, UM, THESE PROGRAMS, UM, AS WELL.

SO IF YOU CAN GIVE US A TIMETABLE FOR ITS IMPLEMENTATION AS WELL, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

AND JONATHAN, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ED, UH, DO HIS PRESENTATION, UH, BEFORE WE TAKE A LUNCH BREAK.

YOU CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

I WANT TO, UM, I'LL, I'LL RECOGNIZE, CAUSE REMEMBER KITCHEN.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WRAP UP OUR NINE ONE, ONE QUESTIONS FOR CARRIE

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SURE.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, WANTED TO ADD, YOU KNOW, RE-IMAGINING POLICING IS, IS ABOUT, UH, CONNECTING THE RIGHT PERSON TO THE JOB.

UM, AND SO, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

DATA IS ESSENTIAL TO THAT.

SO MY ASK IS, AND, UM, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS MORE OFFLINE IS, UM, I THINK THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE EQUITY OFFICE AND THE INNOVATION OFFICE INVOLVED IN THE CREATION OF THE SPECIFICATIONS OR THE NEW SYSTEM.

UM, THE KINDS OF THINGS WE'RE ASKING ABOUT IS ALL ABOUT THE SPECIFICATIONS, WHICH SPECIFICATIONS IS JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR WHAT DO WE WANT THE SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO TELL US? UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS THE PROTECTIONS FOR PRIVACY.

THERE ARE CONCERNS IN OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT DATA SHARING WITH ICE AND OTHER AGENCIES.

AND SO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS HELPING US WITH DATA FOR RE-IMAGINING, UH, BUT WITH THE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE.

AND SO I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER PLANNING, AND YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AND SOME OVER ALTAR.

I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR QUESTIONS.

THIS IS, UM, THIS IS A HUGE PART OF OUR OPPORTUNITY TO REIMAGINE.

WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WE'RE DOING IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UM, COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING, UH, WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM IT AND HOW WE'RE PROTECTING AGAINST THE CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE HAVE.

THERE'S PROBABLY SOME GOOD WORK TO BE DONE BY AUDIT AND FINANCE ON SOME OF THESE DATA SYSTEMS TO HAVE THE AUDIT FINANCE COMMITTEE CUSTOMER OFFERS WITH SOMETHING WE CONSIDER THEIR CHIEF GAS, YOU'VE JOINED THE MEETING.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD BEFORE WE TRANSITION TO ANY NEWS BUDGET PRESENTATION? UH, NO, SIR.

I THOUGHT THE, UH, THAT THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER AND JONATHAN SORT OF CLEARED IT UP BY, UH, THE BUDGET PROPOSAL IS FOR JUST THE RMS SYSTEM, BUT, UH, BECAUSE IT WILL BE A MORE ROBUST SYSTEM.

IT DOES GIVE US THE FLEXIBILITY TO INTEGRATE WITH NOT ONLY THE CURRENT, UH, CAD SYSTEM, BUT HOPEFULLY INTEGRATE WITH POTENTIALLY FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES WITH OTHER, UH, CAD OF VENDORS.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF.

UM, I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON.

I'M GOING TO BRING ED INTO THE MEETING.

UM, THANK YOU, CARRIE.

THANK YOU, JONATHAN, FOR, FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND YOUR CONTINUED WORK ON THE DATA ANALYSIS SIDE.

ED, DO YOU NEED ME TO BRING THE OTHERS INTO THE MEETING FOR YOU? UM, NO FROM BUDDY THAT'S JUST MYSELF.

UM, AND, UM, , I'LL BRING YOUR PRESENTATION UP AND THEN YOU CAN DIG INTO IT.

[3. Discussion of the City's public safety budget.]

GOOD MORNING.

ALL THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THE CALL.

UM, I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF, BUT I WAS ASKED TO KIND OF DO LIKE A PRESENTATION TO SUMMARIZE AND SET THE STAGE BASED UPON SOME OF THE PROPOSALS THAT WE HAD SEEN SO FAR FROM THE MESSAGE BOARD.

AND I CATEGORIZE THEM HERE INITIALLY, UM, AROUND THINGS THAT, IN MY PERSPECTIVE, AND I DO WANT TO SAY, THIS IS MY PERSPECTIVE.

I'VE NOT HAD TIME TO REALLY WORK CLOSELY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON IT, BUT, UM, THE THING FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THAT COULD BE DONE IN THE SHORT TERM, THINGS THAT SEEM MORE OF A MEDIUM TERM PROPOSAL, AND THEN THINGS THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE SEEMED LIKE THEY MIGHT BE LONGER TERM PROPOSALS.

AND SO LET ME JUST GET RIGHT INTO THAT.

WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE COUNCIL MEMBER, I'M GOING TO START OFF WITH THESE SHORT TERM IDEAS.

YOU GET PROPOSAL THAT WE COULD FEASIBLY STILL GET DONE.

AND PART OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2021 BUDGET, AND THAT WOULD RESULT IN SAVINGS.

IT COULD BE REALLOCATED TO OTHER INDIVIDUALS.

UM, THIS FIRST PAGE HAS TO DO WITH A PROPOSAL, THE DELAY AND VISUAL CONNECT CLASSES AND FURTHER REDUCING UNFILLED VACANCIES.

SO I WILL JUST MAKE A STEP BACK AND SAY, BASED UPON THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED ON 11 STAFF HAS DELAYED THE DELIGHT CADET ACADEMY ACADEMY THAT BOY YOU COULD GET STARTED LAST MONTH.

UM, AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, LOOKING AT OUR PROJECTIONS, WE ARE PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE 70 VACANT POSITION FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

CURRENTLY, SOME OF THE PROPOSALS WE'VE SEEN, UM, UM, VERY FROM THE LANE, ONE MORE OF A CONNECT CLASSES TO ALL THREE OF THE CADET CLASSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021.

AND YOU CAN SEE ON THIS BIRD BLUE BULLET WILL THE CLASSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY PLANNED AND BUDGETED FOR OUR NOVEMBER CLASS, A MARCH, 2021 CLASS AND A JUNE, 2021 CLASS.

THESE CLASSES TYPICALLY START WITH EATING CADETS AND THEY HAVE ABOUT A NIGHT.

FOR EXAMPLE, BRIDGING RATE, WE GET SOME STEW ON AVERAGE, ABOUT A 65

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TODAY, GRADUATION CLASS, A PROCESS $2.3 MILLION BEFORE WE FUND ONE, BUT WILL THEY PAY FOR ONE OF THOSE CONNECT CLASSES? THAT'S PRIMARILY A SALARY TO GO TO THE CADETS WHILE THEY'RE IN THE TRAINING.

UM, AND IF WE WERE TO ELIMINATE THREE, YOU'LL SEE MORE ON THIS LATER, YOUR ELIMINATE ALL THREE CLASSES NEXT YEAR, IT'D BE $5.1 MILLION BILL SAVINGS.

IT'S NOT EXACTLY LINEAR BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE CLASSES, UM, SPILL OVER INTO THIS NEW YEAR, ONE WEEK, ONE PERIOD.

UM, DEPENDING UPON WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE CADET CLASSES THAT REALLY DRIVES THE NUMBER OF VACANCIES THAT WE WILL HAVE, UM, IN THE CITY BUTTON THAT WE ARE PROJECTING RIGHT NOW THAT THEY'VE GONE FOR A VACANCY FRIENDS AND THE REDUCTIONS THAT WE'VE INCLUDED IN FISCAL YEAR 2021 BUDGET, THAT WE'RE GOING TO START FYI 2021 WITH ABOUT 80 VACANCIES.

UM, WHETHER BABY VACANCIES ARE BUDGETED AT $9.4 MILLION AND THAT THEY WILL BE BUILT, UM, OVER THE COURSE OF TIME AND AS A RESULT OF RUNNING THAT CLASS AND THAT KIND OF IT'S AS LOOKING AT, HEY, WHAT ARE THE VACANT POSITIONS THAT WE COULD FURTHER CUT? 80 WOULD BE AT THE HIGH END OF IT, BECAUSE ANY MORE THAN THAT, WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE CURRENTLY HIGHER THAN WE HAVE POSITIONS TO PUT THEM IN.

UM, VACANCY SAVINGS IS AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION HERE, CAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE ALL HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THAT BEFORE, BUT THEY CAN SEE SAVINGS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ACTUALLY PUT INTO DEPARTMENT BUDGET AS A NEGATIVE DOLLAR AMOUNT.

SO IN THAT POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE THEIR SWORN CONDITION, WE HAVE BUDGETED A NEGATIVE $0.2 MILLION, WHICH IS A REFLECTION OF OUR ESTIMATES FOR HOW MANY OF THE POSITIONS THAT THEY WILL HAVE VACANT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE YEARS AND NEW PEOPLE TO KEEP IN MIND, AS WE TALK ABOUT REMOVING VACANCIES AND LOWERING THE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL, BUT I DID WELL THAT HAS TO BE OFFSET TO SOME DEGREE BY, UM, ALSO LOWERING THAT NEGATIVE DOLLAR AMOUNT WOULD BE ADDING MONEY BACK TO THE DEPARTMENT.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE'VE ALREADY ENCOUNTERED FOUR MONTHS OF THE SAVINGS THAT WILL OCCUR THROUGHOUT THE YEAR FROM THE VACANCIES AND WWE NETWORK IS KIND OF GETS A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED.

I HAVE MORE ON THIS LATER.

AND SO I WANT TO MOVE ON FOR THE TIME BEING THOUGH, UM, SOME OTHER SHORT TERM PROPOSALS WE HEARD ABOUT WERE REDUCING THE OVERTIME BY 21 AND BUDGETED AT $12.9 MILLION, UM, THAT OVERTIME AND USED FOR A WHOLE VARIETY OF THINGS I'VE PUT INTO BOWLING AND ALEX, THE AREAS THAT TO ME, UM, UM, NOT THAT THEY COULDN'T NOT THAT IF THEY WERE TO BE REDUCED, THERE WOULD BE CONSEQUENCES TO THOSE THINGS AND THEY COULD SPEAK TO THAT.

AND WE HEARD SOME OF THAT AND SEE MANLY THE OTHER DAY.

UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE AREAS WHERE I THINK IF YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT REDUCING OVERTIME, THAT PERHAPS WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE, UM, OVERTIME FOR A HOLD OVER CALL WHERE, UH, WHERE AN OFFICE AREA NEEDS TO STAY ON THEIR SHIT LONGER BECAUSE THEY ARE CALLED RUNNING PAST THE END OF THEIR SHIFT.

WELL, THEY NEED TO BE PAID FOR THAT COURT TIME IS IN THEIR CONTRACT.

WHEN THEY HAVE TO GO INTO COURT TO TESTIFY, THEY NEED TO BE PAID FOR THAT ALL THAT TIME.

REIMBURSED OVERTIME.

DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO CUT THEM.

YOU'RE JUST CUTTING THE REIMBURSEMENT AS WELL.

SO AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF A FOCUS IN ON THE, UM, THE BULLET, HOW DECIDE AREAS.

IF THERE WOULDN'T BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT OVERTIME, I THINK IT PROBABLY SHOULD FOCUS ON THOSE AREAS AND WE'RE REALLY PEOPLE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT HELPED INFORM ME ABOUT WHAT WOULD CONSEQUENCES BE OF REDUCING CRIME AND MULBERRY.

I JUST PUT A NOTE AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT CONTROL BACK BELOW THREE ARE AVERAGES HAVE BEEN $5.1 MILLION.

UM, BUT CURRENTLY WITH THEIR HIGH NUMBER OF VACANCIES, THEY HAVE, UM, THEY, THEY HAVE BEEN LOSING MORE THAN $5.1 MILLION, CERTAINLY ENOUGH WHITE ONE, ONE, OR WE WOULD EXPECT THEM TO UTILIZE MORE OF THE 5.1 MILLION, WHAT WE BROUGHT BACK, GIVEN THEIR CURRENT CLIENT NUMBER AND BABY, HEY ED, WILL YOU TRY TO LEAN INTO YOUR MIC? IT'S GETTING A LITTLE MUFFLED AND YEAH, THIS NEXT SLIDE, SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, SHORT TERM IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT ARE JUST ELIMINATING CERTAIN UNITS.

UM, BUT AT LEAST MY UNDERSTANDING HAS BEEN ELIMINATING THE UNITS, BUT TRANSITIONING THE PERSONNEL TO OTHER AREAS, OTHER FUNCTIONAL AREAS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.

SO THE AMOUNT OF PATROL DIVISION IS CLOSE TO A $2 MILLION BUDGET THAT FUNDS, THERE ARE 14 SWORN PERSONNEL AS WELL AS A CIVILIAN.

SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT ELIMINATING THE AMOUNT OF CONTROL DIVINITY, AND REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT THE COMMODITY COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH RUNNING THE STABLES AND PAIRING FOR THE HORSES, UM, WHICH IS AROUND 326,000 VOLUMES, SIMILAR STORY FOR THE EXPLORERS, MOST OF THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE FLORIDA PROGRAM AND ASSOCIATED TUNES, LAUREN POSITIONS THAT OVERSEE THAT PROGRAM.

THERE'S ONLY ABOUT $11,000

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IN CONTRACTUAL COMMODITIES THAT COULD GO AWAY IF WE WERE PAYING THOSE EMPLOYEES, ELIMINATE THE PROGRAM.

AND THEN FINALLY THE QUEEN NINE PROGRAM HAD BEEN MENTIONED, AND IT'S SIMILAR STORY THERE.

MOST OF THE BUDGET RELATED TO THE SWORN PERSONNEL THAT RUN THOSE BNI OR ANIMALS ABOUT $36,000 IN SAVINGS FROM THE COMMODITIES ASPECT.

NOW THE FINAL AREA WE'VE SEEN IT REALLY IS SHORT TERM IN NATURE IS, IS THIS IDEA OF TRUING UP THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE BUDGET AROUND QUOTE UNQUOTE OVERFUNDED LINE ITEMS, WHICH I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE INTEREST AND LOOKING AT THEIR BUDGETS, SCRUTINIZING IT AND SEEING WHERE THERE MAY BE AREAS TO REDUCE IT.

UM, I JUST WOULD COST YOU A QUOTE THAT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO THAT, AND YOU LOOK AT AN APARTMENT BUDGET WITH, UM, SOMEWHERE AROUND 4,700 LINE ITEMS. AND I ASKED MY STAFF TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND PURPOSE FOR YOUR 2019.

THEY ACTIVELY HAD 2300 LINE ITEMS IN THEIR BUDGET WHERE THEY CAME IN, UM, OR, OR WHERE THEY WENT OVER BUDGET.

AND THEY HAD 2,400 UNITS WHERE THEY CAME IN UNDER BUDGET.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT HALF AND HALF A BUCKET IS SIMPLY A PLAN.

UM, ONE THING I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE YOU IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AND GOES LINE ITEM BUDGETS.

AREN'T GOING TO COME IN SPOT ON TO THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, WHAT THEY BUDDED, IT THERE'S GOING TO BE PLUSES AND MINUSES.

AND IF YOU WANT TO START GOING THROUGH THE LINE ITEM BUDGET, YOU REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT IT IN ITS TOTALITY, WHICH IS WHAT I PROBABLY AGREE WITH THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE.

AND JUST LOOK AT THE TOTAL BOTTOM LINE SAVINGS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND THEN A PROJECTION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2020.

UM, THIS IS A DEPARTMENT WHERE THE BUDGET IN EXCESS OF $400 MILLION AND THEY TYPICALLY EXPAND 99 TO 99 AND A HALF PERCENT OF THAT BUDGET AND OPERATING THEIR, UM, PROGRAMS AND FULFILLING THEIR MISSION.

THE ONE ANOMALY IS IN FISCAL YEAR 2018, WHERE THEY ACTUALLY TURN BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND, $15 MILLION.

AND THAT HAD TO DO WITH MONEY THAT WAS PUT INTO THE BUDGET FOR THE CONTRACT.

AND THEN THERE WAS A DIFFERENT CONTRACT AND WHAT WE HAD EXTENDED LIKE FACTOR THAT RESULTED IN SAVINGS AND ALSO IN 2018 OR UNEXPECTED SAVINGS, UM, WE'RE ON THE LOWER MEDICAL PREMIUMS THAT ALL DEPARTMENTS RELIED ON AND WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THE TRANSFERS TO OUR EMPLOYEE BENEFIT FUND THAT YEAR FISCAL 18 WAS REALLY AN ANOMALY TYPICALLY ABOUT 99 AND 99 AND A HALF PERCENT OF THE BUDGET IS EXTENDED ANNUAL NAME.

SO NOT A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM IN MY MIND IN TERMS OF THE DEPARTMENT KNOCKED DOWN, UM, LINE ITEMS THAT APPEAR TO BE OVERFUNDED.

SO NEXT, UM, ARE THINGS THAT I WOULD PUT INTO MAYBE LIKE A MEDIUM TERM PERSPECTIVE AND, AND LEAVE PROPOSALS ALL HAD TO DO WITH IDEAS ABOUT MOVING NON-SWORN FUNCTIONS OUT OF THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT INTO OTHER AREAS, REPEATED SUPPORT MEDICATION, FORENSIC VICTIM SERVICES, UM, ARE, ARE THE, SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, UM, PUT ON THE MESSAGE BOARD.

AND I KIND OF LOOK AT THESE MORE IN THE MEDIUM TERM, THE BUDGETARILY, IT DOESN'T TAKE US VERY LONG TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THESE UNITS AND MOVE THEM OUT OF AUSTIN POLICE AND PUT THEM SOMEPLACE ELSE.

BUT IT'S THE THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION AND THINKING THROUGH, WELL, WHERE WERE THEY GOING TO BE LOCATED? ARE WE GOING TO CREATE A SINGLE STANDALONE CIVILIAN DEPARTMENT THAT SUPPORTS POLICE? UM, WOULD THESE GET BRANCHED OUT INTO INDIVIDUAL OFFICES, LIKE THE INNOVATIONS OFFICE AND THE BUDGET OFFICE OR THE OFFICE OF POLICE? AND I WOULD SAY MAYBE IN SOME CASES IT'D BE COMBINED WITH EXISTING DEPARTMENTS THAT CAN SERVICE IT, MAYBE GO TO BE PUBLIC HEALTH, OR IN SOME CASES LIKE BRENDA, MAYBE IT JUST GETS OUTSOURCED COMPLETELY AWAY FROM THE CITY AND IT'S DONE BY A THIRD PARTY AGENCY, BUT UNTIL WE HAVE THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS WHERE ALL THE DIFFERENT SERVICE AREAS, UM, IT WOULD BE HARD FOR US TO KNOW WHAT TO DO BUDGET.

APPARENTLY AT LEAST FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE NOT AT THE POINT YET TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON MOVING THESE THINGS AROUND UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND DIFFERENT THE ANSWERS TO THE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.

THROUGH THREE TABLES THAT WERE PART OF A BUDGET QUESTION AND RESPONSE TO, UM, HOW MUCH SAVINGS DO WE GET AS A RESULT OF DELAYING THAT CLASSES ONE, TWO OR THREE OF THEM AND, UM, AND ELIMINATED FURTHER VACANT POSITIONS.

AND I WOULD SUGGEST A DIFFERENT METAPHOR.

JUST, JUST KEEP THAT IN YOUR MIND.

I, AS I SAID THAT, AND I WAS HOPING NOBODY NOTICED, UM, SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, OUR, WHAT I WOULD CHARACTERIZE AS LONGER TERM CONCEPTS THAT HAVE BEEN POSTED THE COUNCIL MESSAGE BOARD, YOUR PROPOSAL TO TRANSITION VARIOUS SWORN POLICE FUNCTIONS TO NON-SWORN AREAS.

AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO READ THEM ALL.

THERE'S A LOT OF IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT FORTH.

UM, AND WE WOULD EXPECT OVER TIME, THERE WOULD BE SAVINGS IF SOME OF THESE LUNCHES WERE TRANSITIONED TO BE DELIVERED BY NON-SWORN PERSONNEL.

UM, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME TO DO THAT.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME, STAND UP A NEW UNIT REFILLS, SOME PORTIONS OF ORTHOPEDIC DEPARTMENTS, CURRENT MISSION.

UM, THE STAND UP THE NEW PROGRAM WILL HIRE THE STAFF TO TRANSITION.

UM, OFFICERS AWAY FROM DOING THE DUTIES ARE HARD, BUT QUITE FRANKLY, THINGS ARE GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME.

SO THAT'S KIND OF, TO ME, THE LONGER TERM, UM, IDEAS I'M GOING TO GO QUICKLY

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SO I MENTIONED, WE ARE CURRENTLY ANTICIPATING AND START THIS FISCAL YEAR 80 VACANT POSITIONS.

I'VE GOT A SLIDE ON THE, SO YOU HAD A BIT, SO I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THAT RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND WE WILL NEED THOSE 80 POSITIONS.

IF WE'RE GOING TO RUN THREE CONNECT CLASSES NEXT YEAR, WE'LL NEED THOSE 80 POSITIONS THAT PLUS THE POSITIONS THAT WILL TRIP OVER TIME.

THAT'LL KIND OF GET US TO FULLY STAFFED UP SOMETIME EARLY ON IN FISCAL YEAR 22.

LET'S DOWN OF HOW WE LANDED AT THE 80, WHO BASED UPON RUNNING THREE CLASSES NEXT YEAR, IF WE WERE TO DELAY THE NOVEMBER CLASS, WE PROJECTED THAT WE'D BEEN REDUCED TO ANOTHER 47 POSITIONS.

SO DELAYING THAT NOVEMBER CLASS ALL SEVEN MONTHS AND THAT NOVEMBER CLASS FALL WITHIN FISCAL YEAR 21.

SO THAT'S 2.3 MILLION IN SAVINGS BY REMOVING ANOTHER 47 POSITIONS THAT $5.3 MILLION OF SAVINGS BY PLANNING WITH CONDITIONS.

BUT THINK ABOUT THAT VACANCY SAVINGS DYNAMIC IS I TAKE $5.3 MILLION THOUGH, BUDGETED SALARIES AWAY FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEIR ABILITY TO MEET THAT $8.2 MILLION VACANCY SAVINGS IS STILL BEING IMPACTED.

SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE WOULD RECOMMEND PUTTING SOME MONEY BACK INTO THEIR BUDGET TO LOWER THAT VACANCY SAVINGS.

AND NOW FROM A NEGATIVE 8.2 MILLION TO A NEGATIVE 6.7 MILLION, WHO GETS YOU TO A NET REDUCTION AT $6.1 MILLION BEFORE I GO ONTO THE OTHER TWO SCENARIOS, I WANT SPEND WHAT'S TIME ARM, JUST KEEP IN MIND ALSO THAT THE, UM, THE DEBT SAVINGS AND THE CADET CLASS SAVINGS SHOULD BE VIEWED IN ONE TIME ELIMINATING A POSITION THAT'S PERMANENT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THE POSITION BACK.

UM, BUT THE CADET CLASSES THAT WE'RE GOING TO START RUNNING THE DEBT CLASSES AGAIN, IF THIS WAS YOUR 22, WE WOULD NEED TO PUT THAT MONEY BACK INTO THE THREE DEPARTMENTS, BUT IN THIS WEIRD POINT WHERE THEY COULD RUN THOSE CLASSES, UM, SCENARIO TWO, IT'S ALL KIND OF THE SAME CONCEPTS.

JUST THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ARE DIFFERENT, BUT IN SCENARIO TWO, IF WE WERE TO BOTH IN NOVEMBER AND THE MARKS CADET CLASSES, AND SO OTHER WORDS, WE'D ONLY RUN ONE CADET CLASS NEXT YEAR, THE ONE THAT WOULD START IN DOING, UM, AT THAT POINT, WE COULD ELIMINATE ALL OF THE 80 POSITIONS THAT WORK WITH BACK INTO, IN, AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, THERE WOULD BE NO NEW POSITIONS BEING, UM, UH, UM, BROUGHT ONTO THE COURSE AND DURING THE YEARS, AND THERE'D BE HANG HAND ENDED THE VACANCIES THAT SCENARIO SAY THE QUOTE WAS $9.2 MILLION.

AND THEN IN SCENARIO THREE, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE WOULDN'T RUN THE JUNE CADET CLASS.

AND SO YOU GET A FEW MONTHS OF ADDITIONAL SAVINGS FROM THAT JUNE CADET CLASS.

WE WOULDN'T BE PAYING THE CADETS.

AND DURING MY AUDIENCE IN SEPTEMBER IS WHEN WE SAVE ABOUT ANOTHER $800,000 ON THE CADET SIDE.

UH, BUT NOTHING CHANGED IN, IN ANYTHING ELSE.

BECAUSE AGAIN, WE CAN ONLY CUT 80 POSITIONS AT THE MOST BECAUSE THAT WOULD GET US DOWN BASICALLY TO BEING A FULLY STAFFED UP FULLY, FULLY STAFFED DEPARTMENT RELATIVE TO ITS AUTHORIZED POSITIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

BUT THAT WOULD GET THE TOTAL $10 MILLION.

I JUST HAVE TWO MORE AND THAT SHOULD BE REAL QUICK, BUT I HOPE THIS HELPS A LITTLE BIT, AS WE PUT TOGETHER, THIS GRAPHICS GOING, WHAT THE PROJECTED VACANCY SAVINGS LEVELS ARE.

THE BLUE SCENARIO IS WHAT WE PROPOSED IN THE BUDGET.

UM, AND THE RED SCENARIO IS THAT SCENARIO THREE, THE RED SCENARIO WITH THE IDEA THAT WE WILL NOT HOLD ANY CADET CLASSES NEXT YEAR.

AND HOW DOES THAT, AND WE'VE CUT 80 VACANT POSITIONS.

UM, SO IN JULY, AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER OF 2020, THE RED LINE AND THE BLUE LINE, THEY'RE THE SAME LINE.

THAT'S THE FISCAL YEAR THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN.

UM, WE PROJECTED BY SEPTEMBER, WE'LL HAVE 192 VACANT POSITIONS IN THE DEPARTMENT THAT WOULD RIDE BY ANOTHER SEVEN POSITIONS IN OCTOBER, BUT ALSO IN OCTOBER.

THAT'S WHEN WE ELIMINATE THE 70 POSITION FROM THE BUDGET FOR THE, FOR WHAT WE PROPOSED TO COUNCIL.

AND ALSO IN OCTOBER, WE HAVE A CADET CLASS, ONE 43, WE'LL BE GRADUATING.

AND WE ANTICIPATE THERE WILL BE 47 GRADUATES FROM THAT CLASS.

AND SO THAT MATH GETS US DOWN TO 82 VACANCIES.

UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR AT 21, WHY DO WE NOT CUT THEM THE TWO, THEN WHY DO WE ONLY PROPOSE CUTTING THE 80? THERE THERE'S UNCERTAINTY IN THESE NUMBERS, THEN WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE POSITION.

WE WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS.

AND WE DON'T WANT A BEGINNING POSITION WHEN WE HAVE MORE FILL POSITIONS THAN WE HAVE AUTHORIZED POSITIONS.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT OF A WIGGLE ROOM THERE.

WELL, YOU CAN SEE IN OCTOBER THOUGH, FOR THE RED SCENARIO, IF WE WERE TO CUT THE ADDITIONAL 80 WE'RE DOWN TO ONLY TWO VACANT POSITIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER, UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE, WE LOSE ABOUT 7.2 PER MONTH.

SO THE MONTH TO MONTH CHANGES, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT PER MONTH, DEPENDING UPON ROUNDING.

BUT OUR AVERAGE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAS BEEN AN ATTRITION RATE OF 7.2 PER MONTH.

SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE VACANCIES GROW.

AND THEN GOING BACK TO THAT

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BLUE SCENARIO, UM, WE WOULD PROJECT, IF WE WERE TO RUN IN NOVEMBER FOR THAT CLASS, WE WOULD GRADUATE FIVE CADETS IN DOING OF 2021 AND STILL YOU'D SEE THE VACANCY SAVINGS NUMBER COME DOWN IN THE RED SCENARIO.

WE'RE NOT RUNNING ANY CADET CLASSES, NOT GRINDING.

WE'RE GETTING ANY OF THAT.

SO THAT RED SCENARIO ON THE NEXT, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, IN MY FINAL SLIDE, I JUST KIND OF FLIPPED IT ON ITS HEAD AND SAID, HEY, LET'S LOOK AT THIS IN TERMS OF ACTUAL BILL POSITIONS.

THESE ARE BOOTS ON THE STREET.

THESE ARE, UM, AWKWARD, NOT AUTHORIZED, RIGHT? THIS IS ACTUAL STRENGTH.

UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 17 1,782 BUILD POSITIONS IN JULY OF 2020.

THAT DROPS BY THAT SAME ROUGHLY SEVEN OFFICERS PER MONTH.

BASED UPON THE ATTRITION RATE, IT'LL POP UP AND THIS IN OCTOBER, YOU DID THE GRADUATION, A CLASS ONE 43, AND THEN IT STARTS COMING DOWN.

AGAIN.

IT IS NOT UNTIL MAY OF 2021 THAT YOU WOULD SEE ANY VARIATION.

THAT'S LEANING WHAT WE HAVE IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

AND THIS SCENARIO THREE, BECAUSE IN THE PROPONENT BUDGET IN MAY OF 2021, WE WOULD GRAB YOUR WEIGHT 65 TO DAD'S OUT OF CLASS ONE 44.

AND IN THE SCENARIO WE WERE IN, WE DON'T KNOW THAT JUST KIND OF HELPS YOU GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF DURING FISCAL YEAR 2041.

HOW WILL OUR ACTUAL AUTHORIZE STRENGTH BY MONTH VARY FROM WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED VERSUS THIS SCENARIO THREE.

AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST NOT AT ONE LATER IN THE YEAR THAT YOU ACTUALLY SEE THAT, THAT SEPARATION.

SO THAT'S EVERYTHING I HAVE FOR YOU THIS MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBER.

AND AGAIN, WE HAVE STAFF ONLINE TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, ED.

UH, QUESTIONS.

IF YOU WANT ME TO KEEP THE SLIDES UP, MAYBE HIT THOSE FIRST CUSTOMER BECAUSE SARGE, YOU LIKE TO START US OFF.

OKAY, I'M GOING TO DO THIS AT MY OWN PERIL.

CAUSE I THINK I TRIED THIS, UM, LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER.

UH, AND I DON'T THINK WE GOT TO THE ANSWER.

I, IT, THERE ARE A LOT MORE SAVINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT THIRD CADET CLASS THAT AREN'T EXPLAINED BY THAT SLIDE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT MORE SAVINGS THAT THEN ROLL INTO FYI 22, MUCH GREATER THAN $800,000.

IT'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, RIGHT? UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO PAY THE SALARIES OF 60 MORE PEOPLE, WHICH IS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

THERE WOULD BE ADJUSTMENTS WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE, LIKE POINTING TO THAT.

UM, EITHER WE WOULD, WE WENT IN WHETHER YOU GO TO AND WE'RE STILL THINKING THROUGH HOW TO DO THIS ANALYSIS AND A LOT OF THE BIG PROJECTIONS, BUT WE WOULD HAVE A HIGHER VACANCY SAVINGS NUMBER.

IF YOU GO TO THE, UM, NEXT SLIDE COUNCIL MEMBER REAL QUICK, YOU SEE THE VACANCY SAVINGS WE'RE BUDGETING.

AND IN THIS SCENARIO THREE, THE VACANCY SAVINGS WE'RE BUDGETING AND SCENARIO THREE FOR FISCAL YEAR ONE, THREE, ONE WOULD HAVE A STARTING POINT OF ONLY TWO VACANCIES BY THE TIME GET TO SEPTEMBER, WE WOULD HAVE 81 VACANCIES.

AND SO CLEARLY FOR FISCAL YEAR 22, WE'RE STARTING THAT FISCAL YEAR WITH 81 VACANCIES AND SEND IT TO DAVE AND SEE IF THEY WERE BUMPED THEIR VACANCY SAVINGS NUMBER WAY UP.

AND SO LONG STORY SHORT, IT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL SAVINGS AS A RESULT OF THAT IN FISCAL YEAR 22.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE WILL HAVE TO PUT MONEY BACK INTO THE DEPARTMENT BUDGET TO RUN THE CADET CLASSES, IF THE DECISION IS MADE TO RUN FOR THAT CLASS IN THAT POINT.

RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHY MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHY CANCELING ALL THREE AND THAT'S WAY MORE THAN 800,000 IS THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SPEND 10 MILLION IN RECURRING RATHER THAN THAT 5,000,001 TIME, IF YOU CANCEL ALL THREE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST A, AN EXTRA $8 MILLION IN SAVINGS THE NEXT YEAR.

SO YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BACK IT.

IT'S NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SUBTRACT THAT 5 MILLION IN ONE TIME.

RIGHT? WE COULD, WE COULD SPEND 10 MILLION IN RECURRING THIS YEAR.

IF WE CANCEL ALL THOSE CADET CLASSES.

IT WOULD BE, I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT TO THE 10 MILLION.

IT COULD BE SLIGHTLY HIGHER OR SLIGHTLY LOWER, BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WE NEED TO RUN THAT NUMBER FOR FISCAL YEAR 22.

UM, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO PUT THAT MONEY BACK THOUGH, BUT THAT MONEY HAS TO GO BACK.

SO THE SAVING AND GO BEING MORE, BUT LET US RUN THE NUMBERS ON THAT.

BUT I DO THINK IT WILL BE MORE BASED UPON THAT WHOLE DYNAMIC AND NETWORK IN YOUR, IN THE Q AND A, IT SAYS THAT WE WOULD GET AN EXTRA EIGHT TO 9 MILLION THE NEXT YEAR.

SO THEN YOU'D HAVE TO BACK OUT THE FIVE, BUT THEN YOU STILL HAVE, WELL OVER 10.

UM, CANCELING THE THIRD CLASS ALSO SAVES MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

SO, I MEAN, I THINK FOR THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMITTEE TO KNOW IT'S NOT LIKE CANCELING ONE CLASS GETS YOU 6 MILLION AND CANCELING THE THIRD ONE ONLY GETS YOU 800,000.

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UM, BUT PRIMARILY BY TURNING YOUR ONE-TIME MONEY INTO RECURRING MONEY, IF WE SO CHOOSE, I THINK IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE Q AND A, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

AND IT'S ALSO THOUGH, MAYBE ON THE NEXT SLIDE AGAIN, COUNCIL MEMBER, IT'S A QUESTION OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE 81.

CLEARLY THAT EIGHT TO $9 MILLION WE TALKED ABOUT WAS IF WE END THE YEAR WITH 81 VACANCIES AND WE WERE TO JUST GET RID OF ALL THOSE 81 AS WELL, THAT WOULD BE EIGHT AND $9 MILLION IN SAVINGS.

IF WE DECIDE NOW, WE DON'T WANT TO GET THE, GET RID OF THE 81.

WE WANT TO FILL THEM.

THEN WE NEED TO KIND OF DO A CALCULATION OF HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE THEM TO GET FILLED AND HOW DO WE DO AGAINST THAT VACANCY SAVINGS NUMBER IN WHICH CASE IT'D BE LESS THAN, OR, YOU KNOW, 9 MILLION EXTRA.

IT'S JUST, IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON A LOT OF FACTORS.

WHAT DO WE WANT TO HAPPEN? AND LIKE WANTING TO, ARE WE GOING TO START THE NEXT CONNECT CLASS AND I PULL OVER OR WOULD WE WAIT UNTIL SOMETIME LATER IN THE YEAR, A LOT OF VARIABLES, BUT UNDERSTOOD.

BUT THE POINT OF VIEW, I THINK THE REALLY IMPORTANT PART FOR US TO GRAPPLE WITH IS THAT IT IS THAT IF WE WANT TO DO SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS IN HIRING STAFF AND HIRING IEPS, DOING THINGS FOR EMS THAT ARE OCCURRING IN THE FAMILY VIOLENCE SHELTER THAT NEEDS STAFFING OR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING THAT IS ONGOING SERVICES, THEN UM, THEN WE WOULD NEED RECURRING DOLLARS.

AND THAT SECOND AND THIRD CADET CLASS PROVIDE RECURRING DOLLARS.

UM, IF WE, IF WE BASICALLY SAY, WE'RE JUST, WE'VE DONE 143 CADET CLASSES, AND WE'RE JUST TAKING A BREAK THIS YEAR, THEN THAT WOULD BE WHAT ACTUALLY GENERATES THOSE RECURRING DOLLARS.

UM, BY BASICALLY BANKING ON THE FACT THAT , YOU WOULD HAVE LESS STAFF.

I HOPE THAT MADE SENSE, BUT IT'S WAY MORE THAN $50,000.

IT MADE SENSE TO ME AND WE NEED TO GET THAT INFORMATION LIKE DIALED IN NUMBERS.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND I SHOULD HAVE PREFACED THE CONVERSATION WITH THIS, RIGHT.

WELL, WE WANT TO TRY TO GET TO TODAY IS HOW ARE WE SETTING UP ACCURATE DECISIONS FOR US TO ALL VOTE ON DURING BUDGET NEXT WEEK? SO GETTING, GETTING MORE DATA BACK IS AN APPROPRIATE CONCLUSION FOR TODAY.

UM, AND I'M MOSTLY SAYING THIS TO THE PUBLIC, CAUSE I KNOW, I KNOW Y'ALL KNOW THIS CAUSE WE'VE ALL SET IT UP THIS WAY.

UM, AND I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A GOOD, IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT WHEN WE HAVE CONFIDENCE ABOUT CANCELING A DECK CADET CLASS, AND I'LL JUST PUT THIS IN.

I USE I-STATEMENTS RIGHT.

I'M COMFORTABLE CANCELING NOVEMBER.

I'M NOT YET COMFORTABLE IN CANCELING MARCH AND I MIGHT BE COMFORTABLE CANCELING THE MARCH THREE OR FOUR MONTHS FROM NOW.

IF THE TRAINING ACADEMY OF TRAINING RESEARCH IS NOT DONE, IF WE DON'T HAVE TRAINING OR COMFORTABLE WITH YET.

AND SO RATHER THAN THE KIND OF DEEP LINE ITEM ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE INEVITABLY GOING TO GET TO IT'S FOR ME, IT'S MORE, WELL, LET'S JUST NOT, LET'S NOT SPEND IT ON ANYTHING YET.

LET'S NOT PROMISE WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THAT CLASS.

THAT'S ALSO NOT REALLY SPEND THE MONEY AND WE CAN PUT THAT TO THE SIDE AS WE CONTINUE THE WORK AND KIND OF THIS MEDIUM TERM.

THAT'S THE WAY THAT MY HEAD IS THINKING ABOUT IT.

ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS AND SOME MEMBER OF HARPER MADISON.

OKAY, THANK YOU CHAIR.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU OFFERING US THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR CLARIFICATION THERE.

I THINK IT'S VERY HELPFUL, NOT JUST FOR US, BUT FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO SORT OF SEE THAT THERE AREN'T THAT MANY OF US WHO ARE OPERATING WITH DEFINITIVES, UM, IT'S SORT OF, THERE ARE SO MANY VARIABLES, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MULTIPLE, IF THIS THEN WHAT, UM, SCENARIOS AND, AND THAT'S ONE OF THEM FOR ME, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE CONTINUED ASSESSMENT AND AUDIT OF TRAINING MATERIALS AND CURRICULUM, ET CETERA, UH, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT AND, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MOVEMENT ON IS, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THE CURRICULUM, BUT WHO'S DELIVERING THAT CURRICULUM.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, PRESENTED IT IN A WAY THAT IT'S FLUID AND FLEXIBLE.

UM, SO THAT GIVES US OPTIONS.

I DON'T WANT TO OFFER PEOPLE ANYTHING IN THE WAY OF DEFINITIVES BECAUSE FRANKLY I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.

UM, I THINK, UH, IT'S, IT'S A POTENTIAL FOR SETTING US UP TO SAY, WE TOLD YOU WE WERE GOING TO GIVE YOU X AND THEN WE DIDN'T.

UM, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

I WOULD MUCH RATHER DISAPPOINT PEOPLE ON THE FRONT END, UM, WITH ASKING FOR FLEXIBILITY, THEN DISAPPOINT PEOPLE ON THE BACK END BY PROMISING THEM THINGS THAT WE CAN'T DELIVER ON.

UM, I REALLY FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT NOT DOING THAT.

UH, I I'D SAY OFTEN A LIE BY OMISSION, UM, IS A, STILL A LIE AND A LIE BY OVER PROMISING.

IT'S STILL A LIE.

UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO LIE TO OUR CONSTITUENTS, BUT THERE IS A SLIDE WHERE I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

A LOT OF THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY ASKED THESE QUESTIONS, WE'VE ALREADY ALL TALKED TO ED.

SO I THINK A LOT OF THIS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO BELABOR, BUT THERE IS A QUESTION WHERE THERE

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WAS A BREAKDOWN LINE BY LINE.

AND ONE OF THE, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH THE PAGE NUMBER.

I'M WATCHING THEM.

THIS ONE, YOU JUST PASSED IT.

THE ONE WITH THE BLUE, THE TWO SEPARATE BLUE COLUMNS.

THIS ONE HERE IS ONE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, ESPECIALLY INVESTIGATIONS, LAKE PATROL, AND THEN AB RECORD THAT'S ONE.

THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS BY, UM, FIREFIGHTERS AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THERE TENDS TO BE THIS SORT OF DISTINCT FRUSTRATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ROAD CONTINUING TO BE OBSTRUCTED AND NOT BEING ABLE TO CLEAR THE ROAD, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, BECAUSE THERE IS THE REQUIREMENT AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE THIS REQUIREMENT LIES, BUT APPARENTLY THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT PD HAS TO MAKE THE CALL TO THE WRECKER.

SO LIKE THE FIREFIGHTER CAN'T MAKE THE CALL TO THE WRECKER.

THE CITIZEN CAN'T MAKE THE CALL TO THE RECORD.

PD HAS TO SHOW UP AND MAKE THE CALL TO THE RECORD.

UM, CHIEF GAY, CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT FOR ME AND TELL ME IF THAT IS IN FACT, THE CASE, CAUSE I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS LINE ITEM, THIS $0.7 MILLION, NOT JUST FOR THE SAVINGS POTENTIAL, BUT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN INEFFICIENCY IN A SYSTEM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE THE ANSWER FOR YOU.

UH, I WOULD BELIEVE THAT ANY PUBLIC SAFETY ENTITY SHOULD BE ABLE TO CALL A RECORD TO CLEAR THE ROADWAY, UH, BUT I WILL GET THAT ANSWER FOR YOU.

AND, UH, IF THAT IS AN INEFFICIENCY, THEN WE WILL SORT OF FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN CHANGE THAT.

THAT'D BE GREAT.

AND UNLESS THEY'RE REALLY MISTAKEN, I'VE HEARD FROM AT LEAST A HALF DOZEN FIREFIGHTERS THAT THIS IS A POINT OF FRUSTRATION THAT I'M NOT BEING ABLE TO CLEAR THE ROADWAY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T CALL THE WRECKER.

UM, THE OTHER ONE ON HERE THAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, UH, DID THE DA RECRUITING $3.6 MILLION.

AND SO MY THOUGHT HERE IS LOOKING AT ALL THE STATISTICAL DATA THAT WE HAVE ABOUT RECRUITING RECRUITS, ET CETERA.

UM, WHAT I WAS ABLE TO RECOGNIZE IS, UM, OVER 50%, UPWARDS OF 60% OF OUR RECRUITS ARE WHITE MALE AND CHRISTIAN IS HOW THEY IDENTIFY.

AND SO THAT TO SAY, I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS $3.6 MILLION BEING LESS, BUT I WOULD ALSO WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE DIDN'T TAKE AWAY THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO DIVERSITY RECRUITING.

UM, IT'S CLEAR TO ME BY WAY OF THE NUMBERS THAT I'M LOOKING AT, WE DON'T NEED TO RECRUIT WHITE MALE CHRISTIANS, BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE SOME EFFORT TOWARDS RECRUITING BLACK AND BROWN FOLKS AND WOMEN.

AND SO I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS ENTIRE 3.6 BE SUBTRACTED FROM OUR OPTIONS AND POSSIBILITIES, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME DEGREE OF EFFORT PLACED TOWARDS RECRUITMENT, UM, AND, AND, UH, COMMUNITIES THAT ARE UNDER REPRESENTED IN THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND THAT WAS ALL I HAD.

AND I WOULD, UM, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE PROPOSALS ARE CUTS AND SOME OF THEM ARE OPTIONS OPPORTUNITIES TO REIMAGINE WITH NON-SWORN STAFF.

SO I THINK YOUR POINT IS ON THE, ON THE NOSE, UH, COUNSELOR, BARBARA MADISON, THAT THERE MAY BE WAYS TO RETHINK HOW WE DO RECRUITING.

I DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE HAS PROPOSED ELIMINATING IT.

I MAY BE WRONG ABOUT THAT.

UM, BUT HOW WE STRUCTURE IT IS AN OPEN QUESTION ALSO UNDER THE LONGER TERM BUCKET, WHICH TO YOUR POINT, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE A LITTLE SHORTER TERM IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RECRUITING, BUT IF WE'RE ALSO NOT DOING CADET CLASSES, THERE'S KIND OF A CONFLICT THERE.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING ABOUT ALL THE VARIABLES, ALL THE, AND WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY I REALLY, REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE, ENCOURAGE US ALL TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH WHAT WE'RE SAYING TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND WHAT WE'RE PROMISING.

COUNCILMEMBER KITCHEN, YOUR AMAZON.

QUICK DATA QUESTION.

I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I WANT TO ASK, SO THE VACANCY, UM, ESTIMATES, UM, AND, UM, THAT'S AN INTERESTING, UH, SLIDE.

UM, WHEN WE ESTIMATE VACANCIES, DO WE HAVE ANY DEEPER OR MORE DETAILED LEVEL OF DATA IN TERMS OF WHICH DEPARTMENTS OR FUNCTIONS? WELL, YOU'RE SAYING THOSE VACANCIES IN, WE DO HAVE THAT DATA AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE IT WITH YOU BY DEPARTMENT.

UM, WE GENERALLY THE VACANCY SAVINGS AMOUNT ABOUT BASED ON HISTORICAL TRENDS, YOU KNOW, SO OUR GOAL IN THE BUDGET OFFICE IS WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO NOT BE ABLE TO FILL THEIR POSITIONS CAUSE WE GAVE THEM THIS HUGE VACANCY SAVINGS NUMBER, BUT WE'D BE WANTING TO REFLECT THE VACANCY SAVINGS NUMBER THAT IS KIND OF WEIRD HISTORICAL TREND, THIS TREADMILL OF PEOPLE LEAVING THE ORGANIZATION AND THE TIME IT TAKES FOR US TO BRING NEW PEOPLE ON.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT VACANCY RATE VARIES BY DEPARTMENT FROM ANYWHERE FROM AS LOW AS 0% AND MAYBE AS HIGH AS 12 TO 15%, DEPENDING UPON THE DEPARTMENT.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A HIRING FREEZE GOING ON LIKE WE DO RIGHT NOW, BUT I HAVE ALL THAT DATA.

I'D BE TO SHARE IT WITH YOU.

MEAN, BY THE, THE DIFFERENT, UH, FUNCTIONS WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I SHOULD BE CLEAR.

I DON'T MEAN BY DEPARTMENT.

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SO, UM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME NOW I CAN GET IT LATER.

IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ESTIMATING NINE VACANCIES AND NOVEMBER 20 OR 89, DEPENDING ON WHICH LINE YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, WHAT, WHAT, I DON'T KNOW IF I CALL THEM FUNCTIONS OR AREAS OR, YOU KNOW, SUB SUB DEPARTMENTS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT DATA YOU HAVE THAT BREAKS THAT DOWN FOR ME.

AND IF YOU COULD SEND THAT, I MEAN, W WE CAN SEND YOU A FORMAL REQUEST ON THAT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DO HAVE SOME DATA, IS THAT RIGHT? EXACTLY.

THE BIG DEPARTMENT.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY OVER, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE THEIR STAFFING AROUND SO THAT THEY HAVE A REAL HIGH NUMBER OF VACANCIES AND ROLL AREA, AND THEY MAY NEED TO MOVE AWAY FROM A DIFFERENT UNIT NEED.

AND SO WE GET A COMPLETE DEPARTMENT TO SEE ABILITY TO TRACK YOUR VACANCY BY, UM, BY UNION.

I'M NOT ASKING HOW THEY'RE FILLING THEM, I'M ASKING, WHO'S LEAVING.

AND OTHER WORDS, SO QUESTION THAT I HAVE, SO IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE IN THE SAME SPOT BY JUNE OF EITHER SCENARIO WE'RE IN ROUGHLY THE SAME, SAME SPOT, DEPENDING ON WHETHER YOU'RE LOOKING AT JUNE, JULY, AUGUST, OR SEPTEMBER OF NEXT YEAR.

AND SO I'M JUST WANTING TO UNDERSTAND BETTER, UH, PARTICULARLY SINCE WE ARE CHECKING AND THINKING, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T HAVE DATA OF COURSE ABOUT IT YET, IS THAT BY FREEING UP SOME OF THE, UM, FUNCTIONS FROM THE POLICE THAT FREES UP POLICE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, SWORN POLICE TO, UH, TO, TO FILL OTHER AREAS OF NEED.

SO, UM, THAT'S EVENTUALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO, AND I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ALL THAT DATA RIGHT NOW, SO, OKAY.

UM, LET'S SAY SPECIFIC QUESTION.

AND I WOULD ADD TO THAT TOO.

IT, COUNCILMAN DEFICIENT SAID IS UNLIKE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHERE THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZES A SINGLE FTE NUMBER, WE AUTHORIZED BY CLASS, RIGHT? WE AUTHORIZE A SPECIFIC NUMBER PER RANK, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THEY CAN SEIZE AND OTHERS DEPARTMENTS OR FTS IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

AND IF WE'RE, IF, IF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS AS, AS FOLKS ARE RETIRING, IT'S VERY LIKELY THAT THEY'RE AT THE HIGHER END, BUT THE DATA HOPEFULLY WILL SHOW SOME OF THAT IF WE'RE MOVING PEOPLE UP, BECAUSE ONCE THOSE VACANCIES APPEAR, PEOPLE WANT TO GET PROMOTED.

YOU, I WORRY ABOUT KIND OF THE TOP HEAVINESS OF THE DEPARTMENT.

AND IF WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THEY CAN SEE REDUCTIONS, OR IF THEY'RE BEING THOUGHT ABOUT AS DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE CLASSES, UM, THAT, AND MAYBE WE'RE SUCH SMALL NUMBERS, CAUSE WE'RE TALKING AGAIN TO THE PUBLIC, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 50 TO A HUNDRED WITHIN A 1800 SIZE DEPARTMENT.

SO MAYBE THAT'S A NUANCE THAT AT THIS LEVEL, IN THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR, ISN'T THAT MUCH OF A DISTINCTION, BUT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN KIND OF RATTLING AROUND MY HEAD AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS CHART, THIS SHOWS THEY CAN SEE IT'S RIGHT THERE.

I GUESS TWO WAYS YOU CAN CREATE A VACANCY.

YOU CAN CREATE A, YOU CAN ADJUST A VACANCY NUMBER EITHER BY REMOVING THE POSITION OR BY STEALING THE POSITION.

AND BOTH OF THEM WOULD RAISE IT IN A, IN A SIMILAR BANK AND PEPPER.

SO THIS HAS US UNDER BOTH SCENARIOS, BE CLOSER IN JUNE, SEPTEMBER TIME, 21.

UM, BUT WE, BUT THERE'S TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING THEIR DIFFERENT WAYS, RIGHT? SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT ARE, ARE THERE THAT, AND IS THAT THAT CHART? THAT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER OF OFFICERS.

THAT'S WHAT THIS CHART, WHEN THE VACANCY CHART, THE VACANCY BETWEEN THE TWO SCENARIOS, VERY CLOSE TOGETHER BY THE END OF THE YEAR, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN BIG TIME STREET GROWS.

I THINK I UNDERSTAND OTHER QUESTIONS.

SO I THINK THE, IT SEEMS SOMEWHAT CLEAR THAT THERE ARE SOME KIND OF VOTE OBJECTS, WHICH PARDON MY PROGRAMMERS TO BE PROGRAMMER SPEAK, BUT BOTH OBJECTS WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AT LEAST ON THE CADET CLASSES.

UM, THERE ARE THESE OTHER QUESTIONS.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ED OR BETTER CLARIFY FOR OURSELVES HOW THESE MIGHT BE CONSIDERED NEXT WEEK.

COUNCIL MEMBER ALTAR.

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I HAD, UM, TWO QUESTIONS.

SO GOING BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER KOSSAR'S QUESTION, UM, ON THE SAVINGS FROM THE CADET CLASS.

UM, SO WHEN YOU GET BACK TO US WITH THAT DATA, WE CLARIFY WHEN SOMETHING IS RECURRING IN THAT IT'S MONEY SAVED IN FISCAL YEAR 22 THAT'S ONE TIME, BUT THAT WE COULD BE THINKING ABOUT AS MONEY THAT WE COULD PROGRAM VERSUS MONEY THAT IS IN FISCAL YEAR 22, THAT WAS RECURRING MONEY THAT WOULD ALSO BE AVAILABLE IN FISCAL YEAR 23.

ASSUMING WE HAVE SOME CADET CLASSES, UM, IN FISCAL YEAR 22.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? CAUSE I WORKED FOR THAT.

I HEARD THAT YOU HAD RECURRING, THAT WAS RECURRING OVER TIME.

I'LL BE AT, IT MIGHT BE RECURRING IN THAT IT'S IN FISCAL YEAR 21 IN FISCAL YEAR 22.

BUT IF WE WANT TO HIRE PEOPLE, WE HAVE TO HAVE MONEY IN FISCAL YEAR 23 AND 24 AS WELL.

AND SO I THINK WE CAN LAY OUT ALL THREE OF THESE SCENARIO WHERE THEY FALL ON WHAT WILL BE THE COLUMN SALEM FOR FISCAL YEAR 21.

UM, YOU CAN DO THAT AND GET THAT OUT TO THE LAKE.

AND I KNOW THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO THE RESIDENTS.

I HEARD DIFFERENTLY FROM THE GROUP.

WE WILL, WE WOULD ASSUME THAT BEGINNING IN FISCAL YEAR 22, WE'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING CLASSES.

WE'D GO BACK TO THE THREE CLASSES PER YEAR.

UM, REGARDLESS OF IF WE DELAY ONE, TWO OR THREE CLASSES IN FISCAL YEAR 21, IF WE'RE RUNNING THREE AND FOUR, BASED UPON THAT ASSUMPTION, WE'VE BEEN RUNNING THE, A NUMBER FOR YOU.

THE OTHER QUESTION, IF WE COULD GO TO THE OVERTIME OR YOU ADDED SOMETHING ON THAT, BUT MIND IF I INTERJECT, THERE ARE NO, I, I WRONG AS I GET TO GET BACK.

OH NO, NO, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THAT'S IMPORTANT I THINK TO ALL OF US AND I THINK THE, AND YOUR POINT IS EXACTLY RIGHT.

WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN 22, 23, 24 AD THOUGH.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS NOT HOW YOU CATEGORIZE IN THE BUDGET RECURRING VERSUS ONE TIME IN YOUR CATEGORIES, BUT ACTUALLY WHAT MONEY, IF WE WANTED TO SPEND RECURRING MONEY, HIRE PEOPLE, WHAT COULD WE HIRE PEOPLE WITH? NOT HOW DO YOU HAVE IT CODED IN YOUR SYSTEM? I UNDERSTAND THAT PART TOO WELL.

THERE'S, THERE'S A COROLLARY TO THIS ALSO, WHICH IS IN FISCAL YEAR 21, WE HAVE TO TAKE THE VACANCY SAVINGS, BUT IN FISCAL YEAR 22, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO VACANCY SAVINGS BUDGETED.

SO, AND YOU WOULD HAVE JUST MADE THAT UP, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE COURSE OF MOVING FORWARD AS STANDARD PRACTICE.

SO SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO CAPTURE THAT SIDE OF IT TOO, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

CAUSE THOSE POSITIONS, AS YOU PROJECTED INTO FISCAL YEAR 22 WOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE FULL RATE, UM, IN THE PROJECTIONS.

UM, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROJECTIONS AS OPPOSED TO JUST MOVING, MOVING MONEY.

UM, SO MY, MY OTHER QUESTION ON THE SPECIFICS HERE IS FOR OVERTIME.

UM, AND SO WE DID NOT HAVE SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST THIS YEAR.

UM, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT 1.5 MILLION? OKAY.

UM, IT'S PART OF THE DEPARTMENT OVERALL $12.9 MILLION BUDGET.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR ACTUAL YEAR TO DATE SPEND IS ON AGAIN, THE BUDGET, THE PLAN.

SO THEY MAY GO OVER BUDGET ON OVERTIME.

THEY MAY COME IN UNDER BUDGET AND I'LL BE FINE, HARD TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO IT.

IT'S JUST PART OF THEIR BASE BUDGET.

IT'LL BE PART OF A YEAR END SAVINGS THAT THEY HAVE AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

I'M INTERESTED IN TRANSFORMATIONAL CHANGE.

SO WE COULD GET YEAR TO DATE FOR THE OVERTIME.

, THAT'D BE GREAT.

UM, AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO, UM, SAY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER HARPER MADISON'S, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD BE, UM, CLEAR IN OUR MESSAGING AND WHAT WE'RE DOING, UM, AND UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DELIVER.

I'M LESS INTERESTED IN MOVING PIECES ON A CHESS BOARD.

UM, AND I'M STILL LOOKING FOR THE WAYS FORWARD THAT WE REALLY DO, UM, REIMAGINE HOW WE'RE DELIVERING SERVICES AND HOW WE'RE MAKING EVERYONE IN AUSTIN SAFE.

UM, AND THERE ARE THERE'S VALUE IN MOVING CERTAIN THINGS OUT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT GETS US, UM, ULTIMATELY TO WHERE WHEREVER YOU WANT.

WE WANT TO BE AND

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FIGURES OUT THAT DYNAMIC AS WE ALSO DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE A GROWING A GROWING CITY, UM, AND THEIR, AND THEIR CHALLENGES.

SO I JUST, I APPRECIATE THOSE, THOSE COMMENTS AND WANT TO, TO, TO RECOGNIZE THAT.

THAT'S COOL.

I WANT HIM TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE, UM, LIKE NOT THE LIKE PATROL THE SPECIAL, UM, EVENT IN PARTICULAR AND THEN TRAFFIC.

UM, I KNOW THAT, UM, I KNOW THAT OFFICERS ARE THE ONLY ONES WITH AUTHORITY UNDER STATE LAWS TO DO THE TRAFFIC CONTROL.

ARE THERE, SO SETTING ASIDE THE SWORN OFFICERS IN BOTH OF THOSE OFFICES ARE THERE ADMINISTRATIVE NON-FOREIGN AND OTHER CIVILIAN POSITIONS THAT COULD BE TRANSFERRED POTENTIALLY.

AND THEY, UM, IN THE CASE ZONES, TRANSPORTATION, TRAFFIC OVER TO TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, I CAN'T TELL WHO'S TALKING.

UM, MOST OF THE STUFF IN OUR SPECIAL EVENTS IN OUR DEPARTMENT OR SWORN PERSONNEL, OR WE DO HAVE A FEW INFILTRATIVE STAFF THAT, UH, ARE CIVILIAN, DO WE KNOW WHAT A FEW IS? I'LL HAVE TO GET YOU THE EXACT NUMBER.

I THINK IT'S ONE OR TWO THOUGH.

CAUSE REMEMBER HARPER, MADISON.

ALRIGHT, GOOD TO KNOW.

THANKS CAUSE REMEMBER CASAR, DID YOU HAVE SOME OF THEM THAT COMES FROM HARPER MEDICINE? UM, TWO THINGS ON THE, ON THAT ON OVERTIME, IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

UM, BUT A BIT OF MY UNDERSTANDING AND PART OF WHAT WE PUT INTO THE SPREADSHEET WAS THAT IF THERE WERE NOT CADET CLASSES, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU WOULD THEN HAVE PATROL OFFICERS TIME FREED UP, UM, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CON YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATING IN THOSE CLASSES.

AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD LIKELY, UH, CREATE SOME, SOME NUMBER OF HOURS, UM, THAT WOULD NOT, MAYBE NOT, WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE BACK-FILLED BY OVERTIME.

UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR, FOR, UH, AN APARTMENT IN BUDGET, UH, TO EMAIL TO US AS WELL.

UM, IN THAT SCENARIO THREE WHERE ALL THREE CLASSES DON'T GO ON, UM, WHETHER THERE'S ADDITIONAL OVERTIME SAVINGS THAT WE COULD, THAT WE COULD REALIZE, UH, UH, THE SECOND THING THAT I WANTED TO, UM, TO RAISE, I THINK IT'S TOTALLY IN LINE WITH WHAT, UM, SHARE WHAT YOU SAID ALONG WITH, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS, ALTAR AND HARPER MADISON IS THAT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF THIS WORK, EVEN IF WE MOVE SOMETHING IN THE BUDGET IS GOING TO TAKE TIME.

AND I THINK MAYBE WE PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE ON THE MESSAGE BOARD.

AND SO FAR AS BUDGET DIRECTION GOES THAT IF WE SAY INTERNAL AFFAIRS OR FORENSICS OR SOMETHING ELSE IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE INDEPENDENT THAT IF WE PULL IT OUT OF THE BUDGET ALL AT ONCE, ADD, LIKE YOU SAID, THE CITY HAS IT READY ON OCTOBER 1ST TO ALREADY HAVE THE ANSWER ON EXACTLY WHERE FORENSICS GOES.

BUT IF THE COUNCIL MAKES THE DECISION TO SAY IT IS SO VALUABLE FOR IT TO BE INDEPENDENT, THAT WE MAKE IT INDEPENDENT, WHAT KIND OF DIRECTION WE COULD INCLUDE SO THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER HARPER MADISON'S POINT, WE'RE VERY UPFRONT WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT WE MEAN, THAT WHAT WE MEAN IS WE DO WANT IT TO BE INDEPENDENT.

WE HAVE VOTED TO MAKE IT A SEPARATE LINE ITEM AND THE MANAGER'S GOING TO SEPARATE IT, BUT THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT IS HOSTED IN A NEW DEPARTMENT COME OCTOBER ONE, BECAUSE I THINK UNDERSTANDABLY IT WOULD TAKE SOME TIME FOR THAT PROCESS TO HAPPEN ALONG THE FISCAL YEAR.

SO THAT'S MY EXPECTATION.

AND I WANT TO KEEP SAYING THAT OUT LOUD SO THAT FOLKS KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE DOING.

OH, THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR THE ASSIST, JEFF AGAIN.

UM, I ACTUALLY HAD A, UH, WHAT I HOPE TO BE A QUICK QUESTION.

THERE WAS, UM, THERE WAS THE ED, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE THREE CADET CLASSES.

IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT UNTIL, UM, THIS YEAR WHERE WE WERE GOING TO HAVE ONE IN THE, IN FEBRUARY ONE IN JULY AND THEN ONE IN THE FALL THAT IT'S NOT CUSTOMARY THAT WE HAVE THREE CADET CLASSES.

I THOUGHT CUSTOMARILY, WE HAD TWO CADET CLASSES AND THAT THIS YEAR WAS AN ANOMALY.

UM, IS THAT NOT THE CASE? IS IT THAT WE ADOPTED THE THREE AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO PERPETUALLY AFTER THE THREE.

CAN SOMEBODY CLEAR THAT UP FOR ME? MAYBE CHIEF KAY.

UH, LARGE CLASSES AND THEN ONE LATERAL CLASS THIS YEAR, UH, WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE DID NOT HOLD A LATERAL CLASS.

COUNCIL MEMBER.

UH, WE HISTORICALLY HAVE HAD TWO,

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THOSE CLASSES ARE USUALLY SMALLER.

SO IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH OUR STAFFING PLAN, WE HAD THREE FULL ACADEMIES THAT WE USUALLY SEE ANYWHERE FROM 70 TO 80 IN EACH CLASS.

OUR LATERALS USUALLY ARE LESS THAN 30, I GUESS.

YOU KNOW, I'VE TRIED TO GET WITH YOU OFFLINE IT TO GET A LITTLE MORE CLARITY THERE.

CAUSE IT'S STILL A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING ABOUT WHAT WE DO CUSTOMARILY FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO THINK THROUGH WHAT ARE WE DOING DIFFERENTLY HERE.

UM, AND TO COUNCIL MEMBER ALTERS POINT, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST MOVING PIECES, UM, FOR THE SAKE OF ACCOMMODATING ANY PARTICULAR ASK OR, YOU KNOW, ANY PARTICULAR SORT OF INDEPENDENTLY DRIVEN, UM, AGENDA.

LIKE I WANT TO KNOW WHAT DO WE NORMALLY DO AND HOW ARE WE MAKING TRUE TRANSFORMATIONAL SUSTAINABLE CHANGE.

SO, UM, I GOT YOUR EMAIL AND I'LL RESPOND TO THAT.

AND I'LL, AND I'LL ASK THAT QUESTION ADDITIONALLY, THEN THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK YOU TO CLARIFY FOR ME IS, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER KASAR SAID FREE UP PATROL OFFICERS AND NOT HAVE TO BACKFILL BECAUSE OF THEIR INVOLVEMENT WITH THE ACADEMY.

I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE WAS A SEPARATE AND ASIDE SPECIFIC GROUP OF FOLKS WHO ARE THE ACADEMY APPOINTED TRAINERS, EDUCATORS, MENTORS, ET CETERA.

IS THAT NOT THE CASE? CAN YOU CLEAR THAT UP FOR ME AS WELL? ABSOLUTELY.

A GREAT QUESTION.

WE DO HAVE PERMANENT STAFF AT THE ACADEMY, BUT THERE ARE A CERTAIN TIMES THROUGHOUT THE ACADEMY THAT WE DO SCENARIO BASED TRAINING.

AND THEN WE UTILIZE OUR FIELD TRAINING OFFICERS THAT ARE IN THE FIELD AND WE PULL THEM BACK TO THE ACADEMY, UH, FOR A FEW WEEKS THROUGHOUT THAT 32 WEEK PERIOD.

SO, BUT USUALLY THAT IS MANAGED, UH, AND THOSE ARE PLANNED EVENTS.

SO, UH, IT, IT USUALLY WOULD NOT, UH, CAUSE A BACKFIELD SITUATION BECAUSE THE SUPERVISORS PLAN FOR THOSE SITUATIONS TO WHERE WHEN THOSE FTOS WOULD BE ASSIGNED TO THE ACADEMY.

SO NORMALLY A, UM, A SHIFT WOULD ALLOW TWO PEOPLE TO TAKE VACATION OFF, BUT IF SOMEONE WAS OFF ON SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT, THEN FOR THAT WEEK, THEY WOULD ONLY ALLOW ONE.

SO USUALLY IT WOULD NOT CAUSE A BACKFILL.

NOW, IF THERE WAS SOMEONE THAT WAS SICK ON TOP OF THAT, THEN YES, IT CAUSE A BACKFILL SITUATION.

ED PRESENTED THE INFORMATION EARLIER IN A SCENARIO ONE, TWO, THREE.

UM, I WONDER IF YOU COULD WORK WITH MY COLLEAGUES AND I TO HAVE US BE ABLE TO BETTER SEE WHAT THOSE SCENARIOS LOOK LIKE YOU SAID USUALLY, BUT WHAT'S UNUSUAL.

WHAT'S USUAL.

WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT'S USUAL? AND WHAT'S UNUSUAL.

I THINK KNOWING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THOSE VARIABLES AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS DECISION MAKING, ESPECIALLY IF THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION AND THAT SORT OF OVERTIME CATEGORY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL CAN HELP US FOR DO THAT PRODUCE FOR US? ABSOLUTELY.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I'M CERTAIN, MY COLLEAGUES WOULD ALSO THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

WE'RE, WE'RE TWO MINUTES TO, WHEN WE WANT TO BREAK FOR LUNCH, IF ANYONE GETS ANY QUICK COMMENTS IN AND THEN I'LL KIND OF TELEGRAPH WHAT I THINK THE AFTERNOON WILL BE NEAR PER TEMP.

YEAH, JUST A QUICK COMMENTS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS DOES REALLY ILLUSTRATE THE DIFFICULTY THAT WE'RE FACING IN WANTING TO WANTING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO, UM, THE COMMUNITY, UH, WHO HAVE, HAVE PUT US IN THESE POSITIONS.

AND SO AT A WHILE, I, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL IN THE, IN, IN THE PROMISES THAT WE'RE MAKING.

I THINK, I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO BE CAREFUL IN, UM, REFERRING TO COMMUNITY ASKS IN CERTAIN WAYS TOO.

AND, UM, I THINK WE'RE ALL TRYING.

I THINK WE ALL HAVE THE SAME DESIRE TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE AS POSSIBLE.

UM, I, 100% AGREE WITH HOW COUNCILOR ALTAR EXPLAINED AND CHARACTERIZED THE MOTIVATIONS OF ALL OF US, BUT, UM, THIS HAVING BEEN, BEEN MY WILL BE MY SIXTH BUDGET.

I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO GET THINGS DONE IN EVERY SINGLE BUDGET.

AND I'M JUST REALLY CONCERNED UNLESS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SOME DRASTIC DECISIONS AND GRAB DRASTIC CHANGES.

UM, OTHERWISE I'VE SEEN IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN, HOW THINGS, HOW THE CAN GETS KICKED DOWN THE ROAD.

AND I CAN GIVE YOU ONE ZILLION EXAMPLES

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OF THAT IN MY TIME ON THIS COUNCIL.

AND SO, UM, IT'S IT'S MANY OF US I THINK ARE, ARE REACT OR ARE BEING RESPONSIVE, WANTING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO COMMUNITY ASKS.

AND, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN THIS OVERWHELMING, UM, INVOLVEMENT PEOPLE CALLING IN AND SAYING, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE EVER CAUGHT CITY COUNCIL.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE LISTENING AND, UM, WE ALL HAVE, WE ALL WANT TO DO THE SAME THING.

WE JUST HAVE MAYBE DIFFERENT TIMELINES AND, AND, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S COMFORT LEVELS ON TIMELINES, BUT I, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE IT'S JUST ME COMING FROM A POSITION WHERE THIS IS MY LAST BUDGET, UM, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER.

AND I WANT TO REALLY BE PART OF SEEING SOME RE, AND I KNOW THAT I'LL JUST STOP THERE.

I JUST, I DON'T WANT US TO KICK THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

WE HAVE THIS MOMENT AND WE NEED, THANK YOU.

MA'AM FOR TIM.

I REALLY WANT TO GET TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A LUNCH BREAK.

UM, CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS WHILE HANGRY.

I CERTAINLY DON'T LIKE TO DO THAT.

IF YOU CAN BE BRIEF, PLEASE CUSTOMER YOUR KITCHEN AND COUNSELOR ALTAR, VERY BRAVE, UM, UH, MY VALUES OR PUBLIC SAFETY AND VERY, VERY QUICKLY AND URGENTLY INVESTING MORE IN OUR COMMUNITY IN HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES, UH, SHARE, UH, THE MAYOR PORT TIM'S SENTIMENT IS AS A COMMUNITY AND AS A COUNTRY, WE ARE WAY OVERDUE AND WAY PAST TIME TO, UH, INVEST IN PEOPLE.

AND SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS THROUGH THAT LENS CAUSE WE'RE ALTAR.

SO MY COMMENT IS MORE OF A NITTY GRITTY COMMENT THAT I WANTED TO JUST FLAG FOR FOLKS TWO YEARS AGO IN THE BUDGET.

UM, WE TRIED TO CREATE MOBILITY OFFICERS THAT WOULD TAKE OFF OVER SOME OF THE ROLES THAT POLICE WERE DOING, UM, IN TRYING TO LOOK THROUGH SOME OF THE TRAFFIC THINGS, UM, AND, AND, AND SORT OF SEEING WHERE THINGS GOT, UM, IMPACTED BY COVID ET CETERA.

UM, AND WE HAVE DISCOVERED THAT THERE'S BEEN CERTAIN ROADBLOCKS.

UM, AND I WANTED TO LET FOLKS KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO BE PUTTING FORWARD, UM, AN AMENDMENT ASKING FOR $30,000 TO DO A CLASSIFICATION AND COMPENSATION STUDY SO WE CAN DO THE NEXT STEP FOR THE MOBILITY OFFICERS.

THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IS ALREADY TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

UM, THERE WAS A DELAY BECAUSE THEY HAD TO DO A BROADER, UM, CLASSIFICATION AND COMPENSATION STUDY FOR ALL OF THEIR CLASSIFICATIONS BECAUSE THE MOBILITY OFFICERS HAVE TO BE A STEP IN THERE.

UM, BUT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT ONCE THE PARKING REVENUES COME BACK, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO FUND THE MOBILITY OFFICERS FROM PARKING REVENUES, UM, AS WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN, THEY HAD TO KIND OF STEP BACK BECAUSE OF THE DROPS IN PARKING REVENUE AND THOSE POSITIONS ARE NOT CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET.

SO I WILL BE PUTTING FORWARD AN AMENDMENT THAT WILL BE ASKING FOR THAT 30,000 FROM GENERAL FUNDS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE PARKING REVENUE TO DO IT FROM THAT.

UM, BUT IT WILL SET THE STAGE SO THAT AS THAT PARKING REVENUE COMES BACK, WE'LL BE IN A POSITION TO HAVE THESE MOBILITY OFFICERS WHO CAN HELP WITH THINGS LIKE ACCESSIBLE PARKING VOLUNTEER PROGRAM, BIKE LANE ENFORCEMENT, TOWING VEHICLES OUT OF ALLEYS, UM, AND ORDERING VEHICLE IMMOBILIZATION, UM, STANDING AT STREET BARRICADES AT EVENTS AND OTHER THINGS.

UM, AND THAT WILL BE FAIRLY QUICKLY ONCE OUR PARKING REVENUE GETS BACK UP, THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO THINK, UM, ABOUT GETTING THOSE OFFICERS, BUT WE NEED IT, BUT WE NEED IT.

WE NEED TO TAKE, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT STEP OF THAT CLASSIFICATION, UM, SURVEY, UM, BEFORE WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE THOSE NEXT STEPS.

YOU BACK AT 1235, WE ARE RECESSED BACK OUT OF RECESS.

SO HERE'S THE THING.

HE HELPS MY BROTHER, HERE'S THE PLAN.

WE WILL RECESS FOR LUNCH FOR 30 MINUTES.

WE'LL COME BACK 1235.

UM, AND IF YOUR TEAM COULD, UH, JUST BE READY WHEN WE COME BACK FROM LUNCH, IF THERE ARE REMAINING QUESTIONS THAT YOU THINK NEED TO BE ANSWERED BEFORE VOTABLE PROPOSALS CAN BE DRAFTED, WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH ONES WE WANT.

WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT THERE'LL BE WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

AND I DO THINK AS MANY FOLKS HAVE SAID, THERE'LL BE SOME THAT ARE BUDGET AMENDMENTS.

THERE'LL BE SOME THAT ARE WRITERS.

THEY'LL BE SOME THAT ARE DIRECTION AND THAT'S ALL FINE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT TODAY WE'RE AT LEAST ALL UNDERSTANDING WHAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE.

AND THEN WE DELIBERATE AND VOTE ON THEM NEXT WEEK.

AND THEN I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE AFTERNOON, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EMS PROPOSALS, WHICH I KNOW A LOT OF US ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT.

UM, AND ANY OTHER PROPOSALS THAT FALL IN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY BUDGET, UH, POLICE, FIRE, EMS CODE ENFORCEMENT COURTS, UM, HOPEFULLY BY TWO O'CLOCK, BY THE TIME WE ADJOURN, WE'LL AT LEAST HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE ITEMS ARE ON THE TABLE SO THAT STAFF CAN PREPARE US FOR THE BUDGET NEXT WEEK.

ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE RECESS? ALRIGHT, THANKS EVERYBODY.

WE'LL SEE

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SO, UM, AS I SAID, UH, BEFORE WE WENT INTO LUNCH BREAK, IT WOULD BE GREAT, UH, ADD OR ANY OTHER STAFF.

UM, IF, IF YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS OR AREAS WHERE YOU THINK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS NEED TO PROVIDE SOME MORE SPECIFIC DIRECTION OR INDICATION OF WHAT WE WANT TO SEE FOR NEXT WEEK.

WELL, I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH PEOPLE.

I THINK WE'RE PRETTY GOOD AT REPEATING PRETTY GOOD COMPENSATION.

WE PROBABLY WANT TO TAKE SOME OF THESE CONCEPTS INTO THIS SPECIFIC BUDGET AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GET IN AND OUT.

IT'S POSSIBLE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION ONE ON ONE NOW.

THAT'S GREAT.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW QUICKLY AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A PRESENTATION FOR IT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, THERE ARE EMS ITEMS FROM SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS TO, TO INCREASE RESOURCES.

AND MY RECOLLECTION FROM TUESDAY WAS THAT THERE WAS, THERE WERE TIMINGS INVOLVED IN THAT.

SO THERE WAS THE EMS PROPOSAL, I THINK, TALKED ABOUT ADDING AN AMBULANCE AT ONE POINT AND THEN ANOTHER SIX MONTHS LATER ADDING ANOTHER AMBULANCE AND BECAUSE NUMBER AUTHORIZED.

SO I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOUR LUNCH, BUT I THINK PRETTY SURE THAT WAS YOUR PROPOSAL.

IF YOU EVEN JUST WANT TO TURN YOUR MIC ON AND WEIGH IN, I'M SORRY.

YOU WANT ME, YOU WANT ME TO OUTLINE WELL, CAN YOU, CAN YOU REMIND THE EMS POLLS THAT YOU PUT OUT AND I'M AFRAID I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME IN THE MOMENT, BUT WHERE YOU LAYING OUT, UH, IT WAS OVER SEVERAL DIFFERENT DATE, TIME POINTS.

SO WE RIGHT NOW HAVE, UM, ONE FULL TIME AMBULANCE COMING ON BOARD IN OCTOBER AND ONE FULL TIME AMBULANCE COMING ONBOARD IN JANUARY OF 21.

AND THEN THE EIGHT FIELD CLINICAL SPECIALISTS WHO ARE STAFFING OUR, OUR, UH, PARAMEDIC CONSULT LINE, WHICH IS SO CRITICAL RIGHT NOW WITH COVID ARE COMING ONLINE IN OCTOBER.

UM, OUR FOUR COMMUNICATION SPECIALISTS ARE COMING ONLINE IN JANUARY, UM, AND OUR FIVE FIELD COMMANDERS ARE COMING ONLINE IN JANUARY.

UM, AND THAT WAS BASED ON WHEN, WHEN EMS AND EMSA THOUGHT WERE THE BEST TIMES, MOST EFFICIENT TIMES FOR THOSE TO BE, UM, ADDED STAFFING WISE.

UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM IF WE THINK WE HAVE, UM, ADDITIONAL MONEY TO BRING THEM ON LINE SOONER, BUT THAT WAS WHERE I HAD GOTTEN THOSE DATES.

UM, AND THEN WE ARE WORKING ON THE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT STAFF AND THAT TIMING, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT DETAIL IRONED OUT.

UM, BUT THAT'S ABOUT, THAT'S UNDER, I THINK ABOUT $300,000 FOR THE SUPPORT STAFF WITH ADDING ALL OF THESE FTES THAT WOULD BE NEEDED.

AND, AND JUST SO FOLKS RECALL WITH EMS, THERE'S A WHOLE BAILING COMPONENT.

AND SO SOME OF THESE SUPPORT STAFF ARE REALLY CRITICAL IF YOU'RE ADDING MORE OF THESE FTES AND MORE OF THESE VEHICLES, ET CETERA.

UM, AS WELL AS JUST THE STAFFING CHALLENGES THEY HAVE WITH, UM, HOW THEY HAVE TO STAFF THINGS, GIVEN THE CURRENT, UM, STAFFING STRUCTURE, SINCE WE'VE NOT YET MOVED TO 24 72 STAFFING.

THAT'S GREAT.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PROPOSAL, WHICH I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR COUNCIL MEMBER KITCHEN OR POOL, BUT I'M A COSPONSOR ON THAT THAT HAS THE CHP THAT WERE LISTED AS POTENTIAL, UM, ADDITIONS AT THE BOTTOM OF, OF, OF THE ORIGINALLY A MESS AMENDMENT.

THERE WAS, WERE PUT IN A SECOND AMENDMENT.

I THINK THAT COMES FROM A RIPPLE AND COUNCIL MEMBER KITCHEN WHERE THE LEAD SPONSORS ON, UM, WHICH I THINK I'M ON TO, AND A COUPLE OF OTHER OTHER FOLKS, UM, WHICH IS ABOUT $700,000 FOR THOSE.

AND I DO NOT KNOW WHEN THOSE COME ONLINE.

AND SHE'S WAITING TO BE ADMITTED.

I THINK SHE'S ATTENDING.

I SEE HER NOW.

GOT IT.

OKAY, GREAT.

UM, TO EMS. UM, WE ALSO HAVE SOME, SOME TIMINGS ON THAT, BUT MOST OF THAT IS COMING ON AND, UM, IT'S TIMING OVER THE TWO YEARS AS OPPOSED TO TIMING, I THINK WITHIN THE YEAR.

AND THEN JIMMY, IF I JUST WANT TO, SINCE THE CFO, THE CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER IS ALSO RELATED,

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UM, BUT WE WILL HAVE THAT WHERE WE'VE BEEN WAITING ON THE NUMBERS SINCE WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE IT FUNDED BY ADDITIONAL, UM, AMBULANCE FEE AND DYLAN'S TRANSPORT FEES.

THAT'S JUST TAKING A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO GET ALL OF THE NUMBERS IN TERMS OF THE FUNDING SIDE FOR, FOR THAT PROPOSAL.

UM, BUT WE'RE ALMOST READY TO GO ON THAT.

AND DO YOU THINK THAT THERE'LL BE THE FEE STUFF I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN? WILL THAT BE READY FOR NEXT WEEK? WE'LL GET THAT ANALYSIS DONE RIGHT NOW.

SO WE MIGHT, WE'VE GOTTA BE READY TO ADOPT THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ADDITIONAL STAFFING THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONNECT THOSE TWO THINGS, I GUESS, IS WHAT I'M SAYING NEXT WEEK, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S VERY EXCITING.

UM, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN BALTA FOR LAYING ALL THAT OUT.

UM, CAUSE REMEMBER CASAR, UH, IN YOUR, OF YOUR, AMONGST YOUR PROPOSALS, ONE OF THEM WAS A CALENDAR AND I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CALENDAR AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THERE'S SOME STUFF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT ARE READY TO GO AND A BUDGET AMENDMENT.

AND THERE'S OTHER STUFF THAT I THINK ARE GOING TO SHOW UP AS BUDGET, RIDERS AND DIRECTION.

ONE OF THOSE ELEMENTS I ASSUME IS GOING TO BE A CALENDAR OF THE WORK MOVING FORWARD.

HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE TO ADD TO THAT? AND I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS, BUT I WANNA HEAR WHAT, WHAT YOUR, WHERE YOU'VE BEEN ON THAT.

NO, I, I, UM, I APPRECIATE THAT CHAIR.

I THINK THAT, UM, THAT WE SHOULD GET TOGETHER AT LEAST QUARTERLY AND POTENTIALLY WE JUST HAVE DESIGNATED ALL COMMITTEE MEETINGS OR SOMETHING TO, TO BE CHECKING UP ON, ON THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ANSWER IN AUGUST.

UM, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE TRICKY FOR ME TO DECIDE WHAT THINGS TO PUT ON THE CALENDAR, GIVEN THAT THERE IS STILL SOME CONTINUED DEBATE ON COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT MIGHT GET DONE IN AUGUST VERSUS SHOULD GET DONE OVER TIME.

UH, BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME REALLY SOME REALLY CLEAR, UM, ONES THAT THE COUNCIL HAS RAISED.

AND I APPRECIATE THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER SAYING THAT SHE WANTS TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY, UM, WHAT THEY THINK, BUT SOME OF THEM THAT WE CAN'T ANSWER RIGHT NOW AND AUGUST ARE THINGS LIKE IF WE DON'T WANT TO POTENTIALLY SOMETIMES ESCALATE PROTESTS BY HAVING SO MANY POLICE, THAT WE WANT TO HAVE SOME OTHER PEOPLE IN THAT ROLE.

UM, UH, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE COST SAVINGS AND HOW WOULD THAT BE IMPLEMENTED? FOR EXAMPLE, THAT MIGHT, THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE NONE OF US HAVE FULLY FLESHED OUT AN IDEA ON, AND WE AREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO GET DONE BETWEEN HERE AND AUGUST 12TH, BUT RATHER THAN POTENTIALLY LIKE HAVING EACH OF THOSE ITEMS IN A, IN A CALENDAR, WE MIGHT JUST WANT TO SET THAT WE'RE GETTING TOGETHER EVERY QUARTER OR SOMETHING AND THEN HAVE A COMMUNITY.

AND THE CITY MANAGER WITH INPUT FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, FLESH THAT OUT AFTER AUGUST 12TH, ESPECIALLY ONCE WE SEEN WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE BUDGET.

SO THAT'S WHERE I SIT NOW, BUT I REALLY WELCOME YELLOWSTONE.

YEAH, I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

MY, MY KIND OF STRAW PROPOSAL ON THAT WOULD BE THAT NEXT WEEK WE CAN ADOPT IN DIRECTION THE SCHEDULE OF BUDGET AMENDMENTS, UH, WITHOUT SPECIFICITY, BUT DIRECTING THE MANAGER TO HAVE STAFF PUT A BUDGET AMENDMENT ITEM ON A COUNCIL MEETING AGENDAS IN NOVEMBER AND FEBRUARY, JUST TO THROW TO NORM TWO MONTHS OUT.

RIGHT? CAUSE I'M, I AM MORE COMFORTABLE WITH QUARTERLY.

I THINK SIX MONTHS IS PROBABLY TOO LONG TO, TO THE MAYOR PRO TEMPS POINT.

IF YOU WAIT SIX MONTHS, WE'VE GOT TO WORK A LOT MORE IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN COMMITTEE MEETINGS CAN THEN FILL THOSE GAPS.

THIS COMMITTEE WOULD BE FILLING THOSE GAPS, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE HEADING INTO THOSE QUARTERLY POSTED BUDGET AMENDMENT ITEMS, WORKING THROUGH WHAT WE THINK COULD BE DONE TO YOUR POINT.

CAUSE IT'S JUST GONNA TAKE A LOT OF WORK, FIGURING OUT WHAT'S READY AT WHAT POINT.

AND I THINK THE OVERLAY FOR ME, AND PART OF IT IS AN AD.

THIS IS GOING TO BE PART OF WHAT I'M HOPING, WE'LL SEE AS, AS STAFF KIND OF GETS INTO A PRO INTO AMENDMENT LANGUAGE WHEN THERE'S A PROPOSAL THAT HAS CUSTOMER ALSO ARTICULATED THAT, THAT IMPLEMENTS OVER TWO YEARS, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS DECIDED IN AUGUST? HOW MUCH OF THAT MIGHT BE DECIDED IN NOVEMBER, HOW MUCH OF THAT MIGHT BE DECIDED IN FEBRUARY? SO IF THERE ARE DECISION POINTS, WE CAN, WE CAN ALSO ATTACH TO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING WE WANT TO DO THINGS NOW, BUT THERE ARE QUESTION MARKS, SAY ON CADET CLASSES, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT.

AND SO IT'LL BE GOOD TO KNOW FOR BUDGET AMENDMENTS WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ADOPT IT IN THE BUDGET, BUT ALSO KIND OF A FIVE THIS DATE IT'S TOO LATE TO UNDO IT.

AND THAT WOULD BE TRUE

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FOR CADET CLASSES.

THAT WOULD BE TRUE FOR JUST KINDA ANY, ANY PROPOSAL THAT DOESN'T START OCTOBER 1ST.

DOES THAT MAKE, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WHAT I'M SAYING? UH, I DO COUNCIL MEMBER.

I DO THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.

I LIKE THE NOTION OF, UM, SORT OF THINKING ABOUT THIS, MAYBE COMING BACK IN NOVEMBER IN JANUARY AND THINKING THROUGH, AND AGAIN, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING EARLIER, WE CAN CERTAINLY, UM, COME TO YOU EITHER IN COMMITTEE OR THE FULL COUNCIL, HOWEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.

BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT ENABLES US.

WE ARE THINKING, UM, TO CONVENE TASK FORCE TUNE.

WE BELIEVE OUR CONSULTANT COULD BE AVAILABLE AS SOON AS AUGUST 17TH AS WELL.

WE ARE ANTICIPATING HOPEFULLY THREE MEETINGS THIS MONTH STILL.

AND HOPING TO THAT FLESH OUT A CALENDAR THAT THEN WE CAN THEN TALK TO YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT DO WE THINK? AND WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE ANSWERS THEN, BUT I DO LIKE THE NOTION OF SORT OF SETTING A PLACE HOLDER FOR QUARTERLY MEETINGS WHERE WE CAN COME AND SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT IT.

AND I THINK TO THAT POINT, YOU COULD KIND OF DO IT ONE OR TWO WAYS.

YOU COULD ADOPT EVERYTHING YOU WANT IN AUGUST PRESUPPOSING.

THE MUSK MUSK CANNOT CHANGE THE ACTOR DATES, OR YOU COULD NOT ADOPT THOSE THINGS, BUT RESERVE THE MONEY, PUT THE MONEY BACK IN BUDGET STABILIZATION, KNOWING THE MUST DECIDE BY DATES.

LIKE THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS TO THINK THROUGH THAT COMES ON.

WHAT'S ADOPTED NEXT WEEK.

COUNCIL MEMBER ALTERED.

SORRY, MY OTHER PHONE'S GOING OFF RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO I APPRECIATE THE QUARTERLY CHECK INS.

UM, I'M NOT SURE EMS IS THE RIGHT EXAMPLE FOR SAYING THINGS GO IN IN JANUARY THERE'S TRAININGS AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN AND THERE'S COVID, AND, AND, AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND I'M NOT SURE I'M VOTING FOR THIS BUDGET IF IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THESE BASICS FOR EMS, BECAUSE I FEEL SO STRONGLY, THEY NEED TO BE IN THERE.

SO I THINK THE IDEA IS SOUND, I WOULD NOT APPLY IT, UM, TO THE EMS STUFF, BECAUSE WHAT WE DID IS WE WORKED DOWN TO THE MOST BARE BONES OF WHAT WE NEEDED, UM, TO MAKE THINGS WORK, UM, AND BE SAFE.

AND, UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HATE FOR THAT TO BE PENALIZED BY NOT GETTING FUNDED BECAUSE WE WERE RESPONSIBLE ABOUT WHEN THINGS CAME ONLINE AND THOUGHT THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PIECES, RATHER THAN ASSUMING IT WAS ALL YEAR.

AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU INTENDED.

I KNOW YOU WERE JUST USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE.

UM, BUT I JUST, I, I FEEL PRETTY STRONGLY ABOUT THAT FOR, FOR EMS. YEAH.

THAT'S GOOD.

THAT'S GOOD CLARITY FOR THE PUBLIC TOO.

CAUSE THAT KIND OF MY POINT AND I HOPE STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IS JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY AN AMBULANCE COMES ONLINE IN JANUARY, DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND MONEY UNTIL JANUARY BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, YOU HAVE TO TRAIN, YOU HAVE TO RECRUIT, YOU HAVE TO DO RIGHT.

AND WE WOULD PROBABLY BE BUYING BOTH AMBULANCES AT THE SAME TIME, BUT THERE'S THE AMBULANCE TAKES A WHILE TO GET DELIVERED.

YOU HAVE ANOTHER AMBULANCE YOU CAN USE, BUT YOU CAN'T GET, YOU HAVE TO BUY THE AMBULANCE AND THEN YOU HAVE TO, BUT YOU CAN'T STAFF TWO AMBULANCES IF THE AMBULANCES DON'T EXIST, BUT YOU MAY HAVE ONE AMBULANCE, YOU CAN STAFF.

SO, SO THERE, THERE THERE'S SOME DETAILS THERE, THE LOGISTICS THAT WE TRIED TO, UM, ACCOMMODATE, UM, IN THERE.

COOL.

THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW COUNCILMEMBER KITCHEN.

I'VE HAD HIS HAND UP.

I'M NOT SURE IF I CALLED ON YOU FIRST.

YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER ALTERS PROPOSAL.

ALRIGHT.

SO, UM, SO YOU WERE CATEGORIZING THE, THE KINDS OF CHANGES THAT WE HAD.

SO, UM, JUST TO, JUST TO, UM, BRING ANOTHER, UH, KIND OF JUST FOR AWARENESS IS THAT, UM, I DID POST TO THE MESSAGE FOR THE, THIS MORNING, THE BUDGET WRITER I HAD TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY AND THAT'S REALLY, UM, A LARGE PART OF THAT IS A SECOND YEAR FUNDING ITEM.

AND IT RELATES TO THE INVESTMENTS IN HOMELESSNESS.

I AM HOPEFUL.

WE CAN MAKE SOME OF THOSE INVESTMENTS THIS YEAR, BUT, UH, BUT MY INTENT AND I, AND I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER COSAR HAS SOMEONE HAS THAT IN HIS, IN HIS PROPOSALS.

BUT MY INTENT WITH MY BUDGET WRITER THIS MORNING IS FOR US TO MAKE A COMMITMENT NOW AND A DIRECTION TO, UM, OUR STAFF NOW TO INCLUDE IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, THE MODEST INVESTMENTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED, UH, BY OUR CONSULTANTS RELATED TO HOMELESSNESS.

IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T WANT TO WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR, UH, FOR DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO SEE THAT THOSE THINGS IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.

SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT CHARACTERIZATION OF TIMELINE, BUT I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS ONE BUDGET WRITER THAT DOES THAT I'M DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN, IN BUDGET WRITERS THAT DIRECT FUTURE, BUT I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO BE COMFORTABLE, UM, BEFORE WE LOSE THE THREAD ON EMS, UH, I JUST WANT TO SEE YOU AND I,

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HERS IS I DO THINK A GOOD, UH, YOU KNOW, STANDARD OF WHAT WE SHOULD GET DONE IN THIS BUDGET.

UM, BUT I DO WANT TO CALL FOLKS ATTENTION TO WHAT I POSTED DOES INCLUDE JUST ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS MORE AS COUNCIL MEMBER ALTER DESCRIBED.

THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS WE CAN DO MORE IF WE CAN FIND MORE MONEY, INCLUDING, UH, GETTING MORE THE DEMAND AMBULANCES TO 24 QUICKER, UH, GETTING TO THE 24 72, UH, QUICKER, UH, WOULD BE ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS, UH, EXTRA.

SO, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE ALL EXPRESSED THAT IF WE CAN DO MORE, WE SHOULD TRY.

UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S IN MIND.

I JUST WANT TO CALL FOLKS ATTENTION TO THAT.

UM, UH, AND THEN SAME THING.

I, I SUPPORT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER KITCHEN.

I WAS SAYING, LET'S DO LET'S MEET THOSE CONSULTANTS REPORT AS SOON AS WE CAN.

UM, I WOULD HATE TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, BUT THEN NOT DO SOME NOW BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE TWO YEARS TO MEET THE GOAL.

SO WE'VE GOT, IF WE WANT TO MEET THE GOAL IN TWO YEARS, WE'VE GOT TO TAKE A BIG CHUNK OUT OF IT.

NOW, UM, I POST IT TO THE MESSAGE BOARD, UM, SOME QUESTIONS OR CRITERIA THAT I SUGGEST THAT WE USE WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHERE TO REALLOCATE THE REALLY LIMITED DOLLARS.

CAUSE OF COURSE I SUPPORT EVERYTHING EVERYBODY HAS POSTED.

I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

AND SO THE THREE QUESTIONS THAT I THINK WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO ME, UH, IN THIS MOMENT ABOUT WHERE TO SEND LIMITED FUNDS, WOULD IT BE TO ASK, DOES IT REDUCE HARM OR VIOLENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT IS, DOES IT MAKE US MORE SAFE? ARE THESE INVESTMENTS THE ONES THAT WILL PUSH EQUITY THE HARDEST TO BE THAT RACIAL, ECONOMIC GENDER, ET CETERA.

UM, YOU KNOW, DOES IT MAKE US MORE JUST, AND FINALLY, WILL THIS REDUCE THE NEED FOR NINE 11 BECAUSE IT PREVENTS CHALLENGES BEFORE THEY HAPPEN, UM, FOR PEOPLE'S HEALTH AND WELLBEING, DOES IT REDUCE THE RELIANCE ON OVER POLICING? BECAUSE CLEARLY IF WE'RE GOING TO BE PULLING DOLLARS OUT OF POLICING, THEN I THINK OUR SHARED GOAL IS TO TRY TO, UM, MAKE UP FOR THIS IN A RE-IMAGINED WAY OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO THOSE THREE QUESTIONS FOR ME, SOME THINGS REALLY, REALLY HIT ALL THREE OF THOSE POINTS.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD PREFER TO CONSIDER THOSE THINGS FIRST FOR LIMITED DOLLARS, UH, AS WE TRY TO SORT OUR PRIORITIES.

AND OF COURSE IT'S THE JOB OF THE DYES FEDERATION TO DELIBERATE WHAT MEETS THOSE THREE, YOU KNOW, WHAT MATTERS TO YOU AND EVERYBODY'S GOT THEIR VOTE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THAT MIGHT BE A USEFUL FRAMEWORK AS WE HEAD INTO THAT, THAT PART, PIECE OF THE WORK AS WELL.

I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT CHARACTERIZATION AND, UH, MAYOR ADLER GETS TO RUN THAT MEETING.

SO I DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS OR CALL ON FOLKS IN WHAT ORDER FOR THAT.

SO GOOD LUCK MAYOR ADLER NEXT WEEK.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MAN? I FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE SOME GOOD WORK TODAY.

I FEEL LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE CLARIFIED CUSTOMER ALTAR.

IF COUNCIL MEMBER HYPER MADISON IS BACK ON.

I WANTED TO ASK IF SHE COULD SPEAK TO THAT, UM, INVESTMENTS THAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH COUNCIL MEMBER POOL, ABOUT THE RECREATION CENTERS ON THE EAST SIDE, I'M HERE.

I JUST CHEWED MY LAST BRUSSEL SPROUTS.

IS THERE ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR YOU'D LIKE FOR ME TO EXPAND UPON THERE? UH, THE FACILITIES INVESTMENTS.

THAT SPACE FOR VIRTUAL LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT, UH, FACILITIES INVESTMENTS A LITTLE BIT MORE PICTURE ON WHAT THOSE ARE.

WELL, SO I THINK A SPECIFIC QUESTION WITH BEING HELPFUL, BUT IF I'M JUST BEING EXTRAORDINARILY BROAD, THERE ARE A LOT OF NEEDS AS FAR AS FACILITIES ARE CONCERNED THAT ARE JUST, UM, SORT OF BASIC NEEDS.

AND THEN SOME OF THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THAT.

SO THE MILLENNIUM YOUTH ENTERTAINMENT COMPLEX, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A $281,000.

UM, THEY THEY'VE BEEN AWARDED $281,000 THAT WE HAVEN'T TO DATE BEEN ABLE TO GIVE, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER CAUSE THEY NEED FIVE TIMES THAT IN ORDER TO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE NEEDS IN THE FACILITY, UM, THE HPAC, THE ROLLER RINK, THE THEATER THAT'S BEEN OUT OF OPERATIONS FOR YEARS AT THIS POINT, UM, BECAUSE THEY WERE OPERATING ON THIS OBSOLETE, REAL, THE REAL SYSTEM, THE ARCADE.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF NEED THERE.

UM, AND THEN I COULD GO ON SPECIFICALLY FOR EACH CENTER, BUT IT'S MOSTLY THAT KIND OF, UM, CAPITALISM.

SO IS IT MOSTLY DEFERRED MAINTENANCE OR IS IT NEW INVESTMENTS? IT'S BOTH, BUT I WOULD SAY MOSTLY DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE MILLENNIUM, UM, BEING ABLE TO REPURPOSE THAT THEATER SPACE, UM, WOULD BE A NEW INVESTMENT OF SORTS.

UM, IT'S A, IT'S A SPACE THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE, BUT THEY CAN'T USE IT HOW IT'S CURRENTLY DESIGNATED.

UM, SO THAT WOULD BE A RELATIVELY NEW EXPENDITURE.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, UM, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW TO, AS EVERYBODY'S MAKING THESE ADAPTATIONS, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW TO REPURPOSE THAT SPACE, THAT WE HAVE THIS GIANT ROLLER RINK, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT COULD BE USED TO THE BOARD IS DISCUSSING HOW THEY CAN REPURPOSE

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UM, AS I MEAN, GIVEN THE SHEER SIZE OF IT, THERE'S SO MUCH IN THE WAY OF POSSIBILITY AROUND DISTANCING AND, YOU KNOW, EXERCISING AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, BUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, OUR SCHOLARS BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE IN WHICH CASE, YOU KNOW, THEM BEING ABLE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS BEING ABLE TO HAVE SOMEBODY MAKE AN ASSESSMENT ABOUT THE VIABILITY OF WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE, UM, THAT THEY'RE TAKING UNDER CONSIDERATION WOULD BE NEW.

SO, UM, I WANT TO THROW OUT THERE AND IDI HAVE THAT WOULD, UM, BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND BUILDING REHABILITATION OF THE MILLENNIUM CENTER AND OTHER RECREATION CENTERS ON THE EAST SIDE, DEPENDING ON HOW FAR THE MONEY WOULD GO.

UM, SO AS PART OF ONE OF OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES, UM, WE SET ASIDE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF FUNDING THAT IS FOR FACILITY, UM, REHABILITATION AND BETTERMENT.

UM, IT'S MOSTLY FOR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND REVIEWING WHAT'S IN THAT ALREADY BUDGETED RIGHT NOW THERE'S, UM, $750,000.

THAT IS BUDGETED.

LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER HERE.

THERE'S $750,000.

THAT BUDGET IS BUDGETED TO IMPROVE THE TRACK AT THE POLICE ACADEMY.

UM, AND SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING AN ACADEMY TILL MARCH OR, OR LATER, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THAT MONEY MIGHT BE BETTER SPENT IMPROVING OUR RECREATION CENTERS ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH PROVIDE THE ALTERNATIVE SPACES FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND OTHERS TO GO, UM, THAT IS MONEY THAT IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO PROGRAM IT, UM, SO THAT IT FITS WITHIN OUR FINANCIAL POLICY, UM, THEN WE COULD, UM, EASILY, UM, REPROGRAM IT.

UM, THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR THE TRAINING CENTER FOR, UM, SOME ITEMS THAT ARE SMALLER, BUT HAVE TO DO WITH BATHROOMS AND FLOORING AND BOILER REPLACEMENTS AND STUFF, WHICH SEEMS LIKE IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

THE TRACK SEEMS TO ME, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE BETTER SPENT ON SOMETHING THAT MANY, MANY PEOPLE WILL BE USING, UM, OVER, OVER THE COURSE OF TIME.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT IS ALSO, UM, ADD, CAN YOU CLARIFY IF THAT MONEY COMES OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE POLICE BUDGET? YEAH, YEAH.

THAT'S COMING OUT OF OUR ON CAPITOL REPORT SEPARATE, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU, BUT YOU SAID BIG DEPARTMENT BUDGET.

WE HAVE A SEPARATE FUND CALLED THE CAPITAL THAT WE PULL 700 AND SOME ODD THOUSAND DOLLARS.

UM, SO THAT FUN THOUGH, THAT MONEY DOES HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON IT.

SO THIS CAN'T JUST BE SPENT ON, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT WE WANT OR FOR ONGOING.

UM, BUT IT'S DESIGNED TO BE HELPING, UM, FOR THESE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THINGS.

UM, IN MY MIND THAT BUDGET HAS VERY LITTLE IN IT FOR PART, UM, IN GENERAL.

AND I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT, UM, USE OF FUNDS FOR US TO SHOW A COMMITMENT, UM, TO ADDRESSING THE RECREATION NEEDS, UM, OF THOSE FROM MY PART, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

UM, IT WAS SOME, SOME GOOD WORK WE ALL DID CREATING THAT FUND.

I NEVER REALLY GOT INTO THE EQUITY DECISIONS AROUND HOW THAT FUND PICKS AND CHOOSES ITS PROJECTS.

I DID WHAT ORDER.

SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT CONVERSATION.

AND I WILL ALSO ADD THAT IF YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE FUND IS GOING THERE IS, UM, THERE IS SOME, SOME MONEY IN THERE FOR EMS FOR VARIOUS EMS NEEDS AS WELL, JUST AS WE'RE TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, A PRIORITY THAT WE ARE PLACING ON, UM, ADDRESSING THOSE NEEDS THERE THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT IS FOR THAT.

UM, BUT I THINK, UM, IT'S ABOUT $2.7 MILLION IN, UM, REHABILITATION WORK FOR EMS THAT'S IN THAT FUND.

SO I THINK THAT'S A, UM, IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY.

UM, THE OTHER FUNDING THINGS ARE FOR THE MUNI COURT, UM, AND THEN VARIOUS, UM, THINGS FOR BUILDING SERVICES THAT ARE SMALLER ITEMS. THERE IS MONEY IN THERE FOR PART, FOR NEW LIGHT POLES.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY ON THE WEST SIDE ANYWAY, BUT THE EAST SIDE YOU CAN PUT THE, YOU CAN PUT IT IN THERE GENERALLY.

VARIOUS PLACES AROUND THE STATE.

SO MAYBE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, HYPER MADISON, UM, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH A PART TO BUILD ON THAT AND SEE HOW FAR WE CAN GET WITH THAT MONEY.

IT MAY JUST BE THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE BEST THING IS TO SAY THAT THIS IS GOING TO REC CENTER NEEDS AND, AND, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE.

AND, UM,

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AND THEN PARKING GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT IN LIFE.

IT WOULD BE MOST IMPACTFUL.

THAT WOULD BE OVER A LONGER TIME PERIOD.

I DON'T THINK THAT HAS TO BE COMPLETELY, UM, PROGRAMMED OUT.

I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO THOSE CONSIDERATIONS.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE LOSE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDITIONALLY, TAKE SOME THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.

WE WERE ALREADY SORT OF OPERATING UNDER THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE BEST CASE SCENARIO HERE.

AND I THINK THAT WAS A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE.

SO LET ME THINK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS AND YOU AND I CAN WORK TOGETHER ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE MOVING FORWARD.

I'M NOT, I DON'T WANT TO PRECLUDE OTHER MONEY IF WE CAN FIND IT OUT.

YOU'RE JUST FINDING, I GUESS WHAT I HAD IDENTIFIED WAS A POT OF MONEY THAT WAS 750,000 THAT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THOSE TYPES OF USES THAT I'VE NOT HEARD OTHER IDEAS COME UP FROM COUNCIL, UM, THAT HAVE TO DO WITH DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.

AND I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THIS POT OF MONEY COULD HELP A LOT FOR PART.

AND SO, UM, I DON'T MEAN IN ANY WAY TO PRECLUDE IF WE CAN IDENTIFY OTHER WAYS TO FUND THOSE OTHER THINGS.

UM, BUT THIS MONEY DOES HAVE CERTAIN CONSTRAINTS ON IT FOR US TO FULFILL OUR FINANCIAL GOALS.

AWESOME.

HEATHER, JUST A QUESTION.

UH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD CATCH AND THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

AND I LIKE, I LIKE THAT LOOKING AT THAT FUND WITH AN EQUITY LENS, WE REALLY HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET.

UM, BUT JUST SO THAT IT'S CLEAR TO ME, THAT'S A FUND THAT RECOGNIZES THE ACHIEVEMENT THAT AS A COUNCIL WE MADE IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE NOW CAUGHT UP ON AND DOING THE MAINTENANCE WORK EVERY YEAR, BUT THAT'S JUST A POLICY, RIGHT.

THERE'S NOT A LEGAL PROHIBITION ON THE USE OF THAT MONEY OR THAT FUND FOR, FOR ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR.

IS THAT RIGHT AT, OR IS THERE A, IS THERE A, UH, SOMETHING THAT WOULD STOP US FROM MOVING IT OUT OF THAT TO SOMETHING ELSE IF WE WANTED TO, IT'S JUST THE POLICY MAYOR BY THAT QUESTION THAT WAS NOT RECOMMENDING THAT WE TAKE.

AND I THINK MAKING SURE THAT WE WERE DOING MAINTENANCE EVERY YEAR TO KEEP UP REPRESENT IS A REALLY GOOD THING.

AND I JUST WANT TO UNDERSCORE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT POLICY SAVES US MONEY, UM, OVER TIME AND IMPROVES WORKING CONDITIONS FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AND, AND, UM, AND, UM, CONDITIONS FOR OUR RESIDENTS IN SOME REALLY IMPORTANT WAYS.

AND WE HAVE SHIFTED NOW IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING TO BE MORE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE AND A LOT OF THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE INVESTMENTS OVER THE YEARS AND THAT IS, UM, SAVING MONEY AND CREATING MUCH, MUCH BETTER.

UM, CONDITIONS HVACS IN TEXAS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.

THEY'RE ALSO REALLY EXPENSIVE AND THEY'RE NOT THE, THEY'RE NOT THE, THE ALWAYS THE SEXIEST THING TO FUND, BUT THEY DO NEED TO BE FUNDED SO THAT, UM, PEOPLE, UM, CAN GO THROUGH THEIR, THEIR WORK LIVES AND, AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF CITY SERVICES.

SO I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF MOVING THAT OUT OF THAT.

IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS BESIDES THE PARK RECREATION CENTERS THAT RISE TO THE LEVEL OF BEING WHERE WE SHOULD SPEND, UM, THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND REHABILITATION MONEY I'M OPEN TO CONSIDERING THEM.

I JUST DON'T, WE SHOULD SPEND IT ON A TRACK.

AND I THINK THAT, UM, PART AND RECREATION, UM, AMENITIES FIXES IS A GOOD PLACE TO, TO DO THAT.

CAUSE REMEMBER CASAR, THANKS COUNCIL MEMBER ALTAR FOR, UH, FOR JUSTIN THAT I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, UH, ON MAINTENANCE AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER HARPER, MADISON.

I THINK THAT IF SOMETHING DOESN'T FALL WITHIN THE MAINTENANCE CATEGORY, UH, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER JUST AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THE MANAGER COMMITTED TO, UH, BY THIS FALL, BRINGING YOU BACK A PLAN ON HOW PARKS BOND DOLLARS COULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE INEQUITABLE LEVELS OF PARK LANDS DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT INCLUDES REC CENTERS, UM, AND PARTS OF THE EASTERN CRESCENT.

AND SO, UH, THOSE DOLLARS TEND TO BE MUCH, NO, THERE'S JUST MORE OF THEM FOR CAPITAL DOLLARS IN THE BONDS THAN SOMETIMES IN THESE INDIVIDUAL BUDGET ITEMS. SO ONE THING FOR US MAYBE TO CONSIDER WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO MOVE SOME OF THIS MONEY FOR MAINTENANCE OVER, AND THEN TO ACTUALLY FORMALIZE WHAT THE MANAGER COMMITTED TO AT LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND A DIRECTION SAYING WE WANT TO PLAN IN THE FALL TO SHOW US ON PARKS DOLLARS.

AND EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO SHIFT THEM AROUND SOME ON HOW IT IS THAT YOU WILL DO THINGS LIKE MAKE, YOU KNOW, REDO THE THEATER SPACE AT THE MILLENNIUM, OR BUILD OUT THAT SOCCER FIELD ON THAT EMPTY PARKS LAND THAT WE'VE HAD FOREVER OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

UM, SINCE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY HAD THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

SO THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO, TO MANAGE ABOUT, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND IF I MAY REAL QUICK, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS IS THERE'S MONEY.

THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ALLOTTED FOR GIVENS

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THERE'S MONEY.

THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ALLOTTED FOR THE CARVER THERE'S MONEY.

THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ALLOTTED FOR THE MILLENNIUM, UM, AND A FEW OTHERS.

UM, THERE'S NO MONEY THAT'S BEEN ALLOTTED FOR WALTER REED LONG, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY A PART OF THE EQUATION.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE, UH, BENEFICIAL FOR US TO GO THROUGH AN ASSET MAPPING PROCESS.

WHAT MONEY'S BEEN ALLOTTED, WHAT MONEY HAS BEEN EXPENDED.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, LESS THAN 2% OF THE MONEY THAT'S BEEN ALLOTTED FOR GIVENS HAS BEEN EXTENDED.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO SORT OF GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE POINTS OF CONSIDERATION AS WE EXPAND ON THIS COUNTRY.

AND I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR A FIELD FROM PUBLIC SAFETY SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.

UM, AND OF COURSE Y'ALL CAN TALK ABOUT WHATEVER YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT.

IT GOES WERE ALL THERE.

SO I JUST DID FIND MY, UM, COPY OF THE POLICY.

AND SO I THINK THERE IS ROOM FOR SOME, UM, ADDITIONAL THINGS, UM, THAT HAVE TO DO WITH BETTERMENT THAT ARE NOT JUST DEFERRED MAINTENANCE TYPE THINGS UNDER THAT POLICY.

UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO THROUGH AN EXERCISE WITH PART AND LOOK AT THAT, UM, BROADLY SPEAKING, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY FOR, UM, MAINTENANCE THAT'S OUTSIDE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A FACILITY KIND OF CONNECTED WITH IT.

UM, SO THAT SHOULD BE FINE FOR LIKE THE INDOOR STUFF.

I DON'T KNOW, UM, FOR WALTER LONG, I THINK IT COULD BE USED FOR THAT, BUT CERTAINLY, UM, THERE COULD BE A DISCUSSION OVER THE BEST USE OF, OF ALL OF THE PARKS MONEY THAT ARE AVAILABLE, UM, INCLUDING THAT.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO FLAG THAT I SAW SOMETHING NEW IN THERE OR WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'VE DONE GREAT ON TIME TODAY, FOLKS, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED ALL THE CONCEPTS THAT HAVE BEEN COME OUT.

I HEAR FROM STAFF THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN PRESENT TO US VOTABLE ITEMS, UH, FOR US TO DO IN OUR FINAL DELIBERATIONS NEXT WEEK.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONCEPTS THAT, THAT HAVEN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP STUFF THAT WE SHOULD BE ACKNOWLEDGING SPECIFICALLY IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY REALM, UM, THAT FOLKS ARE PLANNING TO BRING NEXT WEEK, THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT FOLKS MIGHT HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER, HOW MADISON, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO FIELD SOME QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES, IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF UN-CLARITY, UH, OR UNCERTAINTY ABOUT WHAT DIRECTION WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO GO WITH THE, UH, AMENDMENT THAT I'M GOING TO BRING FORWARD ABOUT, UH, RE UH, ABOUT SIX MONTHS WORTH OF THE BUDGET BEING ALLOCATED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET AND SIX MONTHS BEING HELD IN A, IN A SEPARATE RESERVE, UM, BUCKET.

UH, I'D LIKE TO JUST TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS HERE OR OFFLINE COUNCILMEMBER KITCHEN.

WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S, IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO DO THAT.

UM, I'M JUST, I'M NOT, UM, THANK YOU FOR INVITING THAT KELSEY, BARBARA HARPER, MADISON, THAT, UM, I'M JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT MEANS.

AND SO MAYBE ED COULD SPEAK TO THAT FOR US.

UM, DOES THAT, DOES THAT PRESENT ANY ISSUES FOR US OR, UM, UH, IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN JUST ADOPTING A BUDGET, BUT THEN I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND UP HERE, HERE IN THAT PROPOSAL, I'M HEARING A PROPOSAL FROM COUNCIL MEMBER PLANNING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE THE SAME PROPOSAL OR NOT, WHICH WAS TO, UM, WAS TO, TO SAY, IS THE PROPOSAL TO ONLY ADOPT SIX, SIX MONTHS FOR THE ENTIRE APD BUDGET AND PUT ALL OF IT IN RESERVES OR IS THE PROPOSAL TO SAY HERE'S THE SET OF THINGS THAT WE KNOW WE WANT TO EXAMINE.

UM, AND MORE DETAIL THAT WE KNOW THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVED.

UM, AND THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO HOLD THE BUDGET FOR THOSE ITEMS, WHICH IS, I THOUGHT I HEARD HILTON, WE WERE PLANNING AND SAY THAT.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THESE ARE THE SAME PROPOSALS OR IF THERE'S SOME DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, OR MAYBE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THEM AT ALL.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE.

ONE IS FOR COUNCIL MEMBER FLANNIGAN.

ONE IS FOR ED AND THEN THE LATTER, I THINK, WOULD BE FOR ME, IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL CLARITY THAT YOU NEED.

SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO NEAR PRETEND.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO WEIGH IN? YEAH, I HAVE, UM, ADDITIONAL SIMILAR QUESTIONS TO COUNCIL MEMBER KITCHEN AND THAT I DON'T, IT HONESTLY SOUNDS LIKE THE MADISON FLANAGAN CASAR, UM, PROPOSALS ARE THE SAME IN SO MANY WAYS BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, CATHERINE FLANAGAN, YOU LAID OUT, UM, YOURS, WHICH I'M STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES.

AND THEN, UM, IN READING AND HEARING COUNSELOR STARS, IT ALSO RECOGNIZES THAT WHILE WE, IT, FOR ME, IT GIVES THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT THINGS THAT SHOULD NOT BE UNDER THE APD UMBRELLA

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AND SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LIKE A SIMILAR DELAYED, I DON'T WANT TO SAY DELAYED.

SO I'M STILL, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S SO MANY SIMILARITIES IN, IN EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THE TABLE AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND CANCER CAUSE, AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY, I GUESS, FOR COUNCILMEMBER HARVARD MEDICINE, ARE WE SAYING 440 MILLION? W YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO BE ALLOCATED TO 220 MILLION? LIKE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE HALF PART, LIKE, IS IT, ARE WE SAYING YOU WERE ONLY FUNDED FOR SIX MONTHS AND THEN MAYBE ED HAS TOUCHED ON THIS ABOUT THE LEGALITIES OF, I WE'RE REQUIRED TO, WE REQUIRED TO FUND FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR IS MY UNDERSTANDING IN OUR BUDGET.

UM, SO THEN I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BETTER.

AND THEN, UM, ARE WE SAYING IT'S LIKE A BUDGET WRITER WHERE WE SAY WE ARE ALLOCATING YOU AND I KNOW THESE, AREN'T THE EXACT NUMBERS.

YOU'RE GETTING YOUR 440 MILLION, BUT WE'RE COMING BACK IN SIX MONTHS AND, AND, AND, AND CHANGING THE REST OF THE SIX MONTHS.

THERE'S JUST A LOT OF CONFUSION ON WHAT THE SIX MONTHS MEANS FOR ME.

DO YOU MIND IF I ADDRESS THAT CUSTOMER OF OUR MEDICINE? UM, SO I, I THINK, I THINK YOU'VE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE HIT THE KIND OF THE, THE RIGHT PLACE.

THERE MAY PRETEND I'M HEARING THE SIMILARITIES TOO.

AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S A, UH, KIND OF A GENERAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THE WORK DOESN'T END NEXT WEEK, THAT THE WORK CONTINUES.

AND IT'S MORE OF A MECHANISM QUESTION ON HOW WE SET UP THOSE CONTINUING CONVERSATIONS AND THOSE CONTINUING WORK.

AND, AND I, I POORLY ARTICULATED IT EARLIER IN THE MEETING, BUT IT'S, THERE ARE, THERE'S AN OPTION THAT SAYS ALLOCATE THE WHOLE BUDGET AND, AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY REALLOCATE NEXT WEEK.

JUST, JUST ALLOCATE IT OUT.

AND THEN YOU SCHEDULE OUT YOUR BUDGET AMENDMENTS AND YOU MAKE CHANGES TO THE BUDGET.

THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE MOST STRAIGHTFORWARD.

THEN YOU HAVE A VERSION OF IT THAT SAYS MOST OF THAT BUDGET, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOCATE.

THERE ARE PARTS THAT ARE DECISION POINTS, CADET CLASSES, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, RIGHT.

INSTEAD OF PUTTING THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR CADET CLASSES, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, OR INSTEAD OF NOT PUTTING THE MONEY IN CADET CLASSES, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, AND PUTTING IT INTO EMS, PUT IT INTO RESERVES AND DECIDE IN THREE MONTHS.

THAT'S ANOTHER VERSION.

ANOTHER VERSION IS TO SAY, THIS QUESTION IS EVEN BIGGER THAN THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO APPROVE ANY BUDGET BEYOND SIX MONTHS.

AND I WANT TO SAY SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, THEY'RE THERE THAT THE WHOLE COUNCIL HAS TO READOPT WITH SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN SIX MONTHS.

AND SO THERE ARE DEFINITELY SIMILARITIES.

THEY'RE KIND OF HEIGHTENED LEVELS OF IMPACT AND CONSEQUENCE BECAUSE REMEMBER MADISON DOES THAT GENERALLY REFLECT WHERE YOUR, WHAT, WHAT YOUR PROPOSAL SAYS GENERALLY IT'S HELPFUL.

UM, BUT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, JUST TO BE ENTIRELY CLEAR, LIKE YOU'VE LAID OUT, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE ITERATIONS IN MY MIND'S EYE, THE LAST ITERATION, THE V3 OF THE ITERATIONS YOU LAID OUT, IT WAS THE SORT OF THE SOURCE, THE MOTIVATION, THE LET'S NOT DO ANYTHING BEYOND HALF.

UM, AND, AND I THINK ANOTHER POINT OF CLARITY THAT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK OUT AND THAT'S MY HESITATION WITH, YOU KNOW, REALLY SAYING TOO MUCH.

CAUSE I HATE FOR PEOPLE TO SEE ALL THE, YOU KNOW, WORKING ITERATIONS, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IN TERMS OF WORKING OUT, UM, WHAT THE PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF THE PROPOSAL ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE, WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT CAN'T WE DO? I THINK, UM, ANOTHER THING THAT I WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN TO ADDRESS IN THAT IS, UH, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT NUMBER LOOK LIKE IF, AND WHEN WE INCLUDE ALL THE AMENDMENTS THAT WILL COME TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT, DOES THAT CHANGE THE AMOUNT THAT GOES INTO RESERVES? AND DOES THAT AFFECT THE AMOUNT THAT WE ARE SETTING ASIDE, UM, AS AN APPROVAL FOR THE FIRST SIX MONTHS? AND SO THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE STILL KIND OF WORKING THE KEY STEP, UH, CAUSE IN MY MIND'S EYE, IT SEEMS TO ME IS, AND THIS IS PROBABLY AN ED QUESTION.

IT SEEMS TO ME AS THOUGH WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BY MONDAY, BUT YOU KNOW, THE 10TH, WHEN WE'VE ALL SUBMITTED OUR AMENDMENTS, BE ABLE TO CALCULATE WHAT THE TOTAL IS ON THOSE AMENDMENTS AND SUBTRACT THAT NUMBER FROM THE, THE BIG NUMBER AND THEN MAKE THE DETERMINATION ABOUT WHAT GETS ALLOCATED BY WAY OF THE SIX MONTH BUDGET AND WHAT GOES INTO A RESERVE.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE QUESTION MARKS FOR ME TOO, THAT I KNOW THAT, UM, SOME FOLKS HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT,

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AND I THINK THERE WERE SEVERAL QUESTIONS AS THAT YOU CAN HELP WITH.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE KEEPING TRACK, UH, BUT, UM, AT MAYOR PRO TEM HAS SOME QUESTIONS THAT I THINK YOU COULD HELP WITH.

AND THEN, UM, OUR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER KITCHEN ALSO ASK SOME QUESTIONS THAT I THINK YOU CAN HELP SORT OF BUILD OUT HER CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE SIX MONTHS.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND I THINK MAYOR PRETEND THE QUESTION WAS, DO WE HAVE TO, UM, UH, ALLOCATE THE FULL YEAR'S FUNDING? CAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE DID NOT HAVE TO, THAT WE COULD GO FOR JUST THE SIX MONTHS, WHICH WAS SORT OF THE MOTIVATION FOR THIS TIMING, RECOGNIZING THAT WE HAVE THE MANDATORY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO REVISIT THIS IN SIX MONTHS ANYWAY.

SO THE SIX MONTHS WAS AN ARBITRARY.

IT WAS RECOGNIZING, YOU KNOW, ONE LIKE A MAYOR PRO TEM SAID, WE NEED MORE TIME TO DELIBERATE.

THE FACT THAT WE'RE A MONTH, LESS THAN WE SHOULD BE, IS REALLY PROBLEMATIC IN A LOT OF WAYS, ESPECIALLY IF, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL SAYING THE SAME THING.

WE ALL WANT TRUE TRANSFORMATIONAL CHANGE AS WE ADDRESS RE-IMAGINING PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, 30 LESS DAYS IS REALLY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT.

AND SO I REALLY DO WANT TO BUY US SOME MORE TIME TO MORE CAREFULLY EXAMINE DELIBERATE AND BE REALLY INTENTIONAL.

UM, BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT PEOPLE DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT MEANS, UM, SOMEHOW THERE'S A, AND I APPRECIATE THAT SHE CLARIFIED LIKE THE DELAY.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION, THAT'S THE CONCERN FOR FOLKS.

UM, AND I'M GOING TO FIND A WORD THAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT, GIVE PEOPLE THAT, UM, SORT OF REFLEX REACTION.

UM, BUT YEAH, IN ANY, ANY TECHNICAL INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN BUILD OUT THERE WOULD BE HELPFUL.

MARY, YOU WANT TO JUMP IN BEFORE ED RESPONSE? HOLD ON.

YOU GOT YOURSELF MUTED.

UH, YEAH, JUST CAUSE I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE ADD TOO.

I ACTUALLY SUPPORTED, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HOPPER MADISON'S, UH, PROPOSAL.

AND I KNOW WE'RE FLESHING ALL THESE THINGS OUT.

UM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I HAD IN MY MIND'S EYE WHEN COUNSEL UPPER MADISON SPOKE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT RELATES TO WHAT'S IN HER MIND'S EYE OR IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO.

UH, BUT, BUT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD WISE AS YOU PASS THE, THE BUDGET FOR THE YEAR, THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE IN PLAY WOULD BE IN A TRANSITION BUDGET, WHICH IS JUST A CATEGORY OR AN AGGREGATION OF THOSE ITEMS, WHICH YOU COULD TOTAL, BUT THEY'RE THE, THE, THE BUDGET IS A YEAR BUDGET, BUT IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NEVER A DEFAULT SCENARIO, IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T GET ITS ACT TOGETHER, THAT YOU GO MORE THAN SIX MONTHS, YOU DON'T AUTHORIZE THE ACTUAL EXPENDITURE OUT OF THE BUDGET BEYOND THAT SIX MONTH PERIOD OF TIME.

SO THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TOGETHER AGAIN TO ACTUALLY AUTHORIZE THE EXPENDITURE.

THE BUDGET WOULD STILL BE ADOPTED.

IT WOULD STILL BE A YEAR BUDGET, BUT IT WOULD AUTHORIZE THE EXPENDITURE OF THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF BOTH THE POLICE ITEM BUDGET.

THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD ORDINARILY HAVE BEEN SPENT IN THE FIRST HALF YEAR AND IN THE TRANSITION BUDGET, THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD BE SPENT IN THE FIRST HALF YEAR, BUT THE COUNCIL HAS TO MEET AGAIN TO AUTHORIZE THE EXPENDITURES FOR THE REMAINING SIX MONTHS.

AND I SAW THAT AS WHAT I HEARD ON THAT, THAT I LIKED WAS HOW IT CHANGED THE DEFAULT BECAUSE THE DEFAULT WAS IS THAT THERE WERE NO EXPENDITURES AUTHORIZED AFTER THE BUDGETED ITEMS FOR THE SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR WERE NOT AUTHORIZED TO BE SPENT, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE BUDGETED AND ALLOCATED.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WORKS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHERE COUNCIL HARPER MADISON HAD IN MIND, BUT I LIKED THAT ABOUT WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS.

I KNOW ED IS BITING HIS TONGUE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE FOLKS HAVE, WELL, YOU CAN ANSWER, I'LL GET MORE SPECIFIC.

HE CAN ANSWER THAT.

SO IN THAT SCENARIO THAT THE MAYOR DESCRIBED AND OTHERS HAVE DESCRIBED, IS THERE IMPACT IN THAT SCENARIO ON THE NEW HIRES THAT WE WANT TO MAKE.

SO AN EXAMPLE IS THE MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM, UM, JUST DOES THAT, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND HIRE AND GET THEM STARTED? WHEN IN, WHEN, WHEN WE, IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, WE HAVEN'T APPROVED THEM FOR A WHOLE YEAR.

I WAS THINKING MORE IN TERMS OF WE APPROVED, WE APPROVED THE PARTS OF THE BUDGET THAT WERE NOT AT ISSUE AND WENT AHEAD AND IMPROVE THEM FOR THE WHOLE YEAR.

THEN WE CREATED THAT BUCKET.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER OF OUR PERMIT MADISON, AND WE CREATED THAT BUCKET.

AND THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE MAYBE NOT AUTHORIZED FOR THE WHOLE YEAR.

SO MY QUESTION FOR ED IS WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS FOR WANTING TO HIRE AND GET STARTED ON THESE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE SAID THAT IT'S NOT JUST MENTAL HEALTH EMS IS IN THE SAME

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BOAT TOO, IN TERMS OF HIRING NEW PEOPLE THE WAY I'M UNDERSTANDING IT, VERY PROPOSALS.

I DON'T THINK THERE'D BE ANY IMPLICATIONS OR CONSEQUENCES OR WHAT YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT.

WE MAINTAIN IT.

UM, THE BUDGET IN OTHER AREAS.

THERE'S MORE REASON FOR THE NEED ADDITION, REMAKING THE MENTAL HEALTH TO BE IMPACTED ANY WAY BEYOND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, I WOULD REQUEST THE COUNCIL, GIVE IT SOME TIME TO WORK ON THIS.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'VE EVER DONE BEFORE, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M AWARE OF HAPPENING.

OTHER PLACES ARE, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS IN STATE LAW, UM, ABOUT WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO.

AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UM, DOING EVERYTHING CORRECTLY.

UM, I FEEL LIKE I FULLY UNDERSTAND, AND THEY CAN'T REMEMBER PLANNING.

IT DID A GOOD JOB LAYING OUT DIFFERENT OPT-INS AND UM, HEARING WHAT COUNCIL IS WANTING TO ACCOMPLISH.

AND I WOULD JUST ASK THEM, GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO WORK WITH OUR LAW OFFICE TO DETERMINE HOW WE CONSTRUCT THIS IN A WAY THAT ALL LEGALLY APPROPRIATE AND COMPETENCY.

THANK YOU, ADAM.

AND I, I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE CAST MEMBER TOVO HAS JOINED THE MEETING.

SO IF YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN JUST A TEMPORARY PANEL, YOU HAVE THE, I HADN'T UPGRADED.

YOU WENT TO THE MEETING.

YEAH, BUT YOU'VE BEEN, YOU'VE BEEN WITH US, JUST NOT IN THE SCREEN.

THAT'S FINE.

BUT BE CAREFUL, IT GOES TO THE START PLANNING WITH YOUR BUTTONS THAT, UM, AND MAY I THINK YOU'RE MUTED AND IT'S MAKING SOME NOISE, RIGHT? UM, I, I THINK THERE ARE THREE CONCEPTS ON THE TABLE AND I THINK AS A MAYOR PRO TEM SET ALL COMPATIBLE, UM, ONE CONCEPT IS, UM, IS DECOUPLING FUNCTIONS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR REALLOCATE AND REALLOCATING FUNDS AWAY FROM POLICING TO OTHER THINGS.

UM, AND I, FOR ONE CAN ONLY VOTE FOR A BUDGET IF WE ARE DOING THAT AND MOVING MONEY INTO THINGS LIKE EMS AND THE FAMILY VIOLENCE SHELTER AND VIOLENCE PREVENTION, UH, AND YOU KNOW, THOSE SORTS OF NEEDS.

I CAN ONLY VOTE FOR A BUDGET IF WE'RE ACTUALLY MOVING MONEY OVER TO THOSE FORMS OF SAFETY, BUT THAT DOESN'T STOP US ALSO FROM DOING THE SECOND THING.

AND THE THIRD THING, THE SECOND THING BEING, UM, ONLY IF WE LEGALLY CAN ONLY AUTHORIZING EXPENDITURES FOR SIX MONTHS SO THAT WE CAN COME AND CHECK BACK IN, IN SIX MONTHS ON A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO SHOW PROGRESS ON.

YOU KNOW, IF WE SEPARATE INTERNAL AFFAIRS, IF WE SEPARATE FORENSICS, HOW IS THAT GOING? IF WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT PARKS, POLICING, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO CHECK IN ON THAT, ON THOSE THINGS.

UM, AND WE HAVE THIS QUARTERLY CALENDAR SO WE CAN HOPEFULLY BE CHECKING IN BEFORE TOO.

AND THEN THE THIRD THING, WHICH I THINK IS RELATED, BUT A BIT SEPARATE THAT THE MAYOR HAS MENTIONED IS IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE STILL IN CONTENTION, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE STILL NOT FIGURED OUT HOW TO PHASE OUT OR TRANSITION OVER HAVING A RE-IMAGINING SAFETY BUDGET LINE OR TRANSITION FUND THAT WE ARE CHIPPING AWAY AT.

ALONG AMONGST THAT CALENDAR, I'M FINE WITH TWO.

UM, UH, BUT, AND I THINK WHERE SOME OF THE, UM, POTENTIAL MISCOMMUNICATION HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN THAT WE HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE OF THOSE THREE VERSUS THE OTHERS.

WHEN IN FACT WE CAN DO ALL THREE OF THEM, THIS BUDGET, AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SORT OUT OF THE DIOCESE, HOW MUCH OF EACH ONE DO WE DO? UM, AND AGAIN, I'LL, I THINK I'VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT I, I, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A BUDGET IF ALL WE DO IS NUMBER THREE OR ALL WE DO IS NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE TO ALSO START DOING SOME OF THE REALLOCATION AND DECOUPLING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO DO RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT TRANSITION AND THAT SIX MONTHS FOR THINGS, WE CAN'T DO IT OUT NOW EXAM.

AND THEN SEE WHERE WE ARE IN HAVING WHAT I HOPE IS HAVING SHIFTED INVESTMENT INTO, UM, FAMILY VIOLENCE, INTO FOOD, ACCESS INTO ALL THESE COMMUNITY THINGS THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS ACTUALLY BEEN ASKING FOR FOR YEARS.

WELL, AS I'VE SAID AT CUSTOMER SERGEANTS THAT I THINK THEY'RE ALL SO SIMILAR.

I THINK WHAT I'M MISSING IN HEARING IN THE SIX MONTHS, UM, TRANSITION PERIOD IS HOW WE INVEST IN OTHER AREAS OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING IN THE SIX MONTH IS WE'RE JUST GOING TO WAIT SIX MONTHS.

AND I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT THE DETAILS ON HOW WE ARE SHIFTING THE PUBLIC SAFETY FOCUS.

I THINK I COULD HAVE HER START TO SAY THE EXACT SAME THINGS, BUT I'VE JUST, I WAS, I HAD RAISED MY HEAD IN THAT.

UM, I DON'T SEE THAT PART IN THE SIX, SIX MONTHS AND THAT'S WHAT, WHAT CONCERNS ME THE MOST.

AND SO I, AND, AND WHERE I THINK WE ARE SO CLOSE IS THAT WE, WE REALLY DO HAVE TO MAKE SOME HARD DECISIONS AND HARD VOTES IN THIS NEXT WEEK

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THIS IS NOT, THIS HAS BEEN VARIOUS MEETINGS WITH COMMUNITY ADVOCATES ASKING FOR THAT SHIFT IN PUBLIC SAFETY INVESTMENT IN HOW WE THINK ABOUT IT.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M STILL MISSING.

THAT'S NOT HEARING IN THE, IN THE SIX MONTH, UM, PROPOSAL FOR ME, IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE JUST WAITING.

AND, AND THAT'S WHERE I, I CAN'T GET TO THAT, UM, SUPPORTED THAT, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S THE SAME THING.

IT'S JUST, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SOME REALLY TOUGH DECISIONS TO SEE WHERE TO SHOW THAT WE ARE MAKING, WHERE WE'RE SHIFTING INVESTMENT.

AND I DON'T SEE THAT THAT'S ANOTHER KITCHEN.

THIS DISCUSSION IS HELPING ME.

UM, TO BE CERTAIN THAT WE HAVE RESOURCES, UM, THAT SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO COMPLETE THE EVALUATION AND PREPARATION OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE THE MIDYEAR BUDGET AUTHORIZATION PROCESS.

I LIKE THE WAY YOU, YOU DEFINED IT IN THE THREE BUCKETS.

AND, UM, I AGREE.

UH, AND THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEMP FOR ARTICULATING WHAT YOU'RE THINKING AS, UM, I, I NEED TO DO ALL THREE.

UM, AND, UM, I REALLY WANT TO SEE ACTUALLY MOVING DOLLARS INTO SOME OF THESE OTHER PROGRAMS, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I SEE THAT WE ACTUALLY GET SOMETHING DONE.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING.

I'M JUST TRYING TO ARTICULATE WHERE I'M AT.

SO, UM, I DON'T SEE THESE THREE THINGS AS, UH, INCONSISTENT, AND I THINK WE CAN DO ALL THREE AND THAT'S WHERE I'D LIKE TO BE.

UM, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO DECIDE HOW MUCH WE CAN MOVE RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND THEN WHICH ONES WE WANT TO TEE UP.

AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT MY BUDGET AMENDMENT ABOUT THE HOMELESS, UM, UH, INVESTMENTS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T DO ALL OF THAT THIS YEAR, BUT, UM, BUT I THINK WE CAN COMMIT TO IT THIS YEAR.

I WANT TO SEE SOME COMMITMENTS MADE BY THIS COUNCIL TO WHAT WE WANT TO SEE HAPPEN.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

REMEMBER HOPPER MADISON.

THERE IT IS.

THANK YOU AGAIN, FOR SOME REASON, IT'S LIKE, IT'S, IT'S STICKY, I'M PUSHING IT, BUT IT WON'T UNMUTE.

UH, I, I, I APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT AND I'M GLAD I BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN ARTICULATED THUS FAR, I MIGHT EVEN HURT MY NECK NODDING IN AGREEMENT.

SO HARD.

CAUSE ALL OF THAT, ESPECIALLY THE WAY THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CASSARA WAS WAY WAS ABLE TO LAY IT OUT.

AND SO THE WAY I HAD ARTICULATED IT WAS, UM, TAKE ALL THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW WE WANT TO DO.

AND HE MORE ELOQUENTLY EXPRESSED THAT WHERE THOSE DOLLARS ARE GOING AND WHAT OUR SHARED DESIRE FOR COMMUNITY INVESTMENT LOOKS LIKE.

AND SO YES, ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS AND EXACTLY THAT THING.

UM, AND SO, AND, AND YES, UH, TO BE A PRETENTIOUS QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPOSAL IS THAT WE JUST WAIT SIX MONTHS, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY THE ANTITHESIS OF THAT.

LIKE, NO, NOT THAT AT ALL.

AND SO, UM, I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY COMPLETELY FLESHED OUT THE AMENDMENT IN ITS ENTIRETY.

AND SO I'VE BEEN INTENTIONALLY VAGUE CAUSE I REALLY, I REALLY, REALLY JUST TRY TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THE INFORMATION THAT WE SHARE, ESPECIALLY IF I'M CONCERNED THAT IT MAY POTENTIALLY SHIFT.

UM, BUT, UM, JUST A COUPLE OF BULLETS THAT ARE HELPFUL EVEN WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, A COMPLETED DRAFT OF THE, UM, A COMPLETED DRAFT OF THE AMENDMENT, UH, WOULD BE AS, SO WE'D LIKE TO EMPOWER DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, NEW AREA, UH, RIBERA, VANDER, MINE, UM, UH, WORKING ALONGSIDE THE POLICE MONITOR, UM, OFFICE POLICE OVERSIGHT, UM, FAIR MUSKEGON TO, UH, WORK THROUGH THEIR PROCESS IN ORDER TO, AND THEN IF THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS FOR THEM TO ACCOMPLISH, EVALUATE AND RECOMMEND AS APPROPRIATE TRANSITION TIMELINE AND LOGISTICS OUT OF APD OF ITEMS LAID OUT IN THE TRANSITION BUDGET.

SO THAT COUNCIL IS IN A POSITION TO VOTE ON THOSE ITEMS PRIOR TO, OR AS A PART OF MIDYEAR BUDGET AUTHORIZATION IN SIX MONTHS.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S PRIOR TO, OR, UM, AS A PART OF, I THINK IT'S BOTH LIKE, YOU KNOW, I THINK VERY MUCH LIKE A COUNCIL MEMBER COULD STARTED LAID OUT, UM, TO EVALUATE AND RECOMMEND ADDITIONAL ITEMS FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, UM, TO REALLY ACHIEVE THAT REIMAGINING OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO COUNCIL IS IN A POSITION TO VOTE ON THOSE ITEMS. UM, UH, AND THEN, UH, WITH AN ESTABLISHED TIMELINE OF NO LONGER THAN SIX MONTHS AFTER THE AUGUST BUDGET ADOPTION, UM, WITH TRANSPARENCY, UH, SUPER TRANSPARENT STRUCTURE AND A CALENDAR, WHICH COUNCIL MEMBER PLANNING.

AND I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THIS ONE EARLIER AS WELL.

UM, THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT PUBLIC INPUT THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT AND, YOU KNOW, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

UM, THE UNDERMINE DEFINITELY TOUCHED ON THAT,

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UM, INCLUDING OBVIOUSLY, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, UH, STAFF SUPPORT, RESEARCH, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, PARTICIPATION, UM, RETENTION OF CONSULTANTS, IF NEED BE.

UH, AND THEN FINALLY, I THINK ONE MORE POINT IN CONSIDERATION AND, AND YOU KNOW, MY HOPE IS THAT SORT OF THINKING THROUGH THIS WITH YOU, I'LL YOU SEE WHERE MY, WHERE MY HEAD IS AT AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED AND IT ANSWERS SOME QUESTIONS.

SO STAFF SHOULD BE ABLE TO REPORT TO THE PUBLIC AND TO CITY COUNCIL, FRANKLY, PERIODICALLY AS APPROPRIATE WITH FINAL REPORT ISSUED AT LEAST ONE MONTH PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF THE COUNCIL'S PUBLIC MIDYEAR BUDGET PROCESS.

SO THAT'S NOT ALL, IT'S A SHORT, A SHORT LIST OF POINTS OF CONSIDERATION, BUT THAT'S THE GENERAL DIRECTION.

AND I HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL.

UM, WE INTEND TO POST AMENDMENTS TOMORROW.

SO IF THAT'S NOT AS CLEAR AS IT NEEDS TO BE, MY HOPE IS THAT WHEN WE POST THE AMENDMENTS, WE'LL GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA ABOUT DIRECTION AND, UM, UH, WHAT THINGS WE HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT COUNCILMEMBER FLANAGAN, MAYOR PRO TEM GARZA, COUNCIL MEMBER, KITCHEN COUNCIL MEMBER CASAR.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT ANY OF YOU ALL SAID THAT I WOULD DISAGREE WITH.

IT'S ALL OF THIS.

DID YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN? WE'VE GONE A FULL ROUND PRACTICALLY.

I WOULD JUST MAYBE WEIGH IN AGAIN, IF THERE ARE SOME COMPLICATING FACTORS HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT APPROPRIATION IT'S, IS THIS JUST OUR FANCY LANGUAGE, THIS PLANNING AUTHORITY, ONE COUNCIL AGREED THE BUDGET.

THAT'S THE SAME THING THAT YOU'RE DOING.

IF YOU'RE MOVING APPROPRIATIONS STAFF WAS SPENDING TO ADVANCE ITS PROGRAMS, UM, THAT PLAYS INTO OUR TAX RATE SETTING.

AND SO TO ONLY SPARKLY APPROPRIATE, SOME OF THE FUNDS PLAYS INTO THE TAX RATE.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT YEAR AND THERE IS A LOT OF YOU JUST MUFFLED IT.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHY YOUR MIKE'S HAVING A HARD TIME PICKING YOU UP AT HIS MUFFLE.

WE WOULD MOVE THE MONEY AND STILL ARE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE DOING WITH THE FORENSIC LAB IN THE FIRST ON OCTOBER 1ST OR WHENEVER THE DAY IS.

UM, SHOULD I START OVER? YOU'RE GOOD.

KEEP GOING.

SO SORRY.

I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT, UM, UM, HELP TO GIVE US SOME TIME TO WORK WITH LAW OFFICE AND WORK THROUGH THE DETAILS.

UH, POWER APPROPRIATION WOULD WORK IF THERE'S ANY ASPECT OF STATE LAW THAT WANT TO SAVE ON THIS SPEAK TO ON ADOPTING AN ANNUAL BUDGET.

SO HOW DOES THIS PLAY INTO THAT? UM, THAT MY, MY BIGGEST THING I WANT TO SURE.

IT'S HOW THIS LITTLE BLACK MARK WE'RE GOING TO APPROPRIATE LESS THAN FULL AMOUNT, THE TAX RATE.

AND THEN HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO THE MAXIMUM RATE WHEN WE'RE READY TO COUNSEL ON THE TOP, AND THEN YOU DON'T WANT TO BE HAVING BE OVER AND ABOVE YOUR ADOPTION RATES.

NOW THIS IS KIND OF A COMPLICATED DYNAMIC AND, UM, I THINK WE NEED SOME TIME TO WORK MAYOR ADLER.

WHAT I, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT GREG SAID.

I WAS ALSO THINKING OF THIS AS, AS BEING ABLE TO DO MULTIPLE KINDS OF THINGS.

I ALSO AGREE THAT SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO NOW, AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE.

UH, AND I WASN'T THINKING IN TERMS OF NOT APPROPRIATING THE WHOLE YEAR'S BUDGET, BUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT HAVING APPROPRIATED A WHOLE YEAR BUDGET THE COUNCIL, CAN'T ALSO INSTRUCT THAT BEFORE THERE ARE ACTUAL EXPENDITURES MADE FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR, YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

WE CAN APPROPRIATE A YEAR BUDGET AND NOT HAVING SAID ANYTHING.

YOU CAN JUST GO SPEND THOSE MONIES SOMETIMES WITH CONTRACTS OVER THE YEAR, YOU COME BACK FOR HER FOR COUNCIL APPROVAL.

SO IT WOULD BE IN THE NATURE OF THAT AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

SO YOU WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THE WHOLE YEAR BUDGET.

YOU WOULD BE DOING THE TAX RATE TO RAISE THE MONEY FOR THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE FULL APPROPRIATION.

THERE JUST WOULDN'T BE AUTHORITY TO ACTUALLY THEN WRITE THE CHECK UNTIL YOU COME BACK TO COUNCIL.

AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PRECEDENT.

AND THEN GREG, AND YOU DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN THIS NOW, BUT I'M UNCERTAIN ABOUT YOUR SECOND AND THIRD CATEGORIES.

UH, IF WE KNOW THAT WE WANTED TO, TO MOVE THE FORENSIC LAB, FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T KNOW HOW

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SO I JUST NEED GREATER CLARITY ABOUT THAT PERIOD OF TIME WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BE TRANSITIONING, BUT WE'RE STILL PAYING FOR THE OLD SYSTEM BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A NEW SYSTEM YET.

AND, AND, AND THAT PART I'M UNCLEAR THE MECHANICS AND THE LOGISTICS OF, OF SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GIVING US, UH, THAT SIX MONTH PERIOD, WE'RE UP TO SIX MONTH PERIOD, IT WOULD BE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THOSE LOGISTICS THAT WE KNOW WE WANT TO MAKE.

AND SOME OF THEM MAY BE, WE NEED TO, TO HEAR MORE, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

I, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME THINGS ON THE LIST THAT I REALLY WANT TO HEAR, UM, UH, PROS AND CONS ARGUMENTS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW IN YOUR MIND'S EYE, YOU SEE SOME OF THOSE LOGISTICS THINGS HAVE.

AND I WOULD, I WANT TO GIVE YOU MY SECOND SENSE OF, OF THAT, AND THEN WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTED IN WHERE PEOPLE STAND ON THESE ISSUES IF, IF THEY HAVE AN OPINION ALREADY.

UM, IN MY MIND MAYOR, THE, UH, THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE IN NUMBER TWO WOULD BE THINGS THAT, WHERE WE ALREADY FEEL, SORRY, I GOT DISTRACTED BY THE STICKER ON YOUR HAND, IN YOUR GRANDDAUGHTER PRINTER, UM, THE, UM, THE THINGS IN CATEGORY TWO WOULD BE THINGS SEPARATED WITH THAT.

WE ALREADY FEEL COMFORTABLE KNOWING THAT THEY SHOULD BE SEPARATED.

UM, NO, I THINK WE HAVE A CHOICE ABOUT WHETHER TO MOVE IT OUT OF THE BUDGET ONCE IT'S ALREADY SEPARATED OR MOVE IT OUT OF THE BUDGET OUT OF THE APD BUDGET, WHEN WE KNOW THAT IT SHOULD BE SEPARATE.

UM, NOW TO YOUR POINT, THERE MIGHT BE SOME THINGS WHERE YOU OR OTHERS MAY STILL WANT TO HEAR THE PROS AND CONS IN THAT CASE, I THINK AT BEST GOES INTO CATEGORY THREE AS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING TO REIMAGINE, BUT MIGHT NEED TO HAVE QUARTERLY REPORTS ON.

I, FOR ONE FEEL ALREADY VERY COMFORTABLE, UM, SAYING THAT INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND FORENSICS SHOULD BE SEPARATE.

THEY SHOULD BE SEPARATE AT SOME POINT IN THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR.

AND SO I FEEL, FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE HAVING THEM HAVE THEIR OWN SLICE OF THE BUDGET WITH THE UNDERSTANDING FROM THE MANAGER.

AND THAT MEANS GET IT DONE THIS FISCAL YEAR.

OF COURSE, LET US KNOW HOW IT'S GOING, LET US KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT.

BUT, BUT FOR ME, THOSE THINGS, I ALREADY JUST FEEL COMFORTABLE CAUSE I, I WE'VE DEBATED AND HEARD LOTS OF PROS AND CONS ON THOSE OVER TIME.

UM, BUT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO HEAR ME PROS AND CONS ON SOMETHING, AND AREN'T QUITE SURE EXACTLY WHERE, WHERE IT'S GONNA LAY ON THE MAC, I THINK GOES INTO THE THIRD CATEGORY.

IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

IT DOES.

I, I'M ALSO COMFORTABLE ON, ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS AND THE FORENSIC LAB, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY STUDIED.

UH, I DON'T THINK WE CAN JUST MAKE A DECISION ON THAT WITH THE PARTNERS.

I JUST DON'T KNOW.

HAVING MADE THAT DECISION, HOW YOU REFLECT THAT IN THE BUDGET.

ON THE PIE CHART, IT WOULD BE ITS OWN SLICE.

I WOULD SAY FORENSICS AND IT WOULD HAVE THE BUDGET AMOUNT.

UM, AND THEN THE UNDERSTANDING FOR THE MANAGER WOULD BE, GET IT DONE THIS YEAR.

IT'S NOT SAYING, GET IT DONE, UH, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN HERE AND OCTOBER ONE, BECAUSE IT'S A YEAR LONG PLANNING DOCUMENT IS THE WAY THAT I SEE IT.

SEE THAT I WOULDN'T BE INTERESTED IN WHAT OTHER FOLKS THOUGHT ABOUT IAA OR FORENSICS OR THAT KIND OF, UH, UH, PROCESS.

AS IT'S BEING USED FOR THE MOST PART NOW, BUT THERE'S THAT SECOND HALF OF DOLLARS.

QUICK FIRST QUESTION.

AND THEN I WILL EXPLAIN IT'S TO ME JUST GENERALLY WHAT SIMPLISTICALLY I WAS IMAGINING IN THIS SCENARIO.

SO FOR ED, WHEN WE APPROPRIATE, UH, BUT THE, BUT THE MONEY FOR THE BUDGET, DO WE, IS IT AS SPECIFIC AS ON MARCH OF 2022, THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY WILL BE ON MARCH 13TH OF 2022.

THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY WILL BE SPENT FOR THIS PURPOSE WITHIN DEPARTMENTS.

DO WE GET THAT SPECIFIC WHEN WE APPROPRIATE FUNDS, DO NOT GET THAT SPECIFIC? OKAY.

SO WHAT I, I, AND MAYBE THIS TUFTS ED, AND, AND AGAIN, I REALLY LIKED THIS CONVERSATION CAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S GETTING TO THE MEAT OF WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO HERE IN MY MIND IS VERY SIMPLISTIC.

THESE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE OFF, BUT 440 MILLION, RIGHT? IF WE SPLIT THAT INTO THERE'S 220 MILLION, 220 MILLION, THAT FIRST 220 MILLION, THE FIRST FOUR MONTHS, SIX MONTHS, WHATEVER IT IS IT'S GOING TO USE AS,

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AND THAT'S WHERE I FEEL LIKE WE MAKE THE COMMITMENT THAT WE'RE CHANGING THINGS.

WE USE THAT SECOND PART PART OF THAT SECOND, WHEN WE MAKE THE DECISION TO INVEST IN THE FAMILY VIOLENCE STUFF, THE FOOD ACCESS, WE USE THAT SECOND HALF TO FUND THOSE THINGS OCTOBER ONE IN A MONTH FROM NOW.

SO THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, HOW WE WERE DOING THIS.

WE'RE USING WHERE WE'RE, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL AGREE.

WE WERE NOT TRENT TRANSFORMATIVELY CHANGING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN TWO WEEKS FOR A BUDGET THAT STARTS ON OCTOBER 1ST, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE COMMITMENTS TO GET THERE.

AND I THINK TO THE MAYOR'S QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO AS QUESTION OF HOW DO YOU APPROPRIATE IN MY MIND, YOU APPROPRIATED THE SAME TECHNICALLY, UM, TO THE MAYOR'S QUESTION OF HOW YOU LOGISTICALLY WHAT HAPPENS ON OCTOBER ONE WITH, WITH FORENSICS, IT WOULD BE THE SAME ESSENTIALLY ON OCTOBER ONE, LOGISTICALLY THOSE WHAT IT IS THAT THOSE FEW DOLLARS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATE IN THE YEAR TO APD THAT WE START USING TO, TO FUND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS, ALL THOSE COMMUNITY DRIVEN THINGS.

AND SO THAT'S HOW I, AND WE, YOU KNOW, START RFPS OR WHATEVER IT IS OR FUNDING THE NONPROFIT THAT IS DOING THOSE COMMUNITIES.

THAT'S HOW I ENVISIONED THIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE OR HELPFUL, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

CAUSE REMEMBER POOL.

ALL OF THIS OR AN AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF THE PIECES.

I THINK THAT SOUNDS RIGHT.

CUSTOMER BARBARA MADISON, DID YOU HAVE A HAND UP? I GOT IT.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY NO, THAT THAT REALLY DOES HELP TO GET TO THE HEART OF, UM, WHAT IN ANY SORT OF HESITATION OR CONCERN THAT YOU MIGHT ADD.

AND I, I THINK JUST LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER, WE ARE CLOSER TO DIRECT ALIGNMENT THEN THAN YOU THINK.

AND SO I THINK BEING ABLE TO THAT'S HELPFUL AND WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO ARTICULATE THE AMENDMENTS, CAUSE IT'S, IT'S LIKE, IF IT WASN'T ENTIRELY CLEAR FOR YOU, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ENTIRELY CLEAR FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

SO I'LL MAKE CERTAIN TO BE AS EXPLICIT AND SPECIFIC IN LAYING OUT THE AMENDMENTS AS POSSIBLE.

SO THANK YOU FOR OFFERING ME THAT OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY HEAR WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE THERE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE KITCHEN I JUST WANT TO REPEAT.

SO I MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

I THINK EVERYBODY'S SAYING THIS.

SO IF WE MAKE A COMMITMENT TO FUND A PARTICULAR ITEM, UH, LIKE THE EMS, UH, USE THAT AS THE EXAMPLE, WE ARE MAKING THAT COMMITMENT NOW FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR, ASSUMING THAT'S SOMETHING WE ALL AGREED TO, WE'RE NOT SETTING IT ASIDE IN TRANSITION WHERE WE'RE MAKING THE COMMITMENT THAT THAT'S DONE IT OVER AND THAT IS GOING.

SO THAT, THAT THOSE PROGRAMS DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US IN THE MIDDLE OF EACH OF THE YEAR AND ASK FOR PERMISSION AGAIN, AM I RIGHT ABOUT THAT? OKAY.

AND MAYOR , IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, THAT THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT COMES OUT OF THE HALF THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

RIGHT.

I GUESS, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, AND NOT BECAUSE NONE OF, ALL OF, ALL OF THE FUNDING THAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED SO FAR THAT GETS REINVESTED BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY, PUBLIC SAFETY IMAGINATION, IMAGINARY CINEMA IS LESS THAN 220 MILLION.

SO I KNOW THESE ARE VERY BASIC, SIMPLISTIC WAYS.

I'M TRYING TO JUST TRY IT.

AND SO I FEEL LIKE THAT IS WE CAN FUND THOSE THINGS AND THAT PUTS THE, UM, WHAT'S IT CALLED THE, UH, JUST, JUST THE URGENCY THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE MONEY IN, IN THE SECOND HALF THAT, AND IT GIVES THE URGENCY SHOWS THAT WE'RE SERIOUS.

THESE THINGS ARE GONNA HAVE TO GET DONE.

WE KNOW IT CAN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT IN TWO WEEKS, BUT IT SHOWS THAT THERE'S URGENCY SO THAT MONEY.

SO THAT SECOND HALF MONEY THAT I KEEP REFERRING TO IS, HAS ALREADY BEEN COMMITTED TO SOMETHING ELSE.

AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET TO THE, I GUESS YOU GUYS, IF YOU GET TO THE SIX MONTHS AND, UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO, AS YOU'RE APPROACHING THAT DEADLINE AS, AS, AS OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE APPROACHING THAT DEADLINE, UM, WE'LL ABLE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, YOU KNOW, AS WE APPROACH IT, BUT IT SHOWS THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO A SECOND BUCKET THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED.

SO, SO WE, SO WE, SO WE KNOW WE CAN'T EVEN, WE CAN'T EVEN PRETEND THAT WE'RE GOING TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

IT'S BEEN ALLOCATED THE EMS. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FUNDED WITH THAT MONEY.

IF, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, OTHER COMMENTS, WE'RE DOWN TO OUR LAST 10 MINUTES, CAUSE NUMBER ALTERED.

SO I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M TOTALLY FOLLOWING

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I WANT TO KIND OF GO BACK AND WATCH IT AND MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, AND WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT IS THAT WE NEED SOME ADDITIONAL ACCOUNTABILITY MECHANISMS, UM, MOVING FORWARD.

AND SIMPLY THE FRAMEWORK THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR US TO HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE, UH, PROGRESS AND THAT THERE'S DEADLINES AND THERE'S THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE MET.

UM, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEARCHING FOR.

I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'VE LANDED THE PLANE ON THAT YET.

UM, AS TO WHERE WE'RE GOING.

UM, THERE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, AS DIFFICULT AS WE'VE FOUND IT TO BE, TO IDENTIFY WAYS TO CUT.

AND MOST OF WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED ARE MOVING THINGS OUT THAT WE THINK SHOULD BE BETTER HANDLED BY PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF APD.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN BE SPENDING HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY WITHOUT HAVING IDENTIFIED WHERE THOSE CUTS ARE GOING TO BE.

I THINK THAT, UM, WE SHOULD BE, UM, HAVING WILLING PARTNERS ON THE PART OF OUR STAFF AND OUR CITY MANAGER AND OUR POLICE CHIEF TO HELP US TO IDENTIFY PLACES WHERE WE CAN CUT AND WE CAN STOP DOING THINGS ALSO ALONG THE WAY SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THOSE INVESTMENTS.

I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT AS PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.

IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE LA, THEIR POLICE CHIEF HAS A A, AND I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS.

AND I DON'T, AND KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO HAVE A SAY OVER WHAT GETS CUT, BUT THEIR POLICE CHIEF HAS EMBRACED THIS PROCESS AND HAS PROVIDED DIRECTIONS AS I UNDERSTAND IT, TO EACH OF HIS DIVISIONS TO IDENTIFY CUTS, ET CETERA.

UM, AND THOSE DON'T HAVE TO BE HUGE CUTS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO GET SIGNIFICANT FUNDS, TO BEGIN MOVING FURTHER DOWN THE PATH TO, TO RE-IMAGINING SAFETY.

AND SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST NOT THERE YET ON THE PATH TO GET THAT ACCOUNTABILITY.

I AGREE WITH EVERYONE THAT WE NEED THE ACCOUNTABILITY.

UM, AND CERTAINLY A CHECK BACK IN SIX MONTHS IS FINE, UM, AND APPROPRIATE.

I'M NOT SURE THAT WE SHOULD BE SPENDING MONEY, THAT WE HAVEN'T YET CUT IN THE SECOND HALF, BUT I THINK THERE IS MONEY THAT WE CAN SPEND THAT WE HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED.

UM, BUT AS IN ANY BUDGET, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO DO.

IT'S JUST THE WAY THE BUDGETS WORK, UNLESS WE IDENTIFY OTHER OTHER OTHER CUTS.

AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN A CONCERTED EFFORT TO FIND WHAT WE CAN AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

UM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN SPEND MONEY UNLESS WE IDENTIFY THE CUTS, BUT WE CAN COME UP WITH BETTER ACCOUNTABILITY MECHANISMS. AND I WOULD JUST, I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED TO KICK THE, CAN DOWN THE ROAD WITH DIFFERENT RESOLUTIONS AND INITIATIVES THAT THE MAYOR PRETEND ARTICULATED.

UM, I FEEL THAT THIS, THIS ONE, THIS, THIS TIME WE ARE BETTER POSITIONED TO NOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE WE HAVE FORMED A COMMITTEE WHO IS COMMITTED TO KEEPING OUR EYE ON THAT BALL.

AND, UM, THERE WILL CERTAINLY BE A HEIGHTENED LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY WHEN, WHEN THAT STRUCTURE IS IN PLACE.

AND I THINK IF WE ARE CLEAR IN THE WRITERS AND THE DIRECTION NEXT WEEK, THAT WE WANT STAFF PUTTING BUDGET AMENDMENTS ON FUTURE AGENDAS, THEN WE'LL ALSO BE TELEGRAPHING TO THE COMMUNITY HERE.

HERE'S YOUR NEXT TIME TO, TO SPEAK.

CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ONLY GIVE YOU TWO WEEKS OF WARNING.

WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THREE MONTHS OF WARNING.

THIS IS GOING TO BE THE TIME WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO THE PUBLIC.

AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE MANAGER TO SAVE THE PUBLIC AND THE CHIEF, WHICHEVER CHIEF WE HAVE TO SAY TO THE PUBLIC, THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE DID IN THREE MONTHS.

AND WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

AND HERE'S WHAT WE DID THE NEXT THREE MONTHS.

AND WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S A BETTER, IT GIVES ME MORE HOPE THAN I THINK I'VE HAD WITH MAJOR INITIATIVES THAT HAVE FAILED TO LAUNCH IN THE PAST CHIEF RODRIGUEZ.

YOU PUT YOUR HAND UP IN THE, IN THE MEETING.

AND SO I BROUGHT YOU IN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT.

I JUMPED ON THE CALL BECAUSE I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY THAT IS IN THIS DISCUSSION, AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE HEARING ALL OF THESE AMENDMENTS AND ALL OF THE POSITIVE SUPPORT FOR EMS. WE CERTAINLY NEED IT.

UH, OUR DEPARTMENT IS DESPERATE FOR THE RESOURCES THAT WE NEED.

UM, WE REALLY ARE WHERE PUBLIC SAFETY MEETS COMMUNITY HEALTH, WHERE WE MEET HEALTHCARE.

AND, UH, WE ARE A FORCE MULTIPLIER FOR EQUITY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

I THINK WE'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE IN OUR MISSION STATEMENT THAT WE CARE FOR ANYONE ANYTIME, ANY PLACE IT'S THAT LITERAL FOR US.

UH, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY THANKS TO ALL OF THE MEN AND WOMEN OF AUSTIN, TRAVIS COUNTY EMS, AND FOR EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, UH, RIGHT NOW THEY ARE THE FRONTLINE FOR THE COVID PANDEMIC.

AND AS YOU KNOW, IT'S GETTING HOT OUTSIDE 90 TO A HUNDRED PLUS DEGREES EVERY DAY AND DONNING PPE

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TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AS A HUGE, UH, A HUGE, UH, UH, LOAD FOR THEM IN TERMS OF PHYSICAL CHALLENGE, UH, THEY FOR AVOIDING TAKING IT HOME.

UH, SO, UH, IT IS NICE TO HEAR THAT THAT WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO.

AND I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT IN PUBLIC AND THANK YOU AND TO THANK THEM FOR EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING.

I REALIZED YOU HAVE VERY DIFFICULT DECISIONS TO MAKE.

I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO TRY TO LEAN YOU IN ANY PARTICULAR DIRECTION.

UH, WE KNOW THAT YOU SUPPORT US AND THAT'S WHAT MATTERS TO US.

UM, IN REGARD TO TIMING, UH, AS WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS AND EVERYTHING THAT POTENTIALLY COULD AFFECT OUR DEPARTMENT, UM, I'VE ASKED OUR TEAM TO GO BACK AND LOOK TO SEE HOW WE CAN OPTIMIZE IMPLEMENTATION OF, OF ALL THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.

SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT HOW WE MIGHT BETTER ALIGN OUR STAFFING EQUIPMENT OR TECHNOLOGICAL NEEDS, BACKFILL HIRING TRAINING, AND ALL THOSE PIECES, UH, THAT, THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

UH, SO, UH, I THINK THEY MAY ALREADY BE IN CONTACT WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ALTAR, UH, YOUR OFFICE TO TALK ABOUT TIMING ON SOME OF THAT.

UH, WE'RE NOT ASSUMING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET ANYTHING, UH, BUT WE DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT REALISTICALLY WHAT SOME OF OUR CHALLENGES ARE IF WE GET ANYTHING.

SO, UH, THAT, THAT BEING THE CASE, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO DO IS JUST SAY, THANK YOU HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE YOU.

AND MOSTLY, UH, TAKE A MOMENT IN PUBLIC TO THANK MY PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING HARD AND DOING A GOOD JOB.

THEY'RE MAKING A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THAT'S ALL I WANTED.

SO THANK YOU.

WELL, THANK YOU, CHIEF.

UM, I PROMISE MY COLLEAGUES.

I DID NOT ASK CHIEF TO DO THAT, BUT THAT IS A HELL OF A STOPPING POINT.

UH, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE SOME GOOD WORK TODAY.

UH, I'LL RAISE, I'LL RECOGNIZE FOLKS TO SPEAK.

UM, UH, WE'VE DONE SOME GOOD WORK TODAY.

I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S NOT THE POINT WHERE WE GOT TO PUT PEN TO PAPER, UM, SO THAT WE HAVE THINGS WE CAN USE THE NORMAL PROCESS AND SUBMIT LANGUAGE AND AMENDMENTS AND THINGS AS WE GET INTO BUDGET ADOPTION NEXT WEEK.

UM, SO I, I FEEL, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE REALLY MADE SOME GOOD PROGRESS IN THERE.

PRETEND YOU, YOU SAID IT, I FEEL LIKE THIS WAS A VERY SUBSTANTIVE CONVERSATION TO, TO AIR OUT PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS.

UH, COUNCILMEMBER HARPER, MADISON FOR, FOR PUSHING US TO A MORE DEEPER CONVERSATION HERE AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

I MEAN, ANY FINAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE CLOSE UP COUNCIL MEMBER KITCHEN.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND NEXT STEPS.

SO, UM, AND YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, UM, WHAT WE HAVE, AND I'M JUST GETTING SPECIFIC.

SO WE'LL HAVE A PACKET OF AMENDMENTS AND ARE YOU DOING A LIST LIKE YOU DID LAST TIME AND THEN PART OF THIS MAY BE FOR THE MAYOR ON, ON, UM, ON WHAT THE PROCESS IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH FOR OUR VOTING.

OH, JUST CAN YOU MAKE, IF YOU'RE NOT SURE NOW YOU CAN POST ON THE MESSAGE BOARD.

I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND SPECIFICALLY, UM, HOW WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE AMENDMENTS AND WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE THAT IN YEARS PAST SO THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND UPFRONT, UH, THE, THE WAY THAT THE CONVERSATION GOING TO GO.

SO FIRST QUESTION FOR AD, ARE YOU PUTTING TOGETHER A PACKET AND A SPREADSHEET? IS THAT HOW THAT'S WORKING? YES, WE ARE.

UM, WE HAVE PUT OUT AND WE SENT TO YOU ALL A STANDARD FORM FOR YOUR BUDGET AMENDMENTS AND WE'D LIKE YOU TO USE SO WE CAN GET ALL THE INFORMATION FROM YOUR DIFFERENT IDEAS, LIKE A STANDARDIZED STARTING POINT, A BUDGET ADOPTION PROCESS NEXT WEEK.

AND MY STAFF STANDS BY IN THE EVENINGS AND THROUGH THE WEEKEND THAT HELPED YOU GET FROM WHERE WE ARE NOW TO GETTING THOSE AMENDMENT FORM DOWN.

WE'VE ALREADY SEEN A NUMBER OF THEM BEING POSTED TO THE MESSAGE BOARD, BUT BETWEEN NOW AND SAY, NEXT MONDAY, WE NEED TO GET ALL OF THESE THINGS POSTED SO WE CAN COMPILE A PACKET OF INFORMATION FOR EVERYBODY TO WORK OFF OF.

AND SO DOES THAT MEAN IN YEARS PAST, YOU'VE DONE A RUNNING TOTAL AND THIS IS MORE COMPLICATED COMPLEX THIS TIME, OF COURSE, BUT IN YEARS PAST YOU'VE DONE A RUNNING TOTAL FOR US SO THAT WE KNEW WHEN WE WERE, WHEN WE WERE VOTING FOR THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO INVEST IN, WE KNEW WHAT THAT TOTAL TOO.

AND THEN WE'RE VOTING ON THE THINGS THAT WE WERE READY TO CUT.

WE KNEW WHAT THAT TOTAL TOO.

AND, UM, AND SO WILL YOU BE DOING THAT FOR US TOO? YES.

MA'AM, WE'LL BE KEEPING TRACK OF EVERYTHING AND KEEPING YOU APPRISED OF WHERE YOU ARE RELATIVE BALANCE.

PERSON RECOGNIZED OR THE LAST PERSON RECOGNIZED IN TERMS OF GETTING SOMETHING ON.

AND THEN MAYOR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW YET HOW YOU ARE THINKING TO MANAGE THAT MEETING.

IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN TELL US NOW, OR YOU'RE JUST GOING TO PUT ON A MESSAGE BOARD OR SO I THINK I'M THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

IT'S FAIR TO HAVE SOMETHING WE HAVE IN PAST YEARS KIND OF OUTLINE THAT IN ADVANCE.

I THINK THE BROAD PRINCIPLES WOULD BE THAT ADDED THE SAME.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS ALL OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THAT THERE WON'T BE A BENEFIT OF YOU'RE THE FIRST

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UH, SO, SO THAT EVERYBODY WOULD BE ABLE TO DISCUSS ALL OF THE THINGS THAT GO ON AND THAT IS ITERATIVE AND CAN MOVE.

UH, BUT, BUT SO THAT THERE'S NOT A, A RACE TO SEE WHO GETS RECOGNIZED FIRST BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T ADVANTAGE ANYBODY AND TRYING TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE SAVINGS ARE SEPARATED FROM THE SPENDING.

UH, SO THAT IF, IF A MAJORITY OF IS GOING TO CUT SAVINGS, WE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT NECESSARILY TYING IT TO SOMETHING ELSE.

UM, BUT THE, THE SAME GENERAL PRINCIPLES THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING UNDER FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, BUT WE'LL POST SOMETHING ONTO THE BOARD.

THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER POOL REAL QUICK UPDATE.

I HAD ASKED STAFF HOW MANY CIVILIANS WERE IN SPECIAL EVENTS AND I GOT A RESPONSE BACK FROM CHIEF K THAT, SO DO THE WORKLOAD IN SPECIAL EVENTS, EMERGED EMERGENCY PLANNING WITH SPECIAL EVENTS FOR MORE EFFICIENCIES.

THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CIVILIANS IS THREE FTES.

AND WE'LL BE PUTTING THAT INTO THE ONE PAGER AND THE AMENDMENT THEY PROTEST.

IS THIS OUR LAST PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING BEFORE BUDGET APPROVAL? THAT'S CORRECT.

WELL, WE HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETINGS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING BUDGET TO DIG INTO MENTAL HEALTH RISK, FIRST RESPONSE.

AND WE'RE WORKING ON A COMMITTEE MEETING TO TALK ABOUT HOMELESSNESS INITIATIVE AND OF COURSE OUR ONGOING OVERSIGHT OF BUDGET IMPLEMENTATION THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO.